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Raiders trade for Seymour

WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...
Originally posted by crzy:
Seymour will stay in Oakland, he won't get the same money elsewhere. The Raiders tend to overpay their players, just ask Tommy Kelly and DHB.

Even if he chooses not to sign a long term deal they can slap the tag on him and deal him. He'll be inclined to produce because it's a contract year so his trade value will still be good. If he signs long term they can use his notoriety and experience to help possibly lure a FA or 2 in the offseason and they go into the 2010 draft with their 1st so they can put more focus on the offense in the draft.

Honestly seems people are knocking on the deal just because it's the Raiders however if you look closely at it like I see you have, it's hard to see how this wasn't a good move by the Raiders FO. This move would have been great for us to make unfortunately Uncle Al beat everyone to the punch.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
NE gets a sure top 5 pick for an aging player. NE owns the league once again. How do they do it?



The pick is in 2011 their is no telling if it will be a top 5 player.

Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...

I addressed this a couple pages back, he has experience in the 4-3, he played it at Georgia and his first 2 years as a Patriot. He also shifted inside on nickel downs when they switched to the 3-4.

Up front on the line he also has Greg Ellis who is better suited for the 4-3 as well. When you add in Howard, Morrison and Aso in the back 7, they will have some great pieces to work with on D.

[ Edited by KRS-1 on Sep 7, 2009 at 06:01:25 ]
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by crzy:
Seymour will stay in Oakland, he won't get the same money elsewhere. The Raiders tend to overpay their players, just ask Tommy Kelly and DHB.

Even if he chooses not to sign a long term deal they can slap the tag on him and deal him. He'll be inclined to produce because it's a contract year so his trade value will still be good. If he signs long term they can use his notoriety and experience to help possibly lure a FA or 2 in the offseason and they go into the 2010 draft with their 1st so they can put more focus on the offense in the draft.

Honestly seems people are knocking on the deal just because it's the Raiders however if you look closely at it like I see you have, it's hard to see how this wasn't a good move by the Raiders FO. This move would have been great for us to make unfortunately Uncle Al beat everyone to the punch.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
NE gets a sure top 5 pick for an aging player. NE owns the league once again. How do they do it?



The pick is in 2011 their is no telling if it will be a top 5 player.

Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...

I addressed this a couple pages back, he has experience in the 4-3, he played it at Georgia and his first 2 years as a Patriot. He also shifted inside on nickel downs when they switched to the 3-4.

Up front on the line he also has Greg Ellis who is better suited for the 4-3 as well. When you add in Howard, Morrison and Aso in the back 7, they will have some great pieces to work with on D.

Yes, they have great pieces, but the question is utilization - not talent level.

John Marshall is an experienced Defensive Coordinator and previously worked for the 49ers in the late 80s, and through the mid-90s.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by crzy:
Seymour will stay in Oakland, he won't get the same money elsewhere. The Raiders tend to overpay their players, just ask Tommy Kelly and DHB.

Even if he chooses not to sign a long term deal they can slap the tag on him and deal him. He'll be inclined to produce because it's a contract year so his trade value will still be good. If he signs long term they can use his notoriety and experience to help possibly lure a FA or 2 in the offseason and they go into the 2010 draft with their 1st so they can put more focus on the offense in the draft.

Honestly seems people are knocking on the deal just because it's the Raiders however if you look closely at it like I see you have, it's hard to see how this wasn't a good move by the Raiders FO. This move would have been great for us to make unfortunately Uncle Al beat everyone to the punch.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
NE gets a sure top 5 pick for an aging player. NE owns the league once again. How do they do it?



The pick is in 2011 their is no telling if it will be a top 5 player.

Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...

I addressed this a couple pages back, he has experience in the 4-3, he played it at Georgia and his first 2 years as a Patriot. He also shifted inside on nickel downs when they switched to the 3-4.

Up front on the line he also has Greg Ellis who is better suited for the 4-3 as well. When you add in Howard, Morrison and Aso in the back 7, they will have some great pieces to work with on D.

Yes, they have great pieces, but the question is utilization - not talent level.

John Marshall is an experienced Defensive Coordinator and previously worked for the 49ers in the late 80s, and through the mid-90s.

Oh for sure but I never brought that up because they have JM. He has a ton of experience and his last stint in Seattle was a pretty good one. He is probably a very happy man to have a player like Seymour to help shore up the DL.
This could get interesting . . .


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What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 7, 2009 10:11 AM ET


A league source has raised an intriguing concept with us.

It's established, via Peter King of SI.com, that former Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour is "angry" about the trade that sent him into football's literal and figurative Black Hole.

A good friend of Seymour's told King on Sunday, "I would not be surprised if he doesn't report."

We've heard the same sentiment. So the source posed a great question.

What happens if Seymour doesn't show?

It's not completely out of the question. Seymour held out not once but twice from the Patriots during his time there, and Seymour's agent is -- you guessed it -- Eugene Parker, who currently is embroiled in one of the nastiest rookie holdouts in recent memory, as the agent for 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree.

So, if Seymour refuses to report to the Raiders, either because he doesn't want to play for the Raiders or because they're not offering him the kind of contract he wants, what happens?

Because all trades hinge on the player showing up and passing a physical, Seymour wouldn't become a Raider unless he enters the building. Thus, it apparently would fall back to the Patriots to take action against Seymour aimed at coaxing him to honor the last year of his current contract.

Under that contract, he's due to earn $3.685 million this year. That's more than $216,000 per game he'll lose if he doesn't accept the trade, in addition to any other potential fines that could be imposed.

If he stays out past Week Ten his contract will toll for a year, keeping him from becoming an unrestricted free agent in what looks to be an uncapped year. But this situation can't linger for two months. At some point, the Raiders will reel in that first-round pick, and the Pats will be forced to slay the fatted calf for a son who was made involuntarily prodigal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/07/what-is-richard-seymour-doesnt-show-in-oakland/

[ Edited by SonocoNinerFan on Sep 7, 2009 at 08:35:07 ]
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by crzy:
Seymour will stay in Oakland, he won't get the same money elsewhere. The Raiders tend to overpay their players, just ask Tommy Kelly and DHB.

Even if he chooses not to sign a long term deal they can slap the tag on him and deal him. He'll be inclined to produce because it's a contract year so his trade value will still be good. If he signs long term they can use his notoriety and experience to help possibly lure a FA or 2 in the offseason and they go into the 2010 draft with their 1st so they can put more focus on the offense in the draft.

Honestly seems people are knocking on the deal just because it's the Raiders however if you look closely at it like I see you have, it's hard to see how this wasn't a good move by the Raiders FO. This move would have been great for us to make unfortunately Uncle Al beat everyone to the punch.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
NE gets a sure top 5 pick for an aging player. NE owns the league once again. How do they do it?



The pick is in 2011 their is no telling if it will be a top 5 player.

Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...

I addressed this a couple pages back, he has experience in the 4-3, he played it at Georgia and his first 2 years as a Patriot. He also shifted inside on nickel downs when they switched to the 3-4.

Up front on the line he also has Greg Ellis who is better suited for the 4-3 as well. When you add in Howard, Morrison and Aso in the back 7, they will have some great pieces to work with on D.

Yes, they have great pieces, but the question is utilization - not talent level.

John Marshall is an experienced Defensive Coordinator and previously worked for the 49ers in the late 80s, and through the mid-90s.

No its talent level too. They have very limited talent and depth all over their defense.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by crzy:
Seymour will stay in Oakland, he won't get the same money elsewhere. The Raiders tend to overpay their players, just ask Tommy Kelly and DHB.

Even if he chooses not to sign a long term deal they can slap the tag on him and deal him. He'll be inclined to produce because it's a contract year so his trade value will still be good. If he signs long term they can use his notoriety and experience to help possibly lure a FA or 2 in the offseason and they go into the 2010 draft with their 1st so they can put more focus on the offense in the draft.

Honestly seems people are knocking on the deal just because it's the Raiders however if you look closely at it like I see you have, it's hard to see how this wasn't a good move by the Raiders FO. This move would have been great for us to make unfortunately Uncle Al beat everyone to the punch.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
NE gets a sure top 5 pick for an aging player. NE owns the league once again. How do they do it?



The pick is in 2011 their is no telling if it will be a top 5 player.

Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
WOW...the raiders are trash! Richard Seymour is good but he has no one to help him on that d-line, not to mention he's going to a 4-3 scheme. The Pats just get richer with this move...

I addressed this a couple pages back, he has experience in the 4-3, he played it at Georgia and his first 2 years as a Patriot. He also shifted inside on nickel downs when they switched to the 3-4.

Up front on the line he also has Greg Ellis who is better suited for the 4-3 as well. When you add in Howard, Morrison and Aso in the back 7, they will have some great pieces to work with on D.

2011 will for sure be a top 5 player. Oakland sucks and they will continue to suck. No way they will be much better by 2011.
Richard Seymour is probably telling the Pats that he agreed to a certain salary level with them because he knew the Pats had a legit shot at a Superbowl. He probably doesn't want to play for the Raiders for the same money he would have made as a Patriot. He wants to be compensated for all the losing he knows he will be a part of in Oakland.
If Seymour does not report, does the trade fall through?
Originally posted by MiamiNiner:
If Seymour does not report, does the trade fall through?


good question
i'm assuming it all depends on whether or not he took the physical.............

if he doesn't take the physical the trade falls through, and if he took it (and passed) then the trade is official and it would pretty much be like a hold-out.

...again i'm just assuming.
Nope dude on NFL network Maycock or whatever his name is broke it down

If he doesn’t show he doesn’t get paid they own his rights for this year can’t work out or get paid with anyone else and his contract is locked for next year he can’t get more money and would be stuck either playing for Oakland or no one next year as well.
Originally posted by 49erWill:
didnt something similar happen to Jake plummer?

Yep traded to Tampa and never showed but he retired the next day.
Quote:
The only leverage that can be exerted against the player is the dreaded "five-day letter," a precursor to placement on the reserve/left squad list.

"The club sends a letter to the player warning him that, in five days, the club has the right to place him on the reserve/left squad list," Signora said. "It explains to him that if they do place him in that category, he cannot play again this season, etc. After sending that letter and the expiration of the five-day period, the club does not have to place the player on the reserve/left squad list, but it may do so."

If the trade conditions the transaction on Seymour reporting, the Pats would be the team sending the five-day letter. If the Pats and the Raiders re-work the deal, the Raiders could in theory acquire Seymour's rights without Seymour actually reporting, just as the Buccaneers did a couple of years ago with quarterback Jake Plummer.

ya Mayock talked about the '5 day letter' like in here
well it is not that hard to figure out really. Clearly NE knows they have coveted players. Clearly NE knows there are really bad franchises out there and so for trading vets for picks, they will prefer to only trade with the known bad teams. Like the Raiders and Niners.