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Need at WR - who are you drafting?

Need at WR - who are you drafting?

obviously, ideally we would get one who's both, but for the sake of discussing this: which one would you take?

Feel free to disagree, but this team is badly in need of a tall rangy WR that can be a threat on the other side of the field opposite to Crabtree - so drafting a player like Jeffery, Jones, Floyd would seem to solve this issue

However we may also be in position to snatch a playmaker like Wright, or Sanu if he were to declare (chances are he won't, but for the sake of discussing this let's pretend he would declare)

which one would you take?
If we aren't moving up Jeffery and Jones will be available, as of now it's Jones for me.

Floyd, Blackmon, and Wright will be gone before we can get them.
Originally posted by jreff22:
If we aren't moving up Jeffery and Jones will be available, as of now it's Jones for me.

Floyd, Blackmon, and Wright will be gone before we can get them.

you really think Wright will go that early?
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If we aren't moving up Jeffery and Jones will be available, as of now it's Jones for me.

Floyd, Blackmon, and Wright will be gone before we can get them.

you really think Wright will go that early?

I think we will be drafting that late and yes he will go early IMO. Outside of Blackmon the debate for 2nd best would be between Floyd and Wright, the question is which flavor do you prefer. For a team needing a shifty burner Wright fits the bill, if you want size and power Floyd is the pick.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If we aren't moving up Jeffery and Jones will be available, as of now it's Jones for me.

Floyd, Blackmon, and Wright will be gone before we can get them.

you really think Wright will go that early?

Yep.

If we lose Ginn, our whole draft dynamic changes, as we will need another speed WR. Williams has a known injury history and although showed some glimpses this year, I don't think I want him on the field all the time. I would add a guy like Jarius Wright or Joe Adams to replace Ginn.

I have serious worries about Jeffrey, but I trust our staff to make the right call. We'll see. The guys (expected to be available for us) qualifying as tall, red-zone receivers are:

Dwight Jones, North Carolina, 6-4 225
Brian Quick, Appalachian State, 6-4 216
Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, 6-3 220
Juron Criner, Arizona, 6-4 215
Gerrell Robinson, Arizona State, 6-3 222
Greg Childs, Arkansas, 6-3 217
Alshon Jefferey, South Carolina, 6-4 229 *
Tommy Streeter, Miami, 6-4 215 *
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If we aren't moving up Jeffery and Jones will be available, as of now it's Jones for me.

Floyd, Blackmon, and Wright will be gone before we can get them.

you really think Wright will go that early?

Yep.

If we lose Ginn, our whole draft dynamic changes, as we will need another speed WR. Williams has a known injury history and although showed some glimpses this year, I don't think I want him on the field all the time. I would add a guy like Jarius Wright or Joe Adams to replace Ginn.

I have serious worries about Jeffrey, but I trust our staff to make the right call. We'll see. The guys (expected to be available for us) qualifying as tall, red-zone receivers are:

Dwight Jones, North Carolina, 6-4 225
Brian Quick, Appalachian State, 6-4 216
Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, 6-3 220
Juron Criner, Arizona, 6-4 215
Gerrell Robinson, Arizona State, 6-3 222
Greg Childs, Arkansas, 6-3 217
Alshon Jefferey, South Carolina, 6-4 229 *
Tommy Streeter, Miami, 6-4 215 *

I'm ok with taking Quick or Criner in later rounds, I'd be ok with Fuller later on too

also would be ok with taking T.Y. Hilton on day 3 should we need to replace Ginn

I'm higher on KW10 than you are, but I can see the concerns with injuries
Justin Blackmon or Juron Criner. Two big WR's. Jordan White has 140 catches! We do need to sure up our hands. He's only 6ft but 215, built like a tank for a WR.
[ Edited by prime21 on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:45 AM ]
There seems to be some agreement emerging here already: We need both a tall, rangy guy who can make the tough catch in the end zone (think Jimmy Graham) and a speed guy who can take the lid off the defense.

I am fully convinced Harbaugh realizes the need for a big guy. Why else would he have taken a chance on Braylon Edwards, a guy with known character issues.

Seattle has a huge secondary that is built to defend the tall guy, and they also have some speed back there as well. They are an improving team and if we are going to beat them, we need to keep the size of that secondary in mind.

It is also a given that a former QB would realize the need for a speed guy. I like Kyle Williams but his injury history and lack of size concerns me. That leads me to invest an additional choice in a speed guy as well.

The problem with all this is that we also need a RG/center in a big way. If we are to beat the top teams, we need more strength than Snyder/Goodwin can provide.
Guys with size that I think we have a change to get that I like:

late 1st to 2nd round
Dwight Jones, North Carolina
Rueben Randle*, LSU (How is this guy getting no love?)

3rd round-4th round
Marvin McNutt, Iowa (Another guy left out of the conversation way too much)

undersized guys:

late 1st to 2nd round
Kendall Wright, Baylor

3rd-4th round
T.Y. Hilton, Florida International
Chris Givens*, Wake Forest (get ready to jump on his bandwagon when he announces. All ACC first team, set school record for yards in a season. If he goes pro I think he won't have any buzz until the combine where I expect him to put up a 4.4)
Originally posted by dj43:
There seems to be some agreement emerging here already: We need both a tall, rangy guy who can make the tough catch in the end zone (think Jimmy Graham) and a speed guy who can take the lid off the defense.

I am fully convinced Harbaugh realizes the need for a big guy. Why else would he have taken a chance on Braylon Edwards, a guy with known character issues.

Seattle has a huge secondary that is built to defend the tall guy, and they also have some speed back there as well. They are an improving team and if we are going to beat them, we need to keep the size of that secondary in mind.

It is also a given that a former QB would realize the need for a speed guy. I like Kyle Williams but his injury history and lack of size concerns me. That leads me to invest an additional choice in a speed guy as well.

The problem with all this is that we also need a RG/center in a big way. If we are to beat the top teams, we need more strength than Snyder/Goodwin can provide.

Konz or Decastro are the only interior guys I would take in the first, if they are gone we can wait
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
There seems to be some agreement emerging here already: We need both a tall, rangy guy who can make the tough catch in the end zone (think Jimmy Graham) and a speed guy who can take the lid off the defense.

I am fully convinced Harbaugh realizes the need for a big guy. Why else would he have taken a chance on Braylon Edwards, a guy with known character issues.

Seattle has a huge secondary that is built to defend the tall guy, and they also have some speed back there as well. They are an improving team and if we are going to beat them, we need to keep the size of that secondary in mind.

It is also a given that a former QB would realize the need for a speed guy. I like Kyle Williams but his injury history and lack of size concerns me. That leads me to invest an additional choice in a speed guy as well.

The problem with all this is that we also need a RG/center in a big way. If we are to beat the top teams, we need more strength than Snyder/Goodwin can provide.

Konz or Decastro are the only interior guys I would take in the first, if they are gone we can wait
Ideally I would hope for the big guy at #1. RG in the 2nd. Speed in the 3rd. I'll trade up 6-10 spots at any time to get the guy I want.
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Free agency will be loaded with good WR's, I'd rather fill that need before the draft, I think we end up with Meechum
resign Morgan and Ginn

SE- Meechum, Morgan
FL- Crabtree, Williams
Ginn and a late round rookie, who will mostly be inactive ( maybe Kaps Nevada teamate R.Mathews)
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
There seems to be some agreement emerging here already: We need both a tall, rangy guy who can make the tough catch in the end zone (think Jimmy Graham) and a speed guy who can take the lid off the defense.

I am fully convinced Harbaugh realizes the need for a big guy. Why else would he have taken a chance on Braylon Edwards, a guy with known character issues.

Seattle has a huge secondary that is built to defend the tall guy, and they also have some speed back there as well. They are an improving team and if we are going to beat them, we need to keep the size of that secondary in mind.

It is also a given that a former QB would realize the need for a speed guy. I like Kyle Williams but his injury history and lack of size concerns me. That leads me to invest an additional choice in a speed guy as well.

The problem with all this is that we also need a RG/center in a big way. If we are to beat the top teams, we need more strength than Snyder/Goodwin can provide.

Konz or Decastro are the only interior guys I would take in the first, if they are gone we can wait
Ideally I would hope for the big guy at #1. RG in the 2nd. Speed in the 3rd. I'll trade up 6-10 spots at any time to get the guy I want.


my agenda all year...

trade back get an additional 2nd and 3rd. Go WR-OG/C, in the 2nd. Go OLB-DB, in the 3rd.
I want the guy with the best hands and body control, Vernon is tall and strong but cant snatch the ball out of the air. Since this season has been such a success I havent researched the upcoming draft prospects. So I'm really looking forward to threads from OTC and Jreff
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
There seems to be some agreement emerging here already: We need both a tall, rangy guy who can make the tough catch in the end zone (think Jimmy Graham) and a speed guy who can take the lid off the defense.

I am fully convinced Harbaugh realizes the need for a big guy. Why else would he have taken a chance on Braylon Edwards, a guy with known character issues.

Seattle has a huge secondary that is built to defend the tall guy, and they also have some speed back there as well. They are an improving team and if we are going to beat them, we need to keep the size of that secondary in mind.

It is also a given that a former QB would realize the need for a speed guy. I like Kyle Williams but his injury history and lack of size concerns me. That leads me to invest an additional choice in a speed guy as well.

The problem with all this is that we also need a RG/center in a big way. If we are to beat the top teams, we need more strength than Snyder/Goodwin can provide.

Konz or Decastro are the only interior guys I would take in the first, if they are gone we can wait
Ideally I would hope for the big guy at #1. RG in the 2nd. Speed in the 3rd. I'll trade up 6-10 spots at any time to get the guy I want.


my agenda all year...

trade back get an additional 2nd and 3rd. Go WR-OG/C, in the 2nd. Go OLB-DB, in the 3rd.

I could see that approach based on how the picks fall. If I were Baalke, I would go into the draft with multiple scenarios in mind (I'm sure he does that) and see which one works the best. The WR will be the trickiest because of the need for both a big guy and a speed receiver. If the opportunity arose to move up to grab a big AND fast guy, I would not hesitate. However, if that does not materialize, then a move back would be in order. It appears, from what little research I have done, that a smaller fast guy will be more available than a big fast guy. If that is the way it falls, then I would definitely move back and try to pick up an extra 2nd.

Of course a lot of this depends on where we pick. I hope we pick 32, which would make a move up VERY expensive. However, we might pick as high as 23 which would make it more feasible.