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MadDog's Niners Draft Grade and Analysis

Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ

true, im just use to seeing 1st rounders and 2nd rounders getting a little time if they are good picks.
I think theyre good picks just picked on a Deep team......It happens I mean look at the Patriots.....trade their picks because they know the rookies might not contribute that year....
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

iM NOT SURE OUR PFFENSE CALLS FOR DEEP SPEED i THINK WE USE jENKINS WHEN kAEP STARTS
Originally posted by dj43:
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

I think Jenkins would be starting over Kyle Williams but Williams is getting suited up because he is our back up returnman with an injury prone Ginn.

Also, keep in mind rookie WRs take roughly 3 years to develop. Its extremely rare for a rookie WR to be productive in year one. Usually when they are its because 1) they are a top 10 pick or 2) they play on an awful squad. Moss will be gone next year and Jenkins will get used as our #3 WR

Same thing with LaMike, we have 2 RBs that are playing great. And our 3rd RB getting dressed is becuase of special teams.
[ Edited by SunDevilNiner79 on Nov 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM ]
Originally posted by Marsh:
and he is our emergency QB

lol, sad but true.
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

iM NOT SURE OUR PFFENSE CALLS FOR DEEP SPEED i THINK WE USE jENKINS WHEN kAEP STARTS
A speedy receiver with the size Jenkins brings would make a lot of difference in this offense. Right now safeties do not have to worry about anyone getting behind the CBs because the 49ers don't have anyone with that kind of speed. If a speed receiver were in the game, safeties would have to stay back another 3-5 yards which would open a lot of slants and crossing routes that are currently getting jammed.

It isn't just about throwing long. It is also about the threat of the deep ball...and yes, Smith can throw it plenty deep. We have seen him put it in the air 60+ yards on occasion but when there is no one down there that is open, there is no point in throwing it. Hence, the need for Jenkins on the field.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by dj43:
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

I think Jenkins would be starting over Kyle Williams but Williams is getting suited up because he is our back up returnman with an injury prone Ginn.

Also, keep in mind rookie WRs take roughly 3 years to develop. Its extremely rare for a rookie WR to be productive in year one. Usually when they are its because 1) they are a top 10 pick or 2) they play on an awful squad. Moss will be gone next year and Jenkins will get used as our #3 WR

Same thing with LaMike, we have 2 RBs that are playing great. And our 3rd RB getting dressed is becuase of special teams.

I agree with the Williams scenario. I just don't see the offense expanding a lot more without a speed guy on the outside. Perhaps using Jenkins instead of Celek would give a chance to open things up...like against the Bears.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

iM NOT SURE OUR PFFENSE CALLS FOR DEEP SPEED i THINK WE USE jENKINS WHEN kAEP STARTS
A speedy receiver with the size Jenkins brings would make a lot of difference in this offense. Right now safeties do not have to worry about anyone getting behind the CBs because the 49ers don't have anyone with that kind of speed. If a speed receiver were in the game, safeties would have to stay back another 3-5 yards which would open a lot of slants and crossing routes that are currently getting jammed.

It isn't just about throwing long. It is also about the threat of the deep ball...and yes, Smith can throw it plenty deep. We have seen him put it in the air 60+ yards on occasion but when there is no one down there that is open, there is no point in throwing it. Hence, the need for Jenkins on the field.

Eh, next year
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by Marsh:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
So is our draft grade TBD cause we dont play our draft picks???

Should be

haha smh

im not sure how I feel about them not playing....

Im ok with it.....as long as we stand 6-2.....if our record was different...I would be screaming to see some LMJ
I am not OK with Jenkins not playing.

Our WRs are lack deep speed and that is making it very difficult to complete the short-medium routes as safeties continue to crowd down closer to the LOS. Jenkins was supposed to the big, fast guy that would change that. The fact he hasn't seen the field suggests that the scouting reports on him were not very accurate. The other possibility is that Harbaugh/Roman are too convinced that the combination of power running and gimmick/gadget plays will get the job done. I think it is some of each, however, whatever the reason, our WRs are not so wonderful that they would keep a #1 draft pick on the inactive list unless there was some other reason.

iM NOT SURE OUR PFFENSE CALLS FOR DEEP SPEED i THINK WE USE jENKINS WHEN kAEP STARTS
A speedy receiver with the size Jenkins brings would make a lot of difference in this offense. Right now safeties do not have to worry about anyone getting behind the CBs because the 49ers don't have anyone with that kind of speed. If a speed receiver were in the game, safeties would have to stay back another 3-5 yards which would open a lot of slants and crossing routes that are currently getting jammed.

It isn't just about throwing long. It is also about the threat of the deep ball...and yes, Smith can throw it plenty deep. We have seen him put it in the air 60+ yards on occasion but when there is no one down there that is open, there is no point in throwing it. Hence, the need for Jenkins on the field.

Eh, next year

Yeh, that seems to be where Harbaugh is on Jenkins. The early camp reports indicated he needed to gain strength and put on weight. Looks like he has not satisfied that need yet.
Not sure where else to put it, but I was really high on Nate Potter, I thuoght he should have been drafted in the first 3 rounds.

He fell to the 7th round to the Cards....

But now he is getting the start at LT! Could still bust, but I feel some vindication after he fell to the 7th.
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I think it is fun to review your analysis a year later.

Jenkins - you nailed it when you said F, but you also admitted that you thought he was a C, which in hindsight is way too high.
LMJ was given a D grade. He did better than that his first year, but D is what he has done in the preseason.
Looney/Slowey (and the missed opportunity to get a G/C in the first) - I think you missed here big time.
Fleming - You gave a D which was correct.
Robinson/Johnson - You gave A grades for them. They did make the team last year, and I guess we will find out if they make the team again this year. Johnson just turned in a monster performance so he is likely. A may be a little high for them, but they were above average for their round.

So looking back, I think you are more correct than incorrect. The best thing we did was get more picks for the draft we had this year.
Originally posted by fryet:
I think it is fun to review your analysis a year later.

Jenkins - you nailed it when you said F, but you also admitted that you thought he was a C, which in hindsight is way too high.
LMJ was given a D grade. He did better than that his first year, but D is what he has done in the preseason.
Looney/Slowey (and the missed opportunity to get a G/C in the first) - I think you missed here big time.
Fleming - You gave a D which was correct.
Robinson/Johnson - You gave A grades for them. They did make the team last year, and I guess we will find out if they make the team again this year. Johnson just turned in a monster performance so he is likely. A may be a little high for them, but they were above average for their round.

So looking back, I think you are more correct than incorrect. The best thing we did was get more picks for the draft we had this year.

Looking back is fun, since you are always going to have massive head scratching moments. I really like how my 2012 draft has shaped up:
1. Peter Konz- starting center for the Falcons. Looking good so far
2. Mohamed Sanu- starting WR for the Bengals
3. Brandon Thompson- reserve DT for Bengals
4. Malik Jackson- DT for Broncos looking great this offseason
5. Vick Ballard- starting RB for Colts
6. Antonio Allen- fighting for starting spot with Jets
7. Derrius Brooks- CFL
  • fryet
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This thread has your 2011 draft. I would post there, but it is locked:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/154437-maddogs-final-wrap-grade-niners/search=MadDog49er

This was Baalke's home run draft. It is not surprising that in hindsight your analysis was off.

Aldon Smith - You gave a C, and this is definitely an A+. However, your other choice Wyatt, is also an A+.
Colin Kaepernick - You gave a C, and this is also definitely an A+.
Chris Culliver - You gave a C+. That is probably about right. First backup at corner after 2nd season.
Kendall Hunter - You gave an A. I think that might be slightly generous, but first backup at RB in the 4th round is good, so I am quibbling over what I think should be an A- or B+ grade.
Daniel Kilgore - You gave a D. I think he is probably the 49er's best backup. A 5th round pick he is at least a B.
Ronald Johnson and Colin Jones - You gave a C. Johnson was a F, and I think Colin made the team for 1 year. So I think D would be better.
7th rounders - you gave them a F. 2 of 3 didn't make the team, but Miller is a solid choice as our starting FB. So in his case I think he was an A or at least a B.

So how did your picks do in comparison for the 2011 draft?
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