Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Dude, 16.4 yards/catch IS a deep threat. He caught Bubble screens and stuff, too. Just because you catch a lot of deep balls doesn't mean you can't also catch short stuff. W/out changing GT's offense this year, Hill's ypc would have decreased if they threw more, since you can't throw deep all game. You can't block for it all game, so you have to mix in the quick stuff, so the other team isn't expecting the deep ball, and they don't kill your QB on every drop back. The deep passing game is garbage when the DL knows its coming (Ask Tom Brady about the 4th Quarter of the 2007 superbowl). Regardless, I would challenge you to produce any clips of CJ running the complete route tree in college.
Why don't you put up evidence that he couldn't run the route tree?
16.4 is pretty much standard for his skill sets. Fitzgerald had 16.6. I'm not disputing that Johnson didn't have his fair share of deep balls but at 6'5 240 that's inevitable.
He played in a pro style offense at Georgia Tech compared to Paul Johnson's triple option. You don't see the difference? Biletnikoff award winner, number 1 rated prospect on Mel Kiper's board, hell Maddog had him as the best wide receiver prospect to ever live.
There's no comparision between the 2 other than they're tall and athletic.
You're making the argument that CJ is more polished/ran a more sophisticated route tree. It is my position that the burden of proof would lie on you. If he ran the full tree, any highlight tape on YouTube should show that. If it becomes difficult to find that footage, then that kinda makes my point. Mostly, I don't want to look it up because I am pretty sure that I am right, and I am completely
sure that I am lazy.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand, Fitz is widely regarded as a n elite deep threat (not because of speed, but because of size, hands, timing, and leaping. So, I accept your argument as evidence of my point.
GT's offense was not Pro Style, it was just more balanced run/pass. Pro Style offenses have route packages that change on the fly with sight adjustments as a response to coverage schemes. GT did not do that.
I am not saying they are the same prospect AT ALL, I am simply stating that, for all of Calvin Johnson's production and talent, he was still not a polished receiver coming out. There were plenty of questions as to whether or n ot he would run the full route tree in the NFL. The difference is, his production and talent were such that people said (essentially), "Who cares if he only runs 3-4 routes, if he can't be covered on any of them?" He got to the league, got some coaching, and expanded his portfolio. It happens