Limbaugh, Rev. Al, and the rams

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
it would be an extremely bad PR move by the NFL to allow rush to purchase any team. espescially after espn fired him for making racial comments.

nothing to do w/ conservative vs. liberal IMO.

I was curious if this was the actual intent. I hope that this is the intent of opposing rush.

His comments about McNabb were stupid. McNabb is a really good QB when healthy but has been injured a lot.

However if the standard is anybody who ever said anything stupid in their life then nobody can own an NFL team. All 32 teams can't have an owner if that is the standard. Otherwise there is a lot of hypocritical stuff going on.

That's true but, most people don't make a living off of saying stupid things habitually. Regardless of his views, you can't consistently make statements that alienate a group of people and expect it to not bite you in the ass at some point. There's got to be a reason 99% of certain minority groups don't like this person.

Considering 90% of African Americans are Democrats I don't find it too surprising.

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Bigger windbag - Limbaugh or Sharpton?

I-I don't know...

Both. LOL.

Hopefully he buys the Rams and screws them up even more.

Originally posted by Mike8016:
Hopefully he buys the Rams and screws them up even more.

he's going in w/ the st. blues owner. and they're improved with that owner.

Originally posted by TX9R:
This shows what a lucrative career you can make out of catering to a crazed angry right wing audience. Wish I had thought of it.

Well you can do the exact opposite. You could do the same with crazed left wing liberals and then you could........Air America, oh that's right it didn't work. Apparently there weren't enough advertisers with money to make it work.

I find Limbaugh to be egotistical and full of me, me, me....but it worked for him. I consider myself to be fairly conservative but I've never enjoyed his show much.

Fu** Limbaugh, he is nothing but a loud mouth hate mongering racist.

The Rams are a mess...

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Do owners have to pass drug tests?

I don't think so because that would include alchohol test.

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by TX9R:
This shows what a lucrative career you can make out of catering to a crazed angry right wing audience. Wish I had thought of it.

Well you can do the exact opposite. You could do the same with crazed left wing liberals and then you could........Air America, oh that's right it didn't work. Apparently there weren't enough advertisers with money to make it work.

I find Limbaugh to be egotistical and full of me, me, me....but it worked for him. I consider myself to be fairly conservative but I've never enjoyed his show much.

I thought that too, but it doesn't really work for the other side. People on the right like to get themselves far more riled up and angry than the left, that's why it's such a good schtick. Considering more people associate themselves with the left than the right (see: last election) there's a reason why the right wing shows have better ratings.

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by TX9R:
This shows what a lucrative career you can make out of catering to a crazed angry right wing audience. Wish I had thought of it.

Well you can do the exact opposite. You could do the same with crazed left wing liberals and then you could........Air America, oh that's right it didn't work. Apparently there weren't enough advertisers with money to make it work.

I find Limbaugh to be egotistical and full of me, me, me....but it worked for him. I consider myself to be fairly conservative but I've never enjoyed his show much.

I thought that too, but it doesn't really work for the other side. People on the right like to get themselves far more riled up and angry than the left, that's why it's such a good schtick. Considering more people associate themselves with the left than the right (see: last election) there's a reason why the right wing shows have better ratings.

That was true in the last election. However, in recent generic polls, Republicans hold a 4 point lead over Democrats.

Did you ever listen to Al Franken during the short time he was on Air America? He was very caustic and full of bombast on the few occasions I listened.

Originally posted by DesiDez:
Black players will boycott Rams if Rush is owner

Quote:
Mathias Kiwanuka loves his former defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, but the Giants' defensive end says he will never play for Spagnuolo's Rams if Rush Limbaugh purchases the team. Kiwanuka and the Jets' Bart Scott made it clear Thursday that they would never play for the Rams or any team owned by the controversial conservative radio host. "All I know is from the last comment I heard, he said in (President) Obama's America, white kids are getting beat up on the bus while black kids are chanting 'right on,'" Kiwanuka told The Daily News. "I mean, I don't want anything to do with a team that he has any part of. He can do whatever he wants, it is a free country. But if it goes through, I can tell you where I am not going to play."

I'm going to call BS on the players boycott. Players are whores, They will play if the money is there.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
it would be an extremely bad PR move by the NFL to allow rush to purchase any team. espescially after espn fired him for making racial comments.

nothing to do w/ conservative vs. liberal IMO.

I was curious if this was the actual intent. I hope that this is the intent of opposing rush.

His comments about McNabb were stupid. McNabb is a really good QB when healthy but has been injured a lot.

However if the standard is anybody who ever said anything stupid in their life then nobody can own an NFL team. All 32 teams can't have an owner if that is the standard. Otherwise there is a lot of hypocritical stuff going on.

That's true but, most people don't make a living off of saying stupid things habitually. Regardless of his views, you can't consistently make statements that alienate a group of people and expect it to not bite you in the ass at some point. There's got to be a reason 99% of certain minority groups don't like this person.

Considering 90% of African Americans are Democrats I don't find it too surprising.

This data is old but I am not sure it has increased to that amount since everything current shows the Demo's losing African American votes.

"In the Joint Center's 2002 National Opinion Poll, 63% of African Americans considered themselves Democrats, 10% called themselves Republicans, and 24% described themselves as independents"

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by TX9R:
This shows what a lucrative career you can make out of catering to a crazed angry right wing audience. Wish I had thought of it.

Well you can do the exact opposite. You could do the same with crazed left wing liberals and then you could........Air America, oh that's right it didn't work. Apparently there weren't enough advertisers with money to make it work.

I find Limbaugh to be egotistical and full of me, me, me....but it worked for him. I consider myself to be fairly conservative but I've never enjoyed his show much.

I thought that too, but it doesn't really work for the other side. People on the right like to get themselves far more riled up and angry than the left, that's why it's such a good schtick. Considering more people associate themselves with the left than the right (see: last election) there's a reason why the right wing shows have better ratings.

That was true in the last election. However, in recent generic polls, Republicans hold a 4 point lead over Democrats.

Did you ever listen to Al Franken during the short time he was on Air America? He was very caustic and full of bombast on the few occasions I listened.

No I never listened to any left wing radio (or any radio for that matter.. it's 2009) because I'm not generally interested in opinion based programming (rather get facts and form my own than have some mouth piece tell me what I want to hear), which kind of proves what I was saying.

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
it would be an extremely bad PR move by the NFL to allow rush to purchase any team. espescially after espn fired him for making racial comments.

nothing to do w/ conservative vs. liberal IMO.

I was curious if this was the actual intent. I hope that this is the intent of opposing rush.

His comments about McNabb were stupid. McNabb is a really good QB when healthy but has been injured a lot.

However if the standard is anybody who ever said anything stupid in their life then nobody can own an NFL team. All 32 teams can't have an owner if that is the standard. Otherwise there is a lot of hypocritical stuff going on.

That's true but, most people don't make a living off of saying stupid things habitually. Regardless of his views, you can't consistently make statements that alienate a group of people and expect it to not bite you in the ass at some point. There's got to be a reason 99% of certain minority groups don't like this person.

Considering 90% of African Americans are Democrats I don't find it too surprising.

This data is old but I am not sure it has increased to that amount since everything current shows the Demo's losing African American votes.

"In the Joint Center's 2002 National Opinion Poll, 63% of African Americans considered themselves Democrats, 10% called themselves Republicans, and 24% described themselves as independents"

Those numbers were pretty accurate up until the 2008 election when 90+% of African American voters voted for Obama. Of the independents, most of those wound up voting for Reeps.

I read recently that a good bit of Obama's loss of popularity in recent months has been an erosion of more conservative African American voters who voted for him along racial lines rather than their philosophical guidelines. As a result, when they saw his radical move to the left instead of the centrist position they had hoped for, a la Bill Clinton post 1994, they have now moved away from Obama.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by DesiDez:
Black players will boycott Rams if Rush is owner

Quote:
Mathias Kiwanuka loves his former defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, but the Giants' defensive end says he will never play for Spagnuolo's Rams if Rush Limbaugh purchases the team. Kiwanuka and the Jets' Bart Scott made it clear Thursday that they would never play for the Rams or any team owned by the controversial conservative radio host. "All I know is from the last comment I heard, he said in (President) Obama's America, white kids are getting beat up on the bus while black kids are chanting 'right on,'" Kiwanuka told The Daily News. "I mean, I don't want anything to do with a team that he has any part of. He can do whatever he wants, it is a free country. But if it goes through, I can tell you where I am not going to play."

What a surprise, black players don't want to play for an unabashed racist? Let's hope he does buy the team, the could be the NFL's version of the Utah Jazz.

Taking things out of context always creates mistaken impressions.

In this case, Limbaugh was referrencing guys like Sharpton, Rangel and Jesse Jackson who pull the race card everytime an African American does something illegal and gets caught. The result is that there is one set of laws that apply to whites and another for African Americans.

Let me give you an example from my wife's school that happened just this week: An African American eigth grade boy turned in a book report on a book that was clearly above his reading level, and the book report was obviously a cut-and-paste job right off the internet. It was not submitted on the required book report form, rather is was printed on plain paper, straight from a printer.

My wife questioned him about the meaning of certain words and sentences that he had supposedly written himself. He had no idea of their meaning. He received an F. The next day the mother called and was very irate. She stopped just short of accusing my wife of discrimination and demanded the report be accepted.

Wife went to the Vice Principal who noted that the mother had done similar things in the past, including racial discrimination allegations, therefore it wasn't worth the headache of dealing with her. VP suggested my wife allow him to write a second book report in class, using class time rather than home time, and taking time away from regular instruction time, all because the district feels it is too difficult to defend a racial discrimination case than to hold everyone to the same standard.

The result is that black kids get away with stuff that white kids will not, only because they are off a different skin color. This IS racism, pure and simple, but of the opposite kind. The truly unfortunate thing is that the "black" kids suffer in the end because they are not being taught how to live in society.

As I stated above, I don't like Limbaugh's style but he is speaking correctly about a problem we have in this country that results from reverse discrimination. In this case, he has been quoted out of context. Limbaugh is not a racist, even though the liberal media would love to paint him that way, and their out-of-context quotes have apparently reached some players.

couple of things....

seems like it is the school system in your area that needs to be called out. Doesn't matter what this kid's mom says, if it is blatantly copy and paste work from the internet, I believe it is illegal if the kid didn't cite his sources....if the principal is not going to stand up to the parents, then he/she needs to be removed.....it would benefit everyone.

also, imo, I don't think you should put time into defending Rush's words....or what ever he is "really" trying to say.... defending Rush is like defending Alex....Facts always get in the way.....

I mean this whole "Obama's America" thing is ridiculous.... it has been like this, way before Obama had control of anything....and if Rush expects Obama to fix these issues this early in his term, let alone ever fix these types of issues, then that is just crazy talk.

I know the times are tough, but if possible, I believe your wife should teach at an another school....she is obviously trying to do the right thing for that kid's future, and that school does not deserve her services.

or she can try and get through to that kid....make it personal....let him know that she is the only one who is apparently looking out for his future......then listen to what he has to say....ask him why he did it....and if there was anyway way she can help, so that he doesn't need to feel he has to do it again. I know it seems like a soft way of going about things...but you never know how this kid might respond. Right now this kid might be in defensive mode because he is embarrassed and knows he got away with something, but at the same time knows his teacher is disappointed in him. or he can just be a punk...if that is the case then......well then at least she tried.

SCHOOL UPDATE:
My wife had further conversations with the principal who talked with the mother. The kid is going to be allowed to re-do another book report and my wife will be obligated to grade it - additional work for her...all because the mom was allowed to play the race card.

The general policy in many areas is that if the parents want to play the race card, it isn't worth the agravation and financial cost to defend the action. Hence, if the parents choose to perpetuate racism in the country, they will be allowed to do that...but only if they are black. Other schools are being forced to function in much the same way. This is the state we live in.

It sure sounds as if you and your lady are bigots. I am not saying that you are racist. However, your posts on this topic are off the subject. For example, what does your wife teaching a black child has to do with Rush owning a team? Example 2, You are on a 49er site cheering for the Rams( our rivals) to hire a blatantly racist owner. Thirdly, Obama won b/c he was the best candidate. Where you calling it a "BUSH AMERICA" when gas prices soared to $6 or when he left black people to die in Katrina. "Obama America" is just a term that racist use to express their dissatisfaction with a Black President. Get Over it. We could do worst. We did worst. We had Bush.

[ Edited by 49time on Oct 13, 2009 at 16:55:51 ]