Brady wins Comeback player of the year

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.

No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.

All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?

Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.

Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:


Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.

This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.

Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.

Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.

You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.

Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.

Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.

Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.

Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).

Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.

So please, keep replying.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.

No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.

All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?

Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.

Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:


Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.

This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.

Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.

Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.

It's clear you're a Longhorns homer, so this conversation isn't going anywhere.

You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.

Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.

Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.

Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.

Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).

Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.

So please, keep replying.

This has nothing to do with homerism (I'm a ND fan not a Horns fan). Tom Brady was an all pro pre-injury, VY was considered a bust coming into this season. Brady had Moss and Welker, VY had Gage, Washington & Britt. Someone mentioned self inflicted wounds, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with a guy who was labeled a bust and no one on this site wanted us to trade for him.

VY went 8-2 coming off the bench, Brady in that same time frame went 5-4.

Frank Gore, Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James are just a few players who have come back from ACL tears to have great seasons and or continue to post great numbers.

Also 3 of Brady's lineman made the 2007 all pro team (one 1st teamer two 2nd teamers)

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.

No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.

All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?

Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.

Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:


Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.

This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.

Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.

Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.

It's clear you're a Longhorns homer, so this conversation isn't going anywhere.

You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.

Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.

Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.

Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.

Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).

Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.

So please, keep replying.

This has nothing to do with homerism (I'm a ND fan not a Horns fan). Tom Brady was an all pro pre-injury, VY was considered a bust coming into this season. Brady had Moss and Welker, VY had Gage, Washington & Britt. Someone mentioned self inflicted wounds, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with a guy who was labeled a bust and no one on this site wanted us to trade for him.

VY went 8-2 coming off the bench, Brady in that same time frame went 5-4.

Frank Gore, Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James are just a few players who have come back from ACL tears to have great seasons and or continue to post great numbers.

Also 3 of Brady's lineman made the 2007 all pro team (one 1st teamer two 2nd teamers)

To break it down, Tom Brady is really a mediocre QB who's had the luxury of good linemen, consecutive Superbowl-caliber defenses, and clutch-kicking talent on the sidelines. -They've made a big deal about this dude's career, but he has yet to lead an 'epic' comeback to even regard the 'Joe Montana' similarities the jerk-off press seems to love throwing around.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.

No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.

All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?

Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.

Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:


Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.

This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.

Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.

Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.

It's clear you're a Longhorns homer, so this conversation isn't going anywhere.

You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.

Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.

Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.

Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.

Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).

Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.

So please, keep replying.

This has nothing to do with homerism (I'm a ND fan not a Horns fan). Tom Brady was an all pro pre-injury, VY was considered a bust coming into this season. Brady had Moss and Welker, VY had Gage, Washington & Britt. Someone mentioned self inflicted wounds, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with a guy who was labeled a bust and no one on this site wanted us to trade for him.

VY went 8-2 coming off the bench, Brady in that same time frame went 5-4.

Frank Gore, Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James are just a few players who have come back from ACL tears to have great seasons and or continue to post great numbers.

Also 3 of Brady's lineman made the 2007 all pro team (one 1st teamer two 2nd teamers)

To break it down, Tom Brady is really a mediocre QB who's had the luxury of good linemen, consecutive Superbowl-caliber defenses, and clutch-kicking talent on the sidelines. -They've made a big deal about this dude's career, but he has yet to lead an 'epic' comeback to even regard the 'Joe Montana' similarities the jerk-off press seems to love throwing around.

wow

Originally posted by luv49rs:
ugh, people love brady's nuts don't they

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.

No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.

All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?

Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.

Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:


Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.

This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.

Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.

Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.

It's clear you're a Longhorns homer, so this conversation isn't going anywhere.

You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.

Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.

Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.

Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.

Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).

Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.

So please, keep replying.

This has nothing to do with homerism (I'm a ND fan not a Horns fan). Tom Brady was an all pro pre-injury, VY was considered a bust coming into this season. Brady had Moss and Welker, VY had Gage, Washington & Britt. Someone mentioned self inflicted wounds, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with a guy who was labeled a bust and no one on this site wanted us to trade for him.

VY went 8-2 coming off the bench, Brady in that same time frame went 5-4.

Frank Gore, Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James are just a few players who have come back from ACL tears to have great seasons and or continue to post great numbers.

Also 3 of Brady's lineman made the 2007 all pro team (one 1st teamer two 2nd teamers)

To break it down, Tom Brady is really a mediocre QB who's had the luxury of good linemen, consecutive Superbowl-caliber defenses, and clutch-kicking talent on the sidelines. -They've made a big deal about this dude's career, but he has yet to lead an 'epic' comeback to even regard the 'Joe Montana' similarities the jerk-off press seems to love throwing around.

I never said that nor is that a point I am trying to make. Brady is a very very very good QB, certainly deserving of a bust in Canton.

I don't think coming back from injuries should count. To me, comeback means a player who was doing well, then just couldn't find "it" anymore and comes back and does it again. Kurt Warner 2 years ago comes to mind, so does Vince Young.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think coming back from injuries should count. To me, comeback means a player who was doing well, then just couldn't find "it" anymore and comes back and does it again. Kurt Warner 2 years ago comes to mind, so does Vince Young.

I guess former 49ers Garrison Hearst, Bryant Young and Joe Montana wouldn't have won under your provisions then. Good thing you're just a fan.

Originally posted by Overkill:
Too bad Benson didn't stay healthy.

you have to comeback from something.

Benson was pretty much horrible before this season. he was ok last year, but this award is for guys like Ricky Williams, who used to be elite, ended up falling from that status, but then coming back strong in an unlikely fashion.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think coming back from injuries should count. To me, comeback means a player who was doing well, then just couldn't find "it" anymore and comes back and does it again. Kurt Warner 2 years ago comes to mind, so does Vince Young.

I guess former 49ers Garrison Hearst, Bryant Young and Joe Montana wouldn't have won under your provisions then. Good thing you're just a fan.

Yeah it must be fantastic to come back to playing exactly how you were before you left got injured. If that is the reason for the reward, then what about average players who get injured and comeback to playing average.

Comeback award should be an award where you are playing well and while still playing, you don't do as well anymore, figure things out and come back playing well again.

Practically every player in the league comes back from an injury.

Originally posted by KRS-1:
This has nothing to do with homerism (I'm a ND fan not a Horns fan). Tom Brady was an all pro pre-injury, VY was considered a bust coming into this season. Brady had Moss and Welker, VY had Gage, Washington & Britt. Someone mentioned self inflicted wounds, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with a guy who was labeled a bust and no one on this site wanted us to trade for him.

VY went 8-2 coming off the bench, Brady in that same time frame went 5-4.

Frank Gore, Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James are just a few players who have come back from ACL tears to have great seasons and or continue to post great numbers.

Also 3 of Brady's lineman made the 2007 all pro team (one 1st teamer two 2nd teamers)

Who labeled Vince Young a bust? Jeff Fisher? Bud Adams? You?

It seems to me that Vince Young was benched due to poor play. Calling a 25 year old former third overall pick a bust seems premature. Also, since when did irrelevant labels become precursors to winning awards?

The Titans began winning not because Vince Young played outstanding, but because Chris Johnson started getting 20+ touches a game. When the Titans' season was hanging in the balance on National Television against the Chargers at home, Young choked.

I'd also argue that both Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards haven't been the same since their injuries (neither have amassed 1,000 receiving / rushing since).

I get all of the hate on this board when it comes to Brady. His historical output is a threat to the old guard 49ers. I guess I'm just amazed that fans can't put away their homerism for reasonable debate.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Overkill:
Too bad Benson didn't stay healthy.

you have to comeback from something.

Benson was pretty much horrible before this season. he was ok last year, but this award is for guys like Ricky Williams, who used to be elite, ended up falling from that status, but then coming back strong in an unlikely fashion.

This is why I don't feel coming back from an injury holds any merit. Almost every player in the league come back from injuries to playing like how they used to.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think coming back from injuries should count. To me, comeback means a player who was doing well, then just couldn't find "it" anymore and comes back and does it again. Kurt Warner 2 years ago comes to mind, so does Vince Young.

I guess former 49ers Garrison Hearst, Bryant Young and Joe Montana wouldn't have won under your provisions then. Good thing you're just a fan.

Yeah it must be fantastic to come back to playing exactly how you were before you left got injured. If that is the reason for the reward, then what about average players who get injured and comeback to playing average.

Comeback award should be an award where you are playing well and while still playing, you don't do as well anymore, figure things out and come back playing well again.

Practically every player in the league comes back from an injury.

That's totally not true. A number of players can't come back from long term injuries.

The NFL defines the award as follows:

Quote:
The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance.

Let's do an experiment: Go take a pair of scissors and dig them into the tendons behind your knee. Then, rehab the injury and see if you can retain the same physical abilities you once possessed (even if physical meant getting up off the couch to get a beer). It's not as easy as you make it out to be.

[ Edited by redrathman on Jan 6, 2010 at 15:55:06 ]

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think coming back from injuries should count. To me, comeback means a player who was doing well, then just couldn't find "it" anymore and comes back and does it again. Kurt Warner 2 years ago comes to mind, so does Vince Young.

I guess former 49ers Garrison Hearst, Bryant Young and Joe Montana wouldn't have won under your provisions then. Good thing you're just a fan.

Yeah it must be fantastic to come back to playing exactly how you were before you left got injured. If that is the reason for the reward, then what about average players who get injured and comeback to playing average.

Comeback award should be an award where you are playing well and while still playing, you don't do as well anymore, figure things out and come back playing well again.

Practically every player in the league comes back from an injury.

That's totally not true. A number of players can't come back from long term injury and still find success.

The NFL defines the award as follows:

Quote:
The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance.

Let's do an experiment: Go take a pair of scissors and dig them into the tendons behind your knee. Then, rehab the injury and see if you can retain the same physical abilities you once possessed (even if physical meant getting up off the couch to get a beer). It's not as easy as you make it out to be.

This isn't the 70's where an MCL tear ends your career. I said MOST players come back to where they were from almost every injury, MOST.

I just don't think injuries should be in that definition as that counts a lot of players who come back from injury playing as good, average, or bad as they did before they got hurt.

i think people miss the point of "comeback player of the year"

brady tearing his knee up, then recovering and playing well again isnt really a "comeback", because if he didnt play this year and do what he did, it would be considered a major career changing injury.

comeback is for guys who were somebody good before, spend at least 2+ seasons imo down and out, and then had to rise back up and become their old self. brady never lost it and had to regain it. he was just forced to take a year off.

if its injury related setbacks that halt your elite player, it should be for at least 2 seasons before you can be considered a "comeback" player.