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Serious question

I saw that cam newton averaged one of the least passing yards in the whole second half of the season ( I think it was like 3 rd worst but can't confirm ) do you guys think it was the defenses kind of caught on and could lead to sophmore slump ?

Imo I don't think it will as he will step it up from rookie season but what do u guys think
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
The Panthers still have plenty of years to add offensive talent around Newton. The Bengals were able to add talent for Dalton because their overall roster was much better, whereas the Panthers seriously needed to address their defense last year to become competitive. Look for Carolina to go after a top weapon (WR or TE) in next year's free agency and early/often in the 2013 draft.

This...plus I believe a lot of top WRs will want to go play with Cam - so I fully expect Panthers to add some quality Wrs if Cam continues to develop. Cam has won at every level...so I expect him to continue to get better. I like Dalton, and he has potential to be a good QB as well - but I doubt WRs will be clamoring to play with Dalton.
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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I stand by my opinion that his production in his first year is a bit misleading by Steve Smith's arguably best year. I think Dalton in the long run has a better skill set for a winning QB and has better young talent around him. Dalton's main obstacle is Baltimore and Pittsbrugh....

My point about surrounding a QB with talent is that the Bengals offense has a much brighter future then then Carolina's.

Who is the young talent they are pairing with Cam Newton??? Steve Smith is 33 and is Cam's only weapon. DeAngelo is 29 and they just handed him a bloated contract when he is about to hit the RB age wall. They brought in Louis Murphy who is a toss away from the Raiders. Joe Adams could be a future weapon, but from what I've seen of Joe Adams in college is that his hands will need a lot of work. Jonathan Stewart is on the last year of his contract and at 25 years old, he would be smart to leave and get paid.

I don't agree Dalton has better skill set to win...but yes, he has a better team and may win more games early on. Panthers will get their playmakers. It takes time. As the video I posted clearly showed - Cam made a lot of accurate throws...and though Steve Smith is a great WR and made some terrific catches - Cam was more than amazing last season. He is just a rookie...he works extremely hard and will only get better in years to come.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
I don't agree Dalton has better skill set to win...but yes, he has a better team and may win more games early on. Panthers will get their playmakers. It takes time. As the video I posted clearly showed - Cam made a lot of accurate throws...and though Steve Smith is a great WR and made some terrific catches - Cam was more than amazing last season. He is just a rookie...he works extremely hard and will only get better in years to come.

I'm glad you have insight into who NFL WR's want to play for
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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
I don't agree Dalton has better skill set to win...but yes, he has a better team and may win more games early on. Panthers will get their playmakers. It takes time. As the video I posted clearly showed - Cam made a lot of accurate throws...and though Steve Smith is a great WR and made some terrific catches - Cam was more than amazing last season. He is just a rookie...he works extremely hard and will only get better in years to come.

I'm glad you have insight into who NFL WR's want to play for

Nope, but I do have access to ESPN where this has been reiterated many times by insiders when talking about the Panthers. Also, WRs want to play with a gunslinger who can single handedly win games. This is nothing new...
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Somewhere in this thread I claimed that Cam Newton will be a black Tim Tebow

Cam, I'm sorry.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
I don't agree Dalton has better skill set to win...but yes, he has a better team and may win more games early on. Panthers will get their playmakers. It takes time. As the video I posted clearly showed - Cam made a lot of accurate throws...and though Steve Smith is a great WR and made some terrific catches - Cam was more than amazing last season. He is just a rookie...he works extremely hard and will only get better in years to come.

I'm glad you have insight into who NFL WR's want to play for

Nope, but I do have access to ESPN where this has been reiterated many times by insiders when talking about the Panthers. Also, WRs want to play with a gunslinger who can single handedly win games. This is nothing new...

Free Agency... The Draft... The Panthers will surround Cam with talent once the time is right.

Cam >>> Dalton

Dual threat QBs are lethal and Cam is leading the new wave.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
I don't agree Dalton has better skill set to win...but yes, he has a better team and may win more games early on. Panthers will get their playmakers. It takes time. As the video I posted clearly showed - Cam made a lot of accurate throws...and though Steve Smith is a great WR and made some terrific catches - Cam was more than amazing last season. He is just a rookie...he works extremely hard and will only get better in years to come.

I'm glad you have insight into who NFL WR's want to play for

Nope, but I do have access to ESPN where this has been reiterated many times by insiders when talking about the Panthers. Also, WRs want to play with a gunslinger who can single handedly win games. This is nothing new...

I dont see why NFL players wouldn't want to play for Cam, especially after the season Steve Smith had with him compared to the season before.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
You knocked Cam down because he has Steve Smith and then you said no matter how great a QB you have, you need to surround him with talent. Of course Steve Smith made some amazing plays - he is a super talented WR. More often than not Cam put the ball on the money and made some amazing throws and made Steve Smith look good too. It goes hand in hand...



Most of the those balls are on the money. Often Steve Smith is able to catch the ball in stride over the middle and make moves to get more yards. There are some throws on the back shoulder, which few WRs can make - but a QB must know what kind of catches his WRs can make and throwing behind the WR is now a weapon top QBs use when they have WRs with sure hands. Of course, Steve Smith made a few catches that were flat out amazing...but Cam threw far more amazing passes that lead Steve Smith perfectly to the ball.


Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
The Panthers still have plenty of years to add offensive talent around Newton. The Bengals were able to add talent for Dalton because their overall roster was much better, whereas the Panthers seriously needed to address their defense last year to become competitive. Look for Carolina to go after a top weapon (WR or TE) in next year's free agency and early/often in the 2013 draft.




Andy Dalton QB rating this year: 105 (#4 in the league)

Cam Newton QB rating this year: 78.3 (#23 in the league)

Edit: Also @YoungAce for saying Cam is better than Dalton


And as far as which fell into the better position:
players on Cincy before Dalton came: WR Brandon Tate, TE Jermaine Gresham, LT Whitworth, C Faine, RT Smith
players on Carolina before Newton came: WR Steve Smith, WR LaFell, TE Greg Olson, LT Gross, C Kalil, RG Hangartner, RB DeAngelo Williams, RB Jonathan Stewart

Pro-Bowlers in bold
[ Edited by SunDevilNiner79 on Sep 26, 2012 at 3:12 PM ]
Carolina down went way to far with the option s**t. They stunting his growth as a passing qb. And Cam needs to stop crying like Smith sad and play ball. He throws one int and doens't appear to just forget about and move on to the next play. Then he makes another mistake and just loses himself. That's maturity. Right now Cincy clearly has more talent on offense. The panther o line has regressed and Deangelo Williams isn't too much better then Ben Jarvis. Cam needs to step it up either way. And you can't take away from Dalton he's making the throws and plays that need to be made.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Carolina down went way to far with the option s**t. They stunting his growth as a passing qb. And Cam needs to stop crying like Smith sad and play ball. He throws one int and doens't appear to just forget about and move on to the next play. Then he makes another mistake and just loses himself. That's maturity. Right now Cincy clearly has more talent on offense. The panther o line has regressed and Deangelo Williams isn't too much better then Ben Jarvis. Cam needs to step it up either way. And you can't take away from Dalton he's making the throws and plays that need to be made.

I agree. My point was Cam Newton needs to be groomed and trained to be an efficient pocket passer. But instead they are trying to turn him into an option-running gun slinger which IMO is an awful move.

Additionally, their GM is screwing up the team with what he is spending on the backfield. They just locked up $90 million on their RBs for the next 4 years, thats about a 20 million dollar cap hit just on their RBs each year for the next 4 years Thats about 1/6 of their entire cap space.....And some people think all these top NFL WRs are going to beg to take a pay cut to play with Cam, lol.

And this is on top of Carolina already having salary cap issues:

"Carolina already was looking at salary-cap trouble in future seasons. With Stewart's deal, the Panthers now have $134 million committed toward the 2013 salary cap. "
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/37769/breaking-down-jonathan-stewarts-deal

But nooooo, some people think Cam is a magical wizard who is going to dominate the NFL regardless.

A comparison is the 49ers have about a $10million dollar cap hit for their RB position.

Edit: Another line from the same article:
"Heck, the Panthers already have $110 million committed toward the 2015 cap and that's with only 18 players already under contract for that year."

The cap this year is about $120 million....
[ Edited by SunDevilNiner79 on Sep 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM ]
Originally posted by ImaMod:
Somewhere in this thread I claimed that Cam Newton will be a black Tim Tebow

Cam, I'm sorry.



Cam newton getting exposed.

He just doesn't look comfortable in a 3 step drop.
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his presser after the game was a fail once again, dropped this line to start

"I cant speak for the offense I can only speak for myself"

Way to take ownership Scam
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