Nate Davis thread

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

This is agreed upon not by delusional fans, but by the coaching staff and professional sports writers.

In Alex Smith we have a known quantity and the fans have seen 2 decades of great QB play to recognize a subpar bum when they see one.

What's delusional is expecting Alex Smith to be something he isn't if you give him more time and more talented supporting cast.

I don't understand what he has shown for anyone to believe that he'll be an elite QB let alone a midlevel QB.

Honestly, let's not compare him to the Hall of Famers, let's compare him to the journeymen QBs that have had a few good years but flamed out.

His career doesn't even compare to Brad Johnson's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB win), Jeff Garcia's (3 Pro Bowls 3 playoff appearances), Jim Everett's (1 Pro Bowl 2 playoff appearances), Chris Chandler's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB Loss), Jim Harbaugh's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), Stan Humphries '(1 SB Loss), Pete Wilson's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), and numerous other NFL QB journeymen.

No what's delusional is sticking with Alex Smith and expecting the team to be a legit contender.

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

This is agreed upon not by delusional fans, but by the coaching staff and professional sports writers.

In Alex Smith we have a known quantity and the fans have seen 2 decades of great QB play to recognize a subpar bum when they see one.

What's delusional is expecting Alex Smith to be something he isn't if you give him more time and more talented supporting cast.

I don't understand what he has shown for anyone to believe that he'll be an elite QB let alone a midlevel QB.

Honestly, let's not compare him to the Hall of Famers, let's compare him to the journeymen QBs that have had a few good years but flamed out.

His career doesn't even compare to Brad Johnson's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB win), Jeff Garcia's (3 Pro Bowls 3 playoff appearances), Jim Everett's (1 Pro Bowl 2 playoff appearances), Chris Chandler's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB Loss), Jim Harbaugh's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), Stan Humphries '(1 SB Loss), Pete Wilson's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), and numerous other NFL QB journeymen.

No what's delusional is sticking with Alex Smith and expecting the team to be a legit contender.

Man you said a mouthful.

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

has alex smith even shown those skills in preseason?

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

This is agreed upon not by delusional fans, but by the coaching staff and professional sports writers.

In Alex Smith we have a known quantity and the fans have seen 2 decades of great QB play to recognize a subpar bum when they see one.

What's delusional is expecting Alex Smith to be something he isn't if you give him more time and more talented supporting cast.

I don't understand what he has shown for anyone to believe that he'll be an elite QB let alone a midlevel QB.

Honestly, let's not compare him to the Hall of Famers, let's compare him to the journeymen QBs that have had a few good years but flamed out.

His career doesn't even compare to Brad Johnson's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB win), Jeff Garcia's (3 Pro Bowls 3 playoff appearances), Jim Everett's (1 Pro Bowl 2 playoff appearances), Chris Chandler's (2 Pro Bowls 1 SB Loss), Jim Harbaugh's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), Stan Humphries '(1 SB Loss), Pete Wilson's (1 Pro Bowl 3 playoff appearances), and numerous other NFL QB journeymen.

No what's delusional is sticking with Alex Smith and expecting the team to be a legit contender.

So your argument is that a 25 year old qb has not achieved as much as a bunch of retired qb's achieved during their entire careers?

I struggle to find a word to describe this "logic". Lame doesn't go anywhere near far enough.

You call other people's arguments "delusional"? Let's inject a few facts into your argument:

Quarterbacks take time to develop.

Alex Smith is 25 years old

Brad Johnson was 31 when he made his 1st Pro Bowl appearance and 35 when he made the SuperBowl.

Jeff Garcia was 30 when he made his 1st Pro Bowl appearance.

Jim Everett was 28 when he went to the Pro Bowl

Chris Chandler was 32 when he went to the Pro Bowl and 33 when he went to the SuperBowl

Jim Harbagh was 32 when he went to the Pro Bowl

Stan Humphries was 27 when he went to the playoffs and 29 the SuperBowl

I have no idea who Pete Wilson is. Perhaps you could enlighten me. Meantime Wade Wilson, in case you were mistaking them, went to the Pro Bowl when he was 29.

Most journeyman qb's go to the SuperBowl when they are leading a great team. That is how they get there. So comparing the performance of these teams with ours is flawed, to be polite.

Nate is still an unknown.

I'm really looking forward to Davis' development and seeing him play for the long term. He does show he has instincts but he is raw to the core.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by backontop:
let the guy sit and learn! What is so hard to understand about this.

Why, he is better than Smith right now, he just needs the reps to learn the system. He is a stud in the pocket and can take a hit like big Ben. He needs some reps I don't understand why people don't see this.

The arm strength, the poise, the stepping up in the pocket and making the throw. Scrambles and makes plays not throws the ball out of bounds and mroe accurate catchable balls. THis is clear with no practice, imagine what HE could do with an off season. Thanks for this clip, bravo.

Where is that youtube clip of every pass Nate Davis threw in preseason. Not trying to start Nate next year, but it gives us ALL something to look forward to.

While I understand why many board members are cheering for Davis to become the new signal caller, the reality is that he is an unknown quantity at this time, and simply to hand the reigns to him, as some have suggested, is naive at best.

In other words, you don't throw out a decent to good starting QB, who has a ton of ability and has developed this year, for another guy who according to the writers who follow the team is not ready to play at all. Football just doesn't work that way. That is why Alex Boone is still on the developmental team. He can't play the game, yet.

Davis may turn out to be a great, mediocre, less than average, or lousy QB. What we do know is that the offense under Smith is moving the ball, albeit awkwardly at times, but has tremendous potential for the future. And, we know that the offense is surely better than it was at the beginning of this year.

The bottom line is that this entire thread should be pooped canned until the end of training camp 2010 because Smith isn't going anywhere, and neither is Davis. So, to discuss this extensively, as if Davis is in the game, is worthless. He isn't. The only hope Team Davis can cheer for is a lousy training camp by Smith, followed by a lousy series of games early in 2010. Outside of that, Davis is a backup in the NFL, at least until 2011 or later.

P.S. Why is this thread 17 pages long?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by mrgneissguy:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Nate Davis is not who you think. Just the Alex Ballwashers on the zone feel this way mostly:

Nate Davis Career Superlatives:

• Became the first player in BSU history to throw for 3,000 yards or more in back-to-back seasons
• Managed a 22-12 record as a starting quarterback
• Tallied a 17-5 Mid-American Conference mark as a starter
• Threw at least one TD pass in 29 of his last 31 games
• With his first pass at Akron, a 23-yard completion to Dante Love, Davis set the Ball State career record for passing yards
• With his seventh completion of the game vs. Northern Illinois, Davis set the Ball State school record for completions in a career on a 33-yard pass to MiQuale Lewis

I am not saying he is the second coming or anything but the man did have a pretty darned good college career and you don't do that being "stupid".

And that is only a fraction of what he did in college.

Set the Ball State record for touchdown passes in a season his freshman year while only starting seven games.
Ranked 17th in the country in passing efficiency with a 147.25 mark as a freshman.
Broke the Ball State single season record for passing yards by ~1300 yards.
Broke his own Ball State record for single season passing touchdowns his sophomore year, by 12 TDs.
Threw for 422 yards against Nebraska at Nebraska as a sophomore.
Ranked 27th in the nation in passing efficiency as a sophomore.
Ranked 13th in the nation in passing efficiency as a junior.

He holds the following spots in the Ball State record books:
1st, 2nd, and 6th spot for single season passing yards
1st and 2nd spot in single season pass attempts, completions, and touchdowns.
Career TD passes (he's got 30 more than the second place holder)
Career passing yards
Career pass attempts and completions
Career 250+ yard passing games (14 more than second place)
Career 300+ yard passing games

He is also ranked 6th in the MAC record books for career TDs, up there with the likes of Chad Pennington (1st), Byron Leftwhich (2nd), and Ben Roethlisberger (5th).

I also found a list of all of his TD passes from 2008 (who they were against, who the receiver was and the yardage) and did a little math. His average TD pass went for 23.9 yards. That's average...with a short of 5 yards and a long of 61. 17 of his 26 TD passes in 2008 went for at least 20 yards (and his leading receiver was a freshman).

And you can play this game with Alex Smith and a ton of other QBs. This crap doesn't matter.

but but but in college he did......

Guess what it is college!!!! not the NFL.

Sorry, the point wasn't to say that any of that would automatically translate to the NFL. That was in response to a previous poster who stated that Nate Davis is stupid. You don't accomplish those types of things by being stupid. Whether he can translate that to the NFL is yet to be seen, but the kid is not stupid.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

In other words, you don't throw out a decent to good starting QB, who has a ton of ability and has developed this year...

Let's see, in the last three games the defense created 7, 2, and 6 turnovers respectively. And this decent to good starting QB scored a grand total of 24, 13, and 20 points during those games. That's total points not just points off of those turnovers. And one of those games was against the Lions...the 2-13 Lions. Is that what decent to good QBs do?

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

has alex smith even shown those skills in preseason?

This.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

has alex smith even shown those skills in preseason?

This.

has nate davis started a preseason game? no i mean he's not going to get his chance until next year why cant some people just accept he's not going to play for a while

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

has alex smith even shown those skills in preseason?

This.

has nate davis started a preseason game? no i mean he's not going to get his chance until next year why cant some people just accept he's not going to play for a while

Because we live in a fantasy world, where mental projections for a player match reality in people's minds.

The problem: These projections where Davis is going to simply jump into the game, and light it up, as if he's been in a specific system for a long time, used to playing at NFL speed, and used to diagnosing complex defenses, is completely unrealistic, and almost laughable. These same people act as if the NFL is like playing Central Michigan or Bowling Green. It is not.

Davis is not ready, not close to being ready, is not in the universe in being ready. However, for some, he will simply step onto the field like a 5-year vet, reading complex defenses, understanding the speed of the game, having perfect timing with their receivers (the same ones they have not thrown to in about 4 months) etc. No wishful thinking is going to make them a star, but wishful thinking dominates the highly irrational people day and night.

Hence, Fantasyland.

Reading complex NFL defenses, practice reps with the receivers, understanding the system you are under, having a timing clock in your head when you want to throw, working with a new playclock, and playing before crowds of more than 30,000 fans is vastly overrated. Just go in the game, and start throwing the ball around. Just throw it anywhere. Everything will be OK.

P.S. This is the same Nate Davis (I haven't even begun with his learning disability) that, in his two last starts, in pressure-packed games, fumbled the ball about 500 times (the actual number is 8) against the NFL juggernauts, ready.....University of Buffalo and ....drumroll, University of Tulsa. This is the Davis that is ready to take over???

Some people need to splash some water on their faces.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by excelsior:
So many of you live in a fantasy world, and create a false reality in your mind. Because Alex is our current QB, you see his good plays and his bad ones. Since you are biased, you focus on his bad ones and ignore or trivialize his good ones.

In the case of Nate, you have created this fabulous QB in your mind. But translating talent into consistent results against strong opponents in regular season games is an entirely different story. Observe how few promising QBs make it big in the NFL. Look at all the highly-acclaimed, high-draft choice QBs that came out of college the last few years, and look at how few have performed anyway near what one might have expected.

Remember how many of you had annointed JTO as our savior? We saw how that turned out. Then you jumped on Hill, and that false dream fell apart. Smith started out encouraging, but after awhile opponents found schemes to take advantage of our weaknesses.

Odds are heavy that Nate would be no different. He has weakness, no doubt, and opponents would exploit them. Eventually, you would be looking for another savior.

It's not a fantasy world or delusion to want Nate Davis to get a shot at starting. He's a relatively unknown quantity in regards to how he handles regular season play, but he has shown that he possess the skills and instincts that both Hill and Smith lack.

...based SOLELY on preseason and college play.

has alex smith even shown those skills in preseason?

This.

has nate davis started a preseason game? no i mean he's not going to get his chance until next year why cant some people just accept he's not going to play for a while

Because we live in a fantasy world, where mental projections for a player match reality in people's minds.

The problem: These projections where Davis is going to simply jump into the game, and light it up, as if he's been in a specific system for a long time, used to playing at NFL speed, and used to diagnosing complex defenses, is completely unrealistic, and almost laughable. These same people act as if the NFL is like playing Central Michigan or Bowling Green. It is not.

Davis is not ready, not close to being ready, is not in the universe in being ready. However, for some, he will simply step onto the field like a 5-year vet, reading complex defenses, understanding the speed of the game, having perfect timing with their receivers (the same ones they have not thrown to in about 4 months) etc. No wishful thinking is going to make them a star, but wishful thinking dominates the highly irrational people day and night.

Hence, Fantasyland.

Reading complex NFL defenses, practice reps with the receivers, understanding the system you are under, having a timing clock in your head when you want to throw, working with a new playclock, and playing before crowds of more than 30,000 fans is vastly overrated. Just go in the game, and start throwing the ball around. Just throw it anywhere. Everything will be OK.

P.S. This is the same Nate Davis (I haven't even begun with his learning disability) that, in his two last starts, in pressure-packed games, fumbled the ball about 500 times (the actual number is 8) against the NFL juggernauts, ready.....University of Buffalo and ....drumroll, University of Tulsa. This is the Davis that is ready to take over???

Some people need to splash some water on their faces.

agreed

Who ever thinks that Nate Davis is ready are idiots.

These people are making their assessments based on a small sample of plays he made AGAINST PLAYERS WHO ARE NO LONGER IN NFL ROSTERS!

He may have talent, but he is far from ready. Let him sit one more year under Alex Smith and get used to the offense and then start him on his 3rd or 4th year. By then he should be ready and there will be no more excuses.