Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by redrathman:Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by redrathman:
Also, most of you were wrong.
No, the AP got it wrong. Brady had a decent year, but all he had to do was stay healthy. Cassell had similar numbers and a better record with the same cast. If anything Cadillac was most deserving after destroying his knees twice and just playing the whole season. Finished up strong too.
All he had to do was stay healthy? Like he wasn't coming off ACL / MCL surgery that caused 10 months of inactivity?
Quarterbacks such as Daunte Culpepper and Brian Griese never fully recovered from the same injury.
Cadillac Williams? Seriously? The guy had 821 yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. He might have been playing for the lowly Buccaneers, but his performance this season surely isn't as impressive as Brady's. Williams clearly deserved second place.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Brady is consistently a pro-bowler, not someone who should even be considered from this award. VY completely turned the Titans around and they would still have been playing like s**t if he hadn't woken up and usurped Collins. Even Cadillac Williams who destroyed both of his knees was more deserving than Brady.
This award isn't about a player turning a team around. It's about a player overcoming obstacles from the previous season to succeed through personal performance. It doesn't matter that Brady is a former MVP. He sat out nearly all of 2008 with an injury that some Quarterbacks never come out of.
Of the 50 votes, Young got just seven. I guess you had better start filling out that résumé, what with all those sports writers jobs you're qualified to apply for.
Player come back from ACl/MCLs every year. The guys you mentioned weren't any good to begin with. Hell Rice did it in the same year. You can say Caddy only had 800 yards but he did it on a terrible team while sharing the load. His injuries were far more devastating and he plays a far more difficult position to come back like that from. Brady has an all pro line and Wrs. He did OK, but what Caddy did was more fitting for the award.
You know absolutely nothing about ACL / MCL injuries or football for that matter.
Brian Griese was on his way to an excellent 2004 season, passing for 2632 through eleven games (that's 3828 yards over 16 games) before his injury. Griese struggled during the remaining seasons of his career before retiring at 33.
Daunte Culpepper not good? He led the league in passing yardage in 2005 with 4,717. He broke the NFL record for combined yardage with 5,123 that same year. Look him up sometime, kid. Like Griese, Culpepper has struggled following his injury.
Jerry Rice came back after three months despite warnings from doctors. He went on to crack his patella in his left kneecap during his comeback game. The team indicated that Rice's knee wasn't fully healed from the surgery. Many would argue (and the statistics back this) that Rice wasn't the same player after those two injuries.
Williams' second torn patellar tendon in his left knee wasn't nearly as damaging as his injury in 2007. I don't see how an injury that takes six to eight weeks to rehab is any more severe than a injury that took nearly ten months (including an infection).
Since when did the Patriots have All Pro Offensive Linemen and Wide Receivers? Welker was a second team All Pro, while none of the Patriots' Offensive Linemen were selected to the 2008 All Pro team.
So please, keep replying.
[ Edited by redrathman on Jan 6, 2010 at 14:12:19 ]