JReff22 Mock v.1 (The its too early for this but I dont care edition) | Page 2

jreff22 · 2012-10-09T14:37:19-07:00

1. Kenny Vaccaro FS Texas 6'1" 218 lbs Vaccaro is a SS at Texas but will transition to FS just like Eric Berry has done. Great size, athleticism, and not scared to hit....sounds a bit familiar. He could be the only new starter on the D that has never played for the team, RJF has obvious experience. Expect so early issues just like with any rookie but he should fall in line with the other great Texas DB's from previous drafts. 2. Cornellius Carradine OLB Florida State 6'4" 265 lbs Depth will be a major sticking point this year. With Parys expecting a large payday, Haggins most likely walking, Flemming coming off major injury, and the Cam still on the PS we have a hole....a big one at OLB. Although this years class is full of sexy names, chances are we draft late again putting those guys out of reach. Carradine plays opposite of Bjorn and doesn't get the hype of his German counterpart. But the kid is a monster himself. Fantastic size with speed to boot and a tenacity to get after the QB. Remember this will be a rotational guy who will sub in and out with Aldon....we dont need to move up like some want, to get a player who can do what is needed. 3 (a). Marcus Davis WR Virginia Tech 6'4" 232 lbs Marcus Davis is a thicker more polished version of Stephen Hill with more experience. With the amount of WR's in this years draft he will fall but not very far. This is the pick that many of screamed for and will replace Moss. With the passing game starting to actually open up and evolve its time we grab a kid with his measurables that can go up and over anybody....including the big guys in Seattle. Do not expect him in a starting role, he will be a situational player for some time. 3 (b). Shawn Williams SS Georgia 6'1" 218 lbs Two safety's are you kidding me? Nope, I'm dead serious. Just like Goldson, Whitner isnt getting younger or cheaper. Although I love the tandem we have now its not going to last forever. Shawn Williams will be held in his normal position and will be the primary backup at SS and FS, but SS is where he will be groomed. Rambo gets the hype at UGA but Williams is a quality player that can do almost anything. Mcbath will be gone at the end of the year so while losing 2 guys in the back we add 2 in the same draft class. Some may not love the idea but if it happened these two will make a career out of tattooing WR's and RB's. He also has serious ST value from the get go. 4. Justin Pugh OT Syracuse 6'5" 298 lbs Justin Pugh becomes our new Boone. Although he's not gifted with the same talents, he does have the ability to step in and start in emergency situations which is what we need. He will need to add weight and fill out his frame but the kid has been a starter at LT for years at Syracuse and has played very well. This is one OL pick that should stick and develop into a great backup which will give most, if not all some relief. 5 (a). Michael Williams TE Alabama 6'5" 272 lbs Say hello to our 3rd TE, Michael Williams. Some may dislike this pick because he is more of a blocking TE than a pass cathcing one like Fleener. But this kid knows how to blakc very well and does it against top competition every week. He does have some pass cathing ability but he's not asked to do it much at Alabama. At his size he does create a mismatch problem for almost any LB or SS and can be trusted to catch the ball. This is not a replacement for Walker, more a replacement for Celek, L Davis, and Dobbs. Quality player that fits Jims mold of ground and pound ball. 5 (b). Omoregie Uzzi C/OG Georgia Tech 6'3" 302 lbs Some wanted Rambo but will you settle for an Uzzi instead? Omoregie Uzzi (a name that will be butchered during draft talk) is a nasty OG who considered leaving GT last year. One of the meanest guys on the GT OL, Uzzi has been one of the reasons why GT runs very well. Coming from a run first, second, and third system means he knows how to fight in the trenches. But I have him transitioning into the backup C spot behind Kilgore. It will be a new position for him so some adjustment will be expected but at his size and with time he could become a quality backup rounding out the last pick for OL for some time. 5 (c). Cory Grissom NT South Florida 6'2" 316 Playing for the Bulls, Grissom has had a pretty strong showing since he became a starter years ago. Grissom doesn't have gaudy stats but is a monster to deal with on the field and can eat blocks. The baby faced senior has had some history with medical issues so this is why he falls this far. Although JPP really put USF on the map they are still overlooked in the Big East all the while churning out talent. With Ice leaving and RJF stepping in this becomes a depth pick if he checks out medically. Remember this name come draft time. 6. Kapron Lewis-Moore DE Notre Dame 6'4" 306 lbs "Notre Dame is ranked.... ....wait you're serious " ? Yes ND is ranked and has one of the better defenses in the country. Kapron Lewis-Moore plays all over in ND's 3-4 so he has experience in the system already. Long but stout Moore is a constant disruptor across the DL. This is not a replacement for Justin because none exist in this years class, which is looking more ho hum every week. Moore will fight to become the primary backup at both DE positions because RJF will now be a starter. He might take the spot away from Dobss or Tukuafu but being that neither are getting meaningful snaps I wouldn't say the primary backup spot is locked down yet. His combine numbers will be interesting to watch. 6. Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6'2" 244 lbs The era of Grant is now over as he looks to get a starting gig elsewhere. Taylor is a great ILB that should t hamper the D if he was need early in the season. Only knock of Taylor (which has dropped him) would be an injury to his foot. But the kid is a great player that loves to hit. He doesn't have the speed of Bowman or Willis but who else does at the position? If healthy he will be a great role player with ST skills and costing half of what Grant does. 7 (a). Melvin White CB La.-Lafayette 6'3" 191 lbs Jim loves competition so we get some for the 5th CB spot. Melvin White is a small school CB with great size that could be a FS/CB tweener which isn't a bad thing. When it comes to fighting for the 5th spot with a 7th rounder there isn't much to say except just see what happens. But if he checks out at 6'3 and can fill out to 200lbs that's one hell of a CB to have on the roster. 7 (b). Anthony McCloud NT Florida State 6'2" 322 lbs The last pick comes down to McCloud who will be fighting with Williams for the last NT spot on the team. McCloud is a large kid who can be the toilet clogger that many have called for in previous drafts. Although FSU has a good rotation on the DL McCloud hasn't stood out like the DE's on their squad. This is more of a developmental pick and back-end competition. Sometimes 7th rounders never make the team but others like RJF with time and effort become gems who just need the correct coaching. __________________________________________________________ Reasoning and Rational: I went into this with the idea that both Goldson, Grant, Moss, and Ice are gone, sad but a good possibility. Also the comp picks are added as well. This is still very early and these kids can move up or down multiple rounds easily. Things will change over the next coming weeks and months but here is an early look. Also, because this is a bit premature NO trades were done. Enjoy!!

Oct 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by jreff22:
After paying Snyder a fortune and being the lowest graded OG in the NFL....don't put it past them.

Also the Bears could be a viable option as well....they are starting Chilo

Jones and Warmack will be top 25 picks

here is a ranking of the OL as of now....http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Warmack is the top OL on Kiper's big board so far. #2 overall or something.

Oct 10, 2012 at 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by jreff22:
After paying Snyder a fortune and being the lowest graded OG in the NFL....don't put it past them.

Also the Bears could be a viable option as well....they are starting Chilo

Jones and Warmack will be top 25 picks

here is a ranking of the OL as of now....http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Warmack is the top OL on Kiper's big board so far. #2 overall or something.

I didn't mean to imply he will fall to 25...just that neither will be sitting around when we pick

Oct 10, 2012 at 11:24 AM

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Oct 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM

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I like it! Great analysis man.

Oct 10, 2012 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by jreff22:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Soo let's assume Eric Reid is the first safety off the board landing in STL possibly. What are the chances of Vaccaro making it past secondary needy teams like Detroit, GB or Oak? Bigger needs?

Oct 10, 2012 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by drake49er:
I like it. We get a Tank, Uzzi and a pork chop in this mock. I'm a big fan of Carradine and he would be perfect for a rotational guy to develop.

Carradine isn't a popular name yet around these parts but in a few months he will be.

Carradine would be a nice pickup, I like Jordon from Oregon as well at the end of the second (very end!).

My issue with Jordan is his size. Very tall but very lean. It works for him the the Pac-12 style of ball, but I think he would get pushed around by quality NFL OL. At his height I would like to see him around 255 at least which could prove difficult.

I agree but I am thinking those would be the BPA at the position at the end of the 2nd and with the player needed to backup both OLB spots they will need to play the run well Carrading would fit better.

Vaccarro looks like he would be a nice fit, he was matched up on Tavon Austin and held up.

[ Edited by ChaunceyGardner on Oct 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM ]

Oct 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Soo let's assume Eric Reid is the first safety off the board landing in STL possibly. What are the chances of Vaccaro making it past secondary needy teams like Detroit, GB or Oak? Bigger needs?

TJ is next off the board and Elam might be 3rd...have a weird feeling about him.

Oakland would've already passed on him. GB goes after a RB and Detroit might also.

Oct 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM

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Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by drake49er:
I like it. We get a Tank, Uzzi and a pork chop in this mock. I'm a big fan of Carradine and he would be perfect for a rotational guy to develop.

Carradine isn't a popular name yet around these parts but in a few months he will be.

Carradine would be a nice pickup, I like Jordon from Oregon as well at the end of the second (very end!).

My issue with Jordan is his size. Very tall but very lean. It works for him the the Pac-12 style of ball, but I think he would get pushed around by quality NFL OL. At his height I would like to see him around 255 at least which could prove difficult.
I agree but I am thinking those would be the BPA at the position at the end of the 2nd and with the player needed to backup both OLB spots they will need to play the run well Carrading would fit better.

Vaccarro looks like he would be a nice fit, he was matched up on Tavon Austin and held up.

If we pass on Jordon in the first (if he is even there) he wont fall to us in the 2nd.

Oct 10, 2012 at 1:24 PM

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GFD !!!!!- (Great F........n Draft !!).. Too bad your name aint Trent balk...We'd murder this league for years to come with that depth/talent..

Oct 10, 2012 at 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by martysofresh:
What's the drop off if we lose Goldson though? He makes alot of plays and is in his prime. Arguably a top 5 safety in the league right now. He's a very valuable piece to the puzzle. I doubt the offer would look like 8Mil a year now. He'd be looking more like 3yr 18il with maybe 7.5 gauranteed if he's smart wants to be part of a championship calibur team. I think replacing ICE would be an easier transition because we've played without him before when we was sick last season and hurt this season and the defense didnt miss a beat. Iagree with the re-signing of RJF. RJF and Ian Williams were able to hold it down and we could find an NT outside the 1st rd. Goldson is in his prime right now, even Ronnie Lott likes the way he plays. I was listening to Rod Woodson on 95.7 today and he was talking about playmakers in the secondary and how Ed Reed is so great because he's not afraid to make plays, and it made me think of Goldson(not saying he's as good as Reed) but he's truly playing lights out for us. He gets INTs and causes fumbles he may not be the star player of the Niners, but he's undeniably a playmaker. I think re-signing him to the 3yr deal and drafting one of those safeties to back him up would be the best thing for him. The way its looking, we could be choosing from T.J McDonald, Ray Ray Armstrong, Shawn Williams, Kenny Vaccaro, and Bacarri Rambo. Each one of those guys are incredibly gifted, ahve the ablilty to challenge Goldson to play at higher level or lose his job and quality depth is what we need. By the time Goldson starts to pique, we'll have a starting calibur safety ready. I like both players, but ICE is older and more expendable than Goldson. Its hard to pick between the two because both are so underrated by alot, but DG is the most underrated.
NOw referring to cap space, if we're drafting an OLB like Carradine in the 2nd, I dont see Haralson coming back. i dont remember the numbers you posted in the other thread, but you know how much cap that opens up. and then Brock not being resigned opens up more. We'll assume ICE doesnt resign, loss of Moss, Ginn, Grant and Jacobs. Possibly D-Walk as well. Oh and Haggans. How does the cap look AB? And what did you have in mind for the extensions of Smith and WHitner?
Btw, I swear this is like the longest post ive ever done lol.

We can easily make 10M in cap space by extending Justin Smith, Donte Whtiner and David Akers, plus another 7M by cutting Goodwin and Haralson. So It is possible for Goldson to be kept, if they both agree on a cap friendly deal, plus Bowman is under our control for 2013, 2014 and 2015, since he can be tagged twice. So in 2014 and 2015 we would need to make decision I guess.

For Smith, I would do a 3yr extension through 2015(Would be new 3yr deal basically, as we rip up his previous deal.), probably 8M a yr average, with higher salaries in 2014 and 2015, possibly add in a 2016 season so we can prorate a signing bonus longer and save more money right away.

Whitner, a 3 or 4 yr deal, 3.25M a yr.

For Goldson, if he would do a 5yr deal through 2017, worth 6.5M a yr, so 32.5M, give him some incentives(500K a yr) to bring it up to 35m with incentives.

Oct 10, 2012 at 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Soo let's assume Eric Reid is the first safety off the board landing in STL possibly. What are the chances of Vaccaro making it past secondary needy teams like Detroit, GB or Oak? Bigger needs?

Good question, Detroit only has Delmas, Oakland could dump Huff, and GB needs DB, as Woodson can't play forever.

Oct 10, 2012 at 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Soo let's assume Eric Reid is the first safety off the board landing in STL possibly. What are the chances of Vaccaro making it past secondary needy teams like Detroit, GB or Oak? Bigger needs?
TJ is next off the board and Elam might be 3rd...have a weird feeling about him.

Oakland would've already passed on him. GB goes after a RB and Detroit might also.

I dont think Elam is third off the board, not before Rambo if only referring to FS, but if we factor in SS as well, then I dont see Rambo being the 3rd either, but he goes before Elam. But that's if the draft was tomorrow. Long season so you could be 100% right on that.
I started to say that Oakland has alot of needs so they'll probably just go BPA, they need seconardy help so bad. Oakland and Detroit are the only two teams in the league that dont have any INTs. smh.
GB and Detroit could both find a RB in the 2nd or trade up for the fact that not too many teams need a RB in the first. PItt, GB, and DET are the only teams that really "need" one bad enough to consider spending a 1st rd pick .

Oct 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM

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Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by martysofresh:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout NFL Draft Comparison: Kenny Vaccaro - Charles Woodson. Can play slot CB or either safety spot. Big hitter. VG angles, range. Total package.

Soo let's assume Eric Reid is the first safety off the board landing in STL possibly. What are the chances of Vaccaro making it past secondary needy teams like Detroit, GB or Oak? Bigger needs?
TJ is next off the board and Elam might be 3rd...have a weird feeling about him.

Oakland would've already passed on him. GB goes after a RB and Detroit might also.

I dont think Elam is third off the board, not before Rambo if only referring to FS, but if we factor in SS as well, then I dont see Rambo being the 3rd either, but he goes before Elam. But that's if the draft was tomorrow. Long season so you could be 100% right on that.
I started to say that Oakland has alot of needs so they'll probably just go BPA, they need seconardy help so bad. Oakland and Detroit are the only two teams in the league that dont have any INTs. smh.
GB and Detroit could both find a RB in the 2nd or trade up for the fact that not too many teams need a RB in the first. PItt, GB, and DET are the only teams that really "need" one bad enough to consider spending a 1st rd pick .

Depends on the interview process with Rambo. Some teams with the gold star system may drop Rambo or take him off all together.

Georgia All-American safety Bacarri Rambo has been suspended for four games for failing a drug test, his high school coach said Thursday.

A source close to the situation also confirmed to ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach that Rambo's suspension was drug-related.

Alan Ingram, Rambo's coach at Seminole County High School in Donalsonville, Ga., said he believes Rambo was a victim of circumstance.

"Bacarri went down to Panama City Beach with some friends," Ingram said. "One of the nights he went to bed before they did. He got up the next morning, was hungry and found some brownies on the table. He had some with some milk and told me, 'I got high.' The other guys got up and told him that the brownies were not for him. Apparently they were laced with marijuana.

"I think that is the story. I think that is exactly what happened. Not many times would I say that, but he has never lied to me before."

Rambo was suspended for the Bulldogs' opener against Boise State last season for an unnamed rules violation but still earned All-America honors while leading the SEC with eight interceptions.

Do you want to draft a kid who has been suspended multiple times in 2 years worth of play?

Chances are we see 2 RB's go in the first and because none are top 10 talent GB could sit and wait for that guy to fall right to them.

Oct 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM

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eric berry?

who?

Oct 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM

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Great mock JReff22!