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Day 3 - Draft General Discussion

Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Really thought we already had good depth there.

Yeah, I think we are set for this year at DL... see what we got before we go getting Justin's replacement even though imo he can go at least two more years. Also, they seem content with CBs as well. I figured with Cox's return ability and him signing for 2 years they wouldn't be quick to replace him. Also, Brock being exclusive rights tender I think they like him as well.
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Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Sickle cell trait?

The racist disease. Only black people can get it. It's basically where red blood cells are abnormally shaped.

Factually, just not true.
Sickle Cell Anemia develops as a defensive response to malaria.
Many "non-black" people have sickle cell.

Sickle-cell disease, usually presenting in childhood, occurs more commonly in people (or their descendants) from parts of tropical and sub-tropical regions where malaria is or was common. One-third of all indigenous inhabitants of Sub-Saharan Africa carry the gene,[4] because in areas where malaria is common, there is a fitness benefit in carrying only a single sickle-cell gene (sickle cell trait). Those with only one of the two alleles of the sickle-cell disease, while not totally resistant, are more tolerant to the infection and thus show less severe symptoms when infected.[5]

The prevalence of the disease in the United States is approximately 1 in 5,000, mostly affecting Americans of Sub-Saharan African descent, according to the National Institutes of Health.[6] In the United States, about 1 out of 500 African-American children born will have sickle-cell anaemia.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease

Sickle cell disease is much more common in people of African and Mediterranean descent. It is also seen in people from South and Central America, the Caribbean, and the Middle East.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001554/
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by mayo49:
We still need a #1 reciever. Jenkins projects ideally as a #3 in the slot. But, that we can talk about in next years draft.

So I have a question for you. Who was the #1 receiver for the Rams with the greatest show on turf? Would that be Isaac Bruce or Tory Holt? If you have enough competent WRs, who gives a s**t who the #1 is.

do we have any competent WR's?

using two HOF caliber guys to give examples is not realistic at the moment being we don't have one

we will be drafting WR again next year

Competent WRs? Yes. I expect a full training camp and preseason will help a lot, particularly as the QBs will be better and the full playbook can be implemented. Everyone's talking about how AJ will make it easier for the other receivers to excel, but I expect having Lamike on the field will help, too.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if Moss makes the roster, even if he's motivated. He's no spring chicken and his body has taken some beating over the years. Even if he's highly motivated and has his head on straight (not a foregone conclusion), it will be very challenging for him to perform day in, day out, and I'm not talking just Sundays.

We could very well draft the WR position next year, depending on how Crabtree and Manningham perform this season. If their play and attitudes aren't good, Harbaugh will run their asses out of town. And Williams, too -- but I think it'll be easier for him to make the team than Moss, Swain, etc.
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Really thought we already had good depth there.

Yeah, I think we are set for this year at DL... see what we got before we go getting Justin's replacement even though imo he can go at least two more years. Also, they seem content with CBs as well. I figured with Cox's return ability and him signing for 2 years they wouldn't be quick to replace him. Also, Brock being exclusive rights tender I think they like him as well.

Agree. And I believe we have built up enough ammo so that we can go and get any impact player or players in next years draft also. Love what this front office is doing with this team for sure!
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by mayo49:
We still need a #1 reciever. Jenkins projects ideally as a #3 in the slot. But, that we can talk about in next years draft.

So I have a question for you. Who was the #1 receiver for the Rams with the greatest show on turf? Would that be Isaac Bruce or Tory Holt? If you have enough competent WRs, who gives a s**t who the #1 is.

do we have any competent WR's?

using two HOF caliber guys to give examples is not realistic at the moment being we don't have one

we will be drafting WR again next year

Competent WRs? Yes. I expect a full training camp and preseason will help a lot, particularly as the QBs will be better and the full playbook can be implemented. Everyone's talking about how AJ will make it easier for the other receivers to excel, but I expect having Lamike on the field will help, too.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if Moss makes the roster, even if he's motivated. He's no spring chicken and his body has taken some beating over the years. Even if he's highly motivated and has his head on straight (not a foregone conclusion), it will be very challenging for him to perform day in, day out, and I'm not talking just Sundays.

We could very well draft the WR position next year, depending on how Crabtree and Manningham perform this season. If their play and attitudes aren't good, Harbaugh will run their asses out of town. And Williams, too -- but I think it'll be easier for him to make the team than Moss, Swain, etc.

And you hit the nail on the head. Moss is a 1 year maybe 2 guy, but might not make the roster. Manningham is no more then a #2-3 guy, he proved that in NY, good depth but not a game changer. Crabtree isnt a game breaker and I think he leaves once his contract is up. Williams is dead to me. And Ginn is not a WR.

If Jenkins plays great then we have a good start at the rebuilding process but we will need more guys, that I'm sure of.
Originally posted by jreff22:
And you hit the nail on the head. Moss is a 1 year maybe 2 guy, but might not make the roster. Manningham is no more then a #2-3 guy, he proved that in NY, good depth but not a game changer. Crabtree isnt a game breaker and I think he leaves once his contract is up. Williams is dead to me. And Ginn is not a WR.

If Jenkins plays great then we have a good start at the rebuilding process but we will need more guys, that I'm sure of.

I don't generally reference Lowell Cohn's writing, but I agree with his latest that how the receivers do this upcoming season will depend more on the QB play than anything else. In terms of pure talent/measureables, other squads of course have better receiver corps than the Niners will...but having said that, we potentially have a very, very good group who will create mismatch nightmares for opponents, especially if they try to get cute with blitzing, etc. As I've said elsewhere, if the QB can throw receivers open and hit them in stride, one missed tackle or blown assignment could be a Niner touchdown.
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Originally posted by jreff22:
And you hit the nail on the head. Moss is a 1 year maybe 2 guy, but might not make the roster. Manningham is no more then a #2-3 guy, he proved that in NY, good depth but not a game changer. Crabtree isnt a game breaker and I think he leaves once his contract is up. Williams is dead to me. And Ginn is not a WR.

If Jenkins plays great then we have a good start at the rebuilding process but we will need more guys, that I'm sure of.

I don't generally reference Lowell Cohn's writing, but I agree with his latest that how the receivers do this upcoming season will depend more on the QB play than anything else. In terms of pure talent/measureables, other squads of course have better receiver corps than the Niners will...but having said that, we potentially have a very, very good group who will create mismatch nightmares for opponents, especially if they try to get cute with blitzing, etc. As I've said elsewhere, if the QB can throw receivers open and hit them in stride, one missed tackle or blown assignment could be a Niner touchdown.

I think Alex will be fine he needed help and didnt get it outside of Vernon last year. If Moss pans out it will be a massive boost. I still think we need a 6'3 WR to take over that spot when/if Moss leaves. The fact that we went after Edwards and now Moss shows that we want a big play threat who has size.
Originally posted by jreff22:
I think Alex will be fine he needed help and didnt get it outside of Vernon last year. If Moss pans out it will be a massive boost. I still think we need a 6'3 WR to take over that spot when/if Moss leaves. The fact that we went after Edwards and now Moss shows that we want a big play threat who has size.

agreed

i want marquess wilson next year

next year our WR situation will be crabtree manningham and jenkins i highly doubt we resign moss

all of them are 6 1 or shorter and i dont think any of them are true #1 all will be great support WRs and all #2 again thats not a prolem but next year again we dont have many needs (we may need a #1 CB well see) and with our only need as #1 WR

why not trade up a bit for a top prospect?
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I think Alex will be fine he needed help and didnt get it outside of Vernon last year. If Moss pans out it will be a massive boost. I still think we need a 6'3 WR to take over that spot when/if Moss leaves. The fact that we went after Edwards and now Moss shows that we want a big play threat who has size.

agreed

i want marquess wilson next year

next year our WR situation will be crabtree manningham and jenkins i highly doubt we resign moss

all of them are 6 1 or shorter and i dont think any of them are true #1 all will be great support WRs and all #2 again thats not a prolem but next year again we dont have many needs (we may need a #1 CB well see) and with our only need as #1 WR

why not trade up a bit for a top prospect?

I have posted this a few times but will reiterate. I think we go after a DE in the first next year-finding the right guy to replace Justin will be hard but I think we start looking once the season (college) starts. I also expect a true NT to be drafted very early as well. I cant see another 1st being used on WR that fast but from rounds 2-4 I'm game. 6'3 or bigger is what I want...if we can find a kid like Hill next year I am sold. Tall, fast, agile, willing blocker, with soft hands....sign me up!!
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