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49ers power player in 2013 draft

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
"T.J, McDonald, S, USC: The son of former NFL safety Tim McDonald is a big hitter like his father. The key for him will be his coverage skills improving"


sounds like taylor mays

No more USC Safetys....
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
"T.J, McDonald, S, USC: The son of former NFL safety Tim McDonald is a big hitter like his father. The key for him will be his coverage skills improving"


sounds like taylor mays

No more USC Safetys....
no usc players unless theyre lbs
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Here is something I wrote up just now.

Heading into the draft these were locks IMO.

QB Alex Smith (2014)
QB Colin Kaepernick (2014)
RB Frank Gore (2014)
RB Kendall Hunter (2014)
FB Bruce Miller (2014)
RB/FB Rock Cartwright (2012)
WR Michael Crabtree (2014)
WR Ted Ginn Jr. (2012)
WR Mario Manningham (2013)
TE Vernon Davis (2015)
TE Delanie Walker (2012)
C Jonathan Goodwin (2013)
OG Mike Iupati (2014)
OG Daniel Kilgore (2014)
OG Mike Person (2014)
OT Joe Staley (2017)
OT Anthony Davis (2014)
OT Alex Boone (2015)
DE Justin Smith (2013)
DE Ray McDonald (2015)
NT Isaac Sopoaga (2012)
NT Ricky Jean Francois (2012)
OLB Aldon Smith (2014)
OLB Ahmad Brooks (2017)
ILB Patrick Willis (2016)
ILB NaVorro Bowman (2013)
ILB Larry Grant (2012)
ILB Tavares Gooden (2012)
CB Carlos Rogers (2015)
CB Tarell Brown (2013)
CB Chris Culliver (2014)
S Dashon Goldson (FRAN)
S Donte Whitner (2013)
S C.J. Spillman (2014)
S Colin Jones (2014)
PK David Akers (2013)
P Andy Lee (2012)
LS Brian Jennings (2014)

That was 38 spots, then these guys who felt wouldn't need a upgrade but just competition.

RB Brandon Jacobs (2012)
WR Randy Moss (2012)
TE Nate Byham (2013)
DE Demarcus Dobbs (2013)
DE Will Tukuafu (2013)
NT Ian Williams (2013)
OLB Parys Haralson (2013)
CB Perrish Cox (2013)
CB Tramaine Brock (2012)

Those were an additional 9 spots filled, bringing us to a total of 47 spots filled, leaving 6 spot opended.

Then fast forward to draft day, like said we wouldn't draft Fleener, didn't have a need their. Only big need was maybe a RG, but it was clear the team feels highly in Kilgore to only add a 4th rd pick to compete with him.

Now looking at the roster, add in the following as on the roster IMO.

WR A.J. Jenkins (Will be signed through 2015)
RB LaMichael James (2015)
OG Joe Looney (2015)
OLB Darius Fleming (2015)
FS Trenton Robinson (2015)

That there is 5 of the 6 spots available. The last to me is down to whether we do keep a 9th OL in Slowey, who could be a PS possibility, or we have Cam Johnson on the roster.

Haralson makes the team as long as the team is able to reduce his salary, if not he will need to prove he is worth keeping.

Competition at the following positions will happen IMO for roster spots.

4th and 5th CB spot-

Brock, Cox, Holcomb, Nelms(Might be at S maybe), Bademosi(If he is signed) and Mosley(Kentucky UDFA)

DL-

Dobbs, I.Williams, Masifilio, Jerod-Eddie, Butrym -Note I feel Tukuafu is most likely locked in after playing so good before injured in 2011.

9th OL spot if a 9th is kept-

Slowey, Netter(UDFA), Hall(Stanford OT from 2011), Gonzales(UDFA from Wash State) - If only 8 then I guess Person would competing for a spot, even though we should keep 9 for safety purposes and Person brings value verstale wise.

RB-

Jacobs and Dixon, darkhorse would be Jewell Hampton.

What I'm trying to get at is we had only maybe 6 open spots heading to draft day, if we didn't feel we needed upgrades at positions mentioned before.

Now what was good about this draft was those extra 3 picks in 2013, we have several key FAs to be,

RB Rock Cartwright - Most likely to be kept, as he a ST ace and brings vet presence.

WR Randy Moss - Likely done, if brought back would be small 1 yr deal like this year

WR Ted Ginn Jr. - Unsure of new kickoff rule changes if any, thus might make him expendable past 2012, plus hopefully we can develop someone as a Returner

TE Delanie Walker - Maybe sees offers, but I feel he returns, should be an easy re-sign

NT Isaac Sopoaga - Will be interesting on how much they value Isaac, which will determine if we will look into 2013 draft for a replacement

NT Rick Jean Francois - Even though an easy sign, team may feel they need and could get a cheaper upgrade, I would keep, wouldn't cost much more than 1M a yr

ILB Larry Grant - Could return, but may get offers elsewhere.

ILB Tavares Gooden - Easy 1yr re-sign for vet minimum

CB Tramaine Brock - RFA to be, likely not tendered, we would draft a better CB in 2013 who can down the road be a starter or 3rd CB when Rogers is done

FS Dashon Goldson - Needs extension, hoping now/soon

P Andy Lee - A must sign, need him, gives great field position on nearly every punt

2013 seems like these are priorities to get.

NT if Sopoaga isnt retained

Backup at NT/DE if RJF isnt back

CB to replace Brock

maybe a WR if Moss doesn't work out

extra ILB for depth

and pretty much it. We have good players to work with for the future, so I feel solid for 2013 and beyond. Keep developing our young players, and supplement thru FA, and add more thru Draft.
Wow. Great analysis.

Nice write up AB! We are in very good position for sure. Like the way Baalke has things lined up for the 49ers future!
I see a ... Trade all our draft picks next year for Matt Barkley thread... In our future!!!
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa

I will take any guy named "Ray Ray" That's just awesome.
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Originally posted by smithc28:
our 32nd pick and both round 3 picks could get us high enough to get Lattimore.

What do you think of that

that'd still leave us with 9 picks in the draft

I like it. That would make our backfield be Gore, Lattimore, James, and Hunter.
We'll have the best backfield in the league soon. Even if we missed on Lattimore and got Ball, it'd still be good.

If we drafted a RB in the first round we would not be keeping Gore (at least at his current deal). RBs are ready "now" and it makes no sense investing such a high draft pick on an every down back only to split carries in an already crowded back field. Either Gore gets cut or the loser of the Hunter/James competition for 3rd down back will be. .
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Originally posted by smithc28:
our 32nd pick and both round 3 picks could get us high enough to get Lattimore.

What do you think of that

that'd still leave us with 9 picks in the draft

I like it. That would make our backfield be Gore, Lattimore, James, and Hunter.
We'll have the best backfield in the league soon. Even if we missed on Lattimore and got Ball, it'd still be good.

If we drafted a RB in the first round we would not be keeping Gore (at least at his current deal). RBs are ready "now" and it makes no sense investing such a high draft pick on an every down back only to split carries in an already crowded back field. Either Gore gets cut or the loser of the Hunter/James competition for 3rd down back will be. .

I haven't chimed in yet, so I figured I would now. I don't see a reason to draft a RB again, Hunter and James should be fine after Gore is done, I'm not saying though don't draft one if Gore is done after 2012, just it isn't needed to add a 1st round premiere back like Lattimore, who probably goes as high as Richardson did. Would be hard to trade from say 30 to 3 and give up a s**t ton of picks, when we could have some holes at NT, WR, CB and a future DE to worry about. No guarantee Sopoaga and/or Jean Francois return in 2013.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Originally posted by smithc28:
our 32nd pick and both round 3 picks could get us high enough to get Lattimore.

What do you think of that

that'd still leave us with 9 picks in the draft

I like it. That would make our backfield be Gore, Lattimore, James, and Hunter.
We'll have the best backfield in the league soon. Even if we missed on Lattimore and got Ball, it'd still be good.

If we drafted a RB in the first round we would not be keeping Gore (at least at his current deal). RBs are ready "now" and it makes no sense investing such a high draft pick on an every down back only to split carries in an already crowded back field. Either Gore gets cut or the loser of the Hunter/James competition for 3rd down back will be. .

I haven't chimed in yet, so I figured I would now. I don't see a reason to draft a RB again, Hunter and James should be fine after Gore is done, I'm not saying though don't draft one if Gore is done after 2012, just it isn't needed to add a 1st round premiere back like Lattimore, who probably goes as high as Richardson did. Would be hard to trade from say 30 to 3 and give up a s**t ton of picks, when we could have some holes at NT, WR, CB and a future DE to worry about. No guarantee Sopoaga and/or Jean Francois return in 2013.


the only reason I wouldve went for the premier back is because we dont want make it a dyer need. Im sure the'll be plenty of FA's as stop gaps if needed tho. Now that you mention it, id rather go for a legit shutdown CB. Havnt had one of those in a while. We'll go DT 1st Rd next year probably. I hope we get a big guy like ICE. I would love to snag Keenan Allen or Justin Hunter. or wait for Marquis Lee. In A few years, whenever CK takes over, our offense will be soo explosive. Kaepernick, VD, A. Jenkins, LMJ and Hunter. Our offense is gona be something else.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
"T.J, McDonald, S, USC: The son of former NFL safety Tim McDonald is a big hitter like his father. The key for him will be his coverage skills improving"


sounds like taylor mays

No more USC Safetys....
no usc players unless theyre lbs

42, 46 and that dude who plays for the steelers whatshisface were and are pretty good. would kind of like to hear what the draft experts think about tj before i put him in the mays, bing pile. by experts i mean otc, ghost, md and the rest of the boards resident draft heads phwuk the talking heads on tv we have our own experts or whatever you may want to call them at any given time.
the 2013 draft will be fun to watch
Yes it will be
I like it. I just wish we had more high picks. We got lots of 5th, 6th and 7th rounders. So I think they will trade up a lot to round #4. Making us kings of day 3....
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I like it. I just wish we had more high picks. We got lots of 5th, 6th and 7th rounders. So I think they will trade up a lot to round #4. Making us kings of day 3....

Teams probably don't want to trade multiple 6s and 7s for a single 4 or 5. I could see us using the extra 5/6/7 to move up in rounds. So like move from late round 5 to early/mid 5 and give up an extra pick. Same thing with 6 and 7. We might be able to get an extra 4 with the two 5s and 6/7 but then we have no 5s. I don't think we like not having a pick in a round. I also don't think we will use our picks to move up to early to mid round 1. Just don't think we would get rid of our 2nd and 2 3rds to move up. To me I'd rather have the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 3rd than one pick at 15.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on May 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM ]
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa

I will take any guy named "Ray Ray" That's just awesome.

the kid is 6'4....at FS
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa

I will take any guy named "Ray Ray" That's just awesome.

the kid is 6'4....at FS

Can he cover well? I've seen him play a few times and was impressed but it's been a while since I saw him play. If he can cover well enough though he'd be similar to Sean Taylor, and could be a real dominant play maker back there.