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Coby Fleener - TE Stanford

Originally posted by SF69ers:
So you're choosing Fleener mainly cuz of his history in Harbaugh's offense, correct? You don't think Harbaugh could get the best out of Egnew or Green? Two talented tight ends in their own rights.

Nope, Fleener is a flat-out better prospect than those guys. Egnew is slow as f**k getting into his routes, not sharp into making his cuts, Green is much more of a WR than TE, he'd need to improve a lot as a blocker, he'd also need to pack on additional weight. These are both guys who would need time to develop, Fleener would be ready to contribute starting Week 1, that's the difference.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
So you're choosing Fleener mainly cuz of his history in Harbaugh's offense, correct? You don't think Harbaugh could get the best out of Egnew or Green? Two talented tight ends in their own rights.

Nope, Fleener is a flat-out better prospect than those guys. Egnew is slow as f**k getting into his routes, not sharp into making his cuts, Green is much more of a WR than TE, he'd need to improve a lot as a blocker, he'd also need to pack on additional weight. These are both guys who would need time to develop, Fleener would be ready to contribute starting Week 1, that's the difference.

Green was at 240 lbs during the Senior Bowl. I think he can continue to fill out that 6'6'' frame once he starts hitting the weight room.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Green was at 240 lbs during the Senior Bowl. I think he can continue to fill out that 6'6'' frame once he starts hitting the weight room.

And hopefully learns to block...etc...etc. Or you've got a guy who is game-ready right now and also has a high ceiling as well. If Harbaugh is comfortable with the guy and sees him as BPA when they pick at 30, why not?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Green was at 240 lbs during the Senior Bowl. I think he can continue to fill out that 6'6'' frame once he starts hitting the weight room.

And hopefully learns to block...etc...etc. Or you've got a guy who is game-ready right now and also has a high ceiling as well. If Harbaugh is comfortable with the guy and sees him as BPA when they pick at 30, why not?

You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.

I disagree. I think you'll see the Broncos possibly looking at Allen, I also think Green Bay and the Giants will both be looking at tight-ends possibly in the first round. Its just like the Aldon Smith pick last year, if your guy is there, and you want him, you don't try to get cute and start trading around. Tight-ends played major roles this year in football and since the NFL is an ultimate "me-too" league, you're going to see other teams try and jump in on the action.


I feel that way about anyone they're looking at, whether it be Fleener or Sanu or whomever, if he's there, you go ahead and draft him right away.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM ]
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.

I disagree. I think you'll see the Broncos possibly looking at Allen, I also think Green Bay and the Giants will both be looking at tight-ends possibly in the first round. Its just like the Aldon Smith pick last year, if your guy is there, and you want him, you don't try to get cute and start trading around. Tight-ends played major roles this year in football and since the NFL is an ultimate "me-too" league, you're going to see other teams try and jump in on the action.


I feel that way about anyone they're looking at, whether it be Fleener or Sanu or whomever, if he's there, you go ahead and draft him right away.
I agree with this a million times. People said the same thing after the aldon pick, "oh he's a reach we should have traded back", if he's the best guy on YOUR team's board, then get him where you can. What are you going to do if you gain a mid/late pick but lose your guy?
Originally posted by SF69ers:
You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.

disagree. I think the Colts pair him w/Luck if he makes it to 34. W/ Dallas Clark always hurt and getting expensive, it makes too much sense to give your new Franchise a comfortable big target that can also get downfield
Originally posted by mike:
I agree with this a million times. People said the same thing after the aldon pick, "oh he's a reach we should have traded back", if he's the best guy on YOUR team's board, then get him where you can. What are you going to do if you gain a mid/late pick but lose your guy?

+1 I don't believe in reaching for need if the value is not there on your board, but if the guy on top of your board is there, you gotta take him, regardless of where he is projected. I think Baalke agrees because he says "trust your board" quite a bit. You can't bet on your guy sliding, because you don't know what the other team's board says.
its comical when people say a team should just trade down and get more picks instead of reaching for a player. its not that easy
Originally posted by schmons:
its comical when people say a team should just trade down and get more picks instead of reaching for a player. its not that easy

It is on Madden. If you misjudge what picks the other team is going to make you simply turn on Commissioner Mode and force them to trade that guy to you for $5 and a mocha latte.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by schmons:
its comical when people say a team should just trade down and get more picks instead of reaching for a player. its not that easy

It is on Madden. If you misjudge what picks the other team is going to make you simply turn on Commissioner Mode and force them to trade that guy to you for $5 and a mocha latte.


or you can convert an OLB to DE and make him a 90+ and rape the team in a trade
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.

I disagree. I think you'll see the Broncos possibly looking at Allen, I also think Green Bay and the Giants will both be looking at tight-ends possibly in the first round. Its just like the Aldon Smith pick last year, if your guy is there, and you want him, you don't try to get cute and start trading around. Tight-ends played major roles this year in football and since the NFL is an ultimate "me-too" league, you're going to see other teams try and jump in on the action.


I feel that way about anyone they're looking at, whether it be Fleener or Sanu or whomever, if he's there, you go ahead and draft him right away.

I guess we'll never know. IMO, I don't think any of the TEs are really worth a top 25 pick. Denver could be a possibility mainly because Tebow needs help, but they can also look at running back. GB could most likely franchise Jermichael but everyone knows they need help on defense, not offense. The Giants have the luxury to go anywhere, but I see them upgrading their linebacking core (maybe Zach Brown), although it all depends on what happens to Ballard.


Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
You're right, why not? I look at our team and think that we're a couple pieces away from being SB contenders. We're a playmaker away on offense, I think. Whether it be Dwayne Allen or Fleener or even waiting it out for Green, I think we have the coaching staff to be able to develop them correctly.

Regardless, if the FO really wanted Fleener, I hope we trade down and accumulate more picks. I just don't see any TEs getting selected in the 1st. The closest one to getting selected first is Allen.

disagree. I think the Colts pair him w/Luck if he makes it to 34. W/ Dallas Clark always hurt and getting expensive, it makes too much sense to give your new Franchise a comfortable big target that can also get downfield


So what exactly do you disagree about? I said that no TEs are of a 1st round value at this point with so many talented corners and defensive linemen in the 1st round. So you disagreed cuz you think the Colts go with a TE in the 2nd round? I agree with you there.


Originally posted by schmons:
its comical when people say a team should just trade down and get more picks instead of reaching for a player. its not that easy

Of course it's not that easy. Never said it was, but our team has traded around before. The Patriots trade down ALL THE TIME. If we have an opportunity to accumulate more picks, especially in this draft where the talent is so high, I do it.
good thing is we dont need a TE to block so we can get a TE that sucks at blocking but good at recieving

therefore it would benefit our offense the most to go WR in 1st and get green or another TE in rounds 3-5
I do think that Baalke targets guys that he thinks can impact right away. Trading up or down or whatever. He moved up to grab A. Davis when singltery was here. Last year he moved up and grabbed Kaep and an O-linemen, Kilgore??? That shows they had a specific guy in mind and they were willing to trade other picks to get that one guy. They also wanted the fullback from Stanford but didn't get him. Either they didn't have enough ammo left to trade or they felt that a guy like Bruce Miller could still get the job down.

Either way, Iupati and Davis were immediate impacts. Culiver, Aldon and Bruce were as well. Even Hunter and some others were impacts in year one. A lot of us said that certain picks were a reach or wouldn't be ready for a couple of years. We did the same in FA. The only guy that didn't seem to work was Braylon. I don't know if we will go Fleener (Ihope we do), but if they did, it would make sense how he fits their mold of unconvential offense, mismatch guy, and immediate impact player in year one. If we go wr, it might be like the Aldon pick where we talked about a lot of guys and they picked a guy we didn't see coming.
I'm happy to see so many Zoners realizing why he'd be a terrific pick...should be available in 2nd rd, too. One of Harbaugh's jewels he recruited at Stanford...already knows his offensive system. Makes sense from every aspect.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I guess we'll never know. IMO, I don't think any of the TEs are really worth a top 25 pick. Denver could be a possibility mainly because Tebow needs help, but they can also look at running back. GB could most likely franchise Jermichael but everyone knows they need help on defense, not offense. The Giants have the luxury to go anywhere, but I see them upgrading their linebacking core (maybe Zach Brown), although it all depends on what happens to Ballard.



So what exactly do you disagree about? I said that no TEs are of a 1st round value at this point with so many talented corners and defensive linemen in the 1st round. So you disagreed cuz you think the Colts go with a TE in the 2nd round? I agree with you there.



Of course it's not that easy. Never said it was, but our team has traded around before. The Patriots trade down ALL THE TIME. If we have an opportunity to accumulate more picks, especially in this draft where the talent is so high, I do it.

from #30 to #34 doesn't leave a lot of room to trade down. I disagree that the 49ers could trade down and still get Fleener, if that was their goal. I obviously don't know that the Colts would take Fleener, but it sure would make a lot of sense if they did
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