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2012 49ers Needs and Prospects That Could Fill Them

Originally posted by jreff22:
would we really want to burn another high pick on the OL?

Yes. The OL is probably the most glaring area of need (even more than the secondary) for this team and a good OL is absolutely essential if a team wants to be a perennial contender.

Even with a porous secondary, the team is competitive defensively. However, as long as that OL is mediocre or worse, the team will have an offense that ranks in the lower third of the league...and that simply won't cut it.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Yea, I just hope they televise more Baylor games. Griffin to Wright has been fun to watch.

I hope so too. I especially love watching Griffin
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If we can get our hands on Wisconsin center, Peter Konz, then we have a special player next to Mike Iupati. Konz is so big and mobile that it is scary. Could be a top 20 selection by draft day if he decides to come out. Best interior lineman in the draft, and it may not be close.

I'm with you, MD.... The Niners need to address their OL long term and that means across the board upgrades. Moving Staley to RT and finding someone (FA?) to play LT would also be nice.
Originally posted by saniner:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Yea, I just hope they televise more Baylor games. Griffin to Wright has been fun to watch.

I hope so too. I especially love watching Griffin

I know we have Kap and Tolzien to develop, but if Griffin somehow falls to the 3rd, it'd be hard to pass on him.
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I still don't understand why we don't elect to try Culliver at Free Safety. I know he has the ability to DEVELOP into a solid corner possibly, but at safety the transition would be much quicker I believe for him. He has great closing speed. He may not be the hitter that Goldson is, but he can cover.

Completely agree... When Culliver played FS in college, he did a fine job, so he already feels comfortable at that position. I think the reasons the Niners switched him to CB were several:
1) his speed
2) his athletic ability in general
3) his grasp of the position when he was interviewed before the draft
4) the fact that Nate Clements' future with the team was in doubt and at the time, they hadn't yet signed Rogers. They needed a big CB in a division that included Larry Fitzgerald.

Next year in training camp, depending on who is drafted, the team may decide that Culliver is a better fit at S.

That being said, Culliver seems to be doing a pretty good job at CB (especially for a rookie who is changing positions) and since it is so difficult to find talented, speedy, tall CBs these days, the team may decide they are better off keeping him on the edge.

In any case, the Niners got a player that will certainly help them going forward and if he develops, could be a real special player.

Agree. Hope to see more of Culliver
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by jreff22:
would we really want to burn another high pick on the OL?

Yes. The OL is probably the most glaring area of need (even more than the secondary) for this team and a good OL is absolutely essential if a team wants to be a perennial contender.

Even with a porous secondary, the team is competitive defensively. However, as long as that OL is mediocre or worse, the team will have an offense that ranks in the lower third of the league...and that simply won't cut it.

The OL has been a glaring need for the past few years, we keep drafting 1st round players and we keep having issues. I would rather develop a guy and save the high picks for "sexy" positions.
My biggest potential needs.

Position: FS
FA's: Reggie Smith, Dashon Goldson

If neither are back then FS is a huge need. That would leave CJ Spillman at FS. If either is back I would hope Goldson for a reasonable price but long ways to go to see if he is worthy even though he is playing decent so far.

Position: WR
FA's: Braylon Edwards, Joshua Morgan

If neither are back it is our #1 need IMO. That would leave us Crabtree, Ginn Jr and Kyle Williams. Doubt Edwards wants to be back and Morgan not sure I want him back. Probably would take him for a reasonable price but we need an upgrade if Edwards leaves.

Position CB:
Carlos Rogers, Tramaine Brock (ERFA...only have to offer minimum terms one year)

Would be dumb not to ask Brock back for dirt cheap. I hope Rogers resigns for a reasonable price. If he doesn't resign then it is a top need. If he does we have a solid core in Rogers, Spencer, Brock, Culliver and Brown. I still wouldn't mind a high pick because Spencer is a FA after 2012 and we would have the same core as this year who still is giving up big yardage.

Position: OLB
FA's: Ahmad Brooks

I expect Brooks to get signed long term some time this year. Wish he would fix his offsides problem though. Anyways, Aldon is long term and Parys is ok for now. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at #3 OLB (parys) and a #4 OLB.

Position: RG/C
FA's: Adam Snyder, Chilo Rachal, Chase Beeler?

Goodwin is doing decent and who knows if Beeler is the future but could be upgraded. As for guard might be best to leave Snyder and Rachal go and put Kilgore in next year. Might be best to get a backup if we let Snyder/Rachal go.

Position: QB
FA's: Alex Smith, Scott Tolzien?

We will see how Alex does the rest of the season and potentially in the playoffs. If we want him back he probably resigns with us. If not then we might want to look at a veteran to help Kaepernick and Tolzien. Doubt we just throw Kaepernick aside and go for another high QB.

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Not Needs/Minor Needs:
*DE - Might be able to use another DL. Justin Smith is getting up there but should have a few years left in the tank. Tukuafu, Dobbs and Ricky Jean-Francois as backups to Smith and Ray McDonald. 3rd/4th DE Upgrade?
*NT - Sopoaga is doing a great job filling in for Franklin. So far we haven't missed a beat. He is signed for 2 more years. Might need a backup but I think Ian Williams will get developed for the future.
*RB - Hard to believe Gore won't be here next year even if it is splitting carries with Hunter (who looks like the future). Might need a 3rd RB if we decide to upgrade from Dixon.
*TE - Byham will probably be back next year but at most we need a #3. Wouldn't worry about it in the draft.
*SS - I think Whitner is locked in for 3 or so years or at least as long as he can stay healthy and productive. Maybe a backup SS if Reggie Smith isn't re-signed. Have Colin Jones as a possiblity.
*ILB - Might need #4 ILB behind Willis, Bowman and Larry Grant. We have Gooden but Grant is backing up both spots.
*FB - Bruce Miller looks pretty good for a converted OLB. Still wish I could have seen what he could do at OLB.
*T/LG - With Alex Boone, Joe Staley and Anthony Davis we should have 2 tackles there. I think we might be best off in the long run if AD doesn't work out at RT to make him RG and Boone LT and Staley RT. Behind them Mike Person I believe is in at #4 tackle. Iupati is locked in at LG.
If we keep all our worthy free agents, Goldson, Edwards CB and then WR should be our 1,2
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'll refrain from setting grades on these players, but will just list these players out so you can get an idea of at least who I think we could be targeting in the draft this year. The top positions of course are: CB, FS, OLB, OG/C, and WR. I'm not listing QB because there's already a thread on that, and who knows if we'll take anyone at this point because we haven't seen what Smith will do this season, and/or if they're passing on QB no matter what, to stick with Colin.

So anyways, here are 2-3 prospects for each position of need, that I'd like to key in on:

Cornerback:
Donnie Fletcher, Boston College -- Tough son of a gun, and a very productive corner for BC.
Chase Minnifield, Virginia -- Currently predicted to go in the late 1st or 2nd round by many.


Free Safety:
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma St. -- Seen by many as the best senior FS in this class.
Jerrell Young, USF -- Currently a later round guy, but has had a knack for making plays.


Guard/Centers:
Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin -- We all know how well-coached Wisconsin OL are.
Philip Blake, Baylor -- Instrumental to the success of Robert Griffin. Middle round guy currently. Could be considered for some awards/all-star invites after the season.


OLB Pass-Rushers:
Brandon Lindsey, Pitt -- Has improved every year, and stepped up big in the place of Romeus last year. Already has 3 sacks this season.
Vinny Curry, Marshall -- Had 12 sacks and 18 TFL last year. Big man (6-3 263 4.74). If he times well, 3-4 teams will be all over this guy.


Wide Receivers:
Dwight Jones, North Carolina -- Big receiver, having a great year.
Nick Toon, Wisconsin -- Big receiver, having a great year.
Michael Floyd, Notre Dame -- Character concerns, but again.. Big receiver, having a great year. (See a trend?)

We need a big receiver who creates a mismatch easily on smaller corners.


So there's my list. Watch these players.


If our season continues as it has been going, then we should likely be picking anywhere from the middle to the end of the first round. That to me is the best thing about this list, all of these guys should fall into that range. Personally I am locked into WR and CB as our needs. I give a slight edge to WR as I do not expect Braylon back. I really like the WR options listed on this list, although I would lean towards Floyd and add Jeff Fuller(His dad of the same name played SS for the 9ers) to that list. Toon and Jones are intersting as well, but I just don't know enough about them yet. You make an interseting quip about Nick's name, but once you realize who is dad is (Al Toon) I doubt anyone is laughing. Of the CB's I am intriged most by Minnifeild .
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Maybe because of health issues to Spencer, and Culliver has shown big upside on the outside

The front office did the same thing with Reggie Smith before transitioning him to safety.

I agree though, Culliver should be seeing time at FS. Maybe if we draft a corner early and resign Rogers, we will move him to FS.

CB: Spencer/Rookie/Brown
CB: Rogers/Brock
FS: Culliver/FA
SS: Whitner/Smith

Good speed and experience in that secondary.

I like him better at CB, I dont really care if he can play right away at FS because I think he can play long term at CB. He has good hips, athleticism, and IMO will be a good cover guy. Out of my FS I rather have a ball hawk play makinf type of player.


I agree with this. I see Cully as a CB now.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Maybe because of health issues to Spencer, and Culliver has shown big upside on the outside

The front office did the same thing with Reggie Smith before transitioning him to safety.

I agree though, Culliver should be seeing time at FS. Maybe if we draft a corner early and resign Rogers, we will move him to FS.

CB: Spencer/Rookie/Brown
CB: Rogers/Brock
FS: Culliver/FA
SS: Whitner/Smith

Good speed and experience in that secondary.

I like him better at CB, I dont really care if he can play right away at FS because I think he can play long term at CB. He has good hips, athleticism, and IMO will be a good cover guy. Out of my FS I rather have a ball hawk play makinf type of player.


I agree with this. I see Cully as a CB now.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm beginning to key on Dwight Jones as who I want as a 9er next year. I think hes a very similar receiver to Greg Little and would love to see that lined up next to Braylon next year if re-signed. Sorry people just not a fan of Crabtree right now, if I had it my way, I'd move on from him next year. But yah, rebuild the secondary or add to Whitner, Rogers and Spencer and draft Dwight Jones, the end.

Don't agree on your opinion on Crabtree, but I am on the same boat with you on Dwight Jones. I was a HUGE fan of Greg Little, and having his old teammate would be fine with me. He doesn't break tackles as well as Little, but the guy is definitely a better route runner at this point.

Crabtree has so much talent, but he's been half assing most of his career, and I think a big reason for that is the HC. Harbaugh is the type of coach that players love the play for. Singletary was the type of coach that wanted his players to make plays or else.

I am holding out hope for Crabs, but I still don't think he is anything more than a possesion receiver. There is a place for a player of those skills, but we need an explosive guy on the other side al la Floyd, Toon, or Jones.
I still feel we should had a db in FA like Brent grimes or very possibly Rodgers-cromartie have culliver as the 3rd db and bracket and brown as 4 and 5 then we draft a wr. I thnk crabs is great and just waiting to break out for the team butwe need that huge fast guy like Fitzgerald or megatron.
All this talk about drafting a FS. Are we ruling out the possibilty of re-signing Goldson? Or do you guys not want him back? Just curious.
Originally posted by goodthings19:
All this talk about drafting a FS. Are we ruling out the possibilty of re-signing Goldson? Or do you guys not want him back? Just curious.

Yeah I want him back honestly. He's playing really well right now.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Yeah I want him back honestly. He's playing really well right now.

Yeah, he is playing almost like his 09 self but we need some ints out of him. He did have the one forced fumble. Only problem is would he let down after a big contract. Also, does he still think he is worth Eric Weddle 40 million dollar contract or will he settle. I would offer something like 3-5 years at 4-5 million a year. Maybe something like 3 years 15 million, 4 years 18 million or 5 years 20 million. I know we offered him 5 years 25 million that he turned down to test the market. I'd top out at like 5 years 20-22 million. Otherwise, I would draft his replacement early in the draft. Also, wondering if we want Reggie Smith back. Personally, I would be fine without him.