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2012 49ers Needs and Prospects That Could Fill Them

  • sfout
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Yo OTC you think we dump Dixon and go after another RB?

No. He's good as a 3rd RB, and his ST's ability increase his value even further. He's not going anywhere, in my opinion. Those who argue that we need a RB because of Gore being 28 -- I just don't know what the deal is with this idea... McGahee is what, 31? And he's tearing it up in Denver.

Gore will be fine. When he is no longer able to play, Kendall Hunter WILL be able to take over as the starter. The team has repeatedly stated he is NOT a change-of-pace back. The league sees him as that, just because Gore gets all the carries right now, but our coaches and GM view Hunter as an every-down back. And so do I. He was a monster in college and does everything right that you can ask for in a RB - Blitz pickup, pass catching, outside running, great vision, inside running, ALWAYS keeps his feet moving. He is the complete package and I will not stop vouching for him as the starter of the future.


I like Dixon but don't trust him in a majority carry role.....what are your thoughts on Chris Polk? If we went after another RB I would like to target this kid!!

Polk is working his way into a sure day 1 prospect and thats even if he declares early. unless something major happens to Gore in the next 3 months there is no way we go after a day 1 rb, not to mention I agree with OTC that Hunter is the starter of the future and once Gore retires or cedes the starting role we will get at least one long term deal out of Hunter before we even think about drafting another big play rb
[ Edited by sfout on Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM ]
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Yo OTC you think we dump Dixon and go after another RB?

No. He's good as a 3rd RB, and his ST's ability increase his value even further. He's not going anywhere, in my opinion. Those who argue that we need a RB because of Gore being 28 -- I just don't know what the deal is with this idea... McGahee is what, 31? And he's tearing it up in Denver.

Gore will be fine. When he is no longer able to play, Kendall Hunter WILL be able to take over as the starter. The team has repeatedly stated he is NOT a change-of-pace back. The league sees him as that, just because Gore gets all the carries right now, but our coaches and GM view Hunter as an every-down back. And so do I. He was a monster in college and does everything right that you can ask for in a RB - Blitz pickup, pass catching, outside running, great vision, inside running, ALWAYS keeps his feet moving. He is the complete package and I will not stop vouching for him as the starter of the future.


I like Dixon but don't trust him in a majority carry role.....what are your thoughts on Chris Polk? If we went after another RB I would like to target this kid!!

Polk is working his way into a sure day 1 prospect and thats even if he declares early. unless something major happens to Gore in the next 3 months there is no way we go after a day 1 rb, not to mention I agree with OTC that Hunter is the starter of the future and once Gore retires or cedes the starting role we will get at least one long term deal out of Hunter before we even think about drafting another big play rb


I think Polk slips to the 2nd, but its still early anything can happen
  • buck
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Offensive Guard

I want the team to draft David Castro, but we would have to trade-up to get him.

Wide Receiver

Braylon Edwards, Josh Morgan, and Ted Ginn will be free agents. Even if we keep all three, we should use at least one high pick on a wide receiver. In my mind, Ginn is more a return specialist than a wide receiver.

Kendall Wright WR Baylor 5-10 190 4.42

We need speed. Wright has 66 catches of 874 yards and 9 scores. (see OTC's comments about Wright in this thread.)

OLB

We are thin, perhaps dangerously so, at OLB. There are only three outside linebacker on the squad—Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson, and Aldon Smith and of those, Brooks, will be a free agent. Brooks should be extended, but given our lack of depth and the importance of the position, we should get another OLB. I see two options: Whitney Mercilus and Vinny Curry.

Whitney Mercilus Illinois 6-3 262 4.68
Vinny Curry Marshall 6-3 263 4.74

Mercilus has 11.5 sacks and 16.5 tackles for a loss. (Love his last name).
Curry has 10.5 sacks and 18 sacks.

NOTE: Both Mercilus and Curry have six forced fumbles this year!!!

If we could get Castro, Wright and either Curry or Mercilus in the first two rounds, I would be one happy man.

To get this done, we would have to use our first round pick in 2013 and this year's third round pick to trade up for a second first round pick. We do that and then we pick Castro and Wright in the first and Curry in the second. Trading up for a guard may sound strange, but the bottom line is that Castro is going to be exceptional--at least in my opinion.

That leaves us with picks in the 4th and later rounds. I think we will get a 4th round comp pick.

We use our two fourth rounds picks on the defensive backfield.

Corner Back

Carlos Rodgers will be a free agent. We should resign him. We can do well next year with Carlos Rodgers, Tarell Brown, and Chris Culliver at cornerback. Do not forget that Tramaine Brock could end up being a good player.

Free Safety

Dashon Goldson and Reggie Smith will be free agents next year. I think we have to wait and see what happens in the last half of the season. Dashon Goldson has come up with two picks in the last two games. If we do not extend Goldson, and I suspect that we won't, we will need to get a free safety. The problem is that this year's class of free safeties is not that strong. My guess is that we will resign Reggie Smith, and look for another FS later in the draft.

In the fourth, we take:

Desmond Trufant CB Washington 6-0 185 4.49

Has good speed. 11 passed defended with two interceptions.

Aaron Henry FS Wisconsin 6-0 210 4.52

In his career, Henry has 5 picks and 16 passes defended. He also can return punts.
[ Edited by buck on Nov 12, 2011 at 6:54 AM ]
  • Envy
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I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.
  • sfout
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Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
because outside of those two we dont have any proven 3-4 DE pass rushers
  • Kolohe
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
because outside of those two we dont have any proven 3-4 DE pass rushers

DE's in a 3-4 aren't meant to be pass-rushers, their main priority is to control the line of scrimmage and stop the run allowing LB's to roam free. But I gotta agree with sfout, 3-4 DE doesn't need immediate attention at this time, RJF and Dobbs are very serviceable right now. If anything free agency will help with the added depth or competition.

Right now we should continue to rebuild the secondary, Brown is shaky on the right-side, Spencer can't stay healthy and Goldson is soft in coverage, always has been.
  • Envy
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
because outside of those two we dont have any proven 3-4 DE pass rushers

DE's in a 3-4 aren't meant to be pass-rushers, their main priority is to control the line of scrimmage and stop the run allowing LB's to roam free. But I gotta agree with sfout, 3-4 DE doesn't need immediate attention at this time, RJF and Dobbs are very serviceable right now. If anything free agency will help with the added depth or competition.

Right now we should continue to rebuild the secondary, Brown is shaky on the right-side, Spencer can't stay healthy and Goldson is soft in coverage, always has been.

I appreciate that we have greater needs but I think that we run the risk of being negligent if we do not ensure the production at the DL remains. Yes Smith is playing out of his skin but he is one man. We cannot allow ourselves to rely on one player so much. Even a every snap lineman.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
because outside of those two we dont have any proven 3-4 DE pass rushers

DE's in a 3-4 aren't meant to be pass-rushers, their main priority is to control the line of scrimmage and stop the run allowing LB's to roam free. But I gotta agree with sfout, 3-4 DE doesn't need immediate attention at this time, RJF and Dobbs are very serviceable right now. If anything free agency will help with the added depth or competition.

Right now we should continue to rebuild the secondary, Brown is shaky on the right-side, Spencer can't stay healthy and Goldson is soft in coverage, always has been.

i know and i agree with you

but both mcdonald and justin smith double as pass rushers they both get and put significant amount of pressure on the qb we saw our pass rush take a hit last week when mcdonald was out we didnt put much pressure on beck at all

and i agree i dont mind filling that spot up in FA or maybe dobbs can be that guy (RJF is more of a NT than a DE )
but as of now harbaugh and out d line coach ( if i type it i will misspell his name) dont feel like dobbs is ready as they didnt put him in

either way our 3-4 DE depth is lacking and as it is the most physical position in the game we need to address it it will not only keep our players more fresh during the game there will be less chance of injury and less wear and tear as the season goes on


as for our secondary i agree with you brown is just not starter material

i have to disagree with goldson however --yes the position of FS can be upgraded but hes doing a fine job forcing fumbles and he is pretty smart in coverage and hes pretty athlethic we have the best DB coach in the nfl now let him work with goldson i think he will be an above average FS

in this draft i want a starting WR (if braylon leaves)
a CB
DE depth
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Envy:
I think we need to draft a 3-4 DE also. Crick looks a Smith prototype.

Why do we need a 3-4 de right now? Smith is playing as hard as ever and we just signed Ray Mac to a long term deal. I'm all for a pre-emptive draft pick but Crick would seem like a waste unless we started playing a lot more 4-3 packages and slide ray mac or justin inside and put crick on the outside. I'd say wait until Smith starts to show some rust then draft a DE that year, right now he is on fire and i just see the logic of taking a 3-4 DE with our first pick, now if Crick's injury makes his stock tumble a bit to late second round/early 3rd I'd be all about taking Crick....
because outside of those two we dont have any proven 3-4 DE pass rushers

DE's in a 3-4 aren't meant to be pass-rushers, their main priority is to control the line of scrimmage and stop the run allowing LB's to roam free. But I gotta agree with sfout, 3-4 DE doesn't need immediate attention at this time, RJF and Dobbs are very serviceable right now. If anything free agency will help with the added depth or competition.

Right now we should continue to rebuild the secondary, Brown is shaky on the right-side, Spencer can't stay healthy and Goldson is soft in coverage, always has been.

i know and i agree with you

but both mcdonald and justin smith double as pass rushers they both get and put significant amount of pressure on the qb we saw our pass rush take a hit last week when mcdonald was out we didnt put much pressure on beck at all

and i agree i dont mind filling that spot up in FA or maybe dobbs can be that guy (RJF is more of a NT than a DE )
but as of now harbaugh and out d line coach ( if i type it i will misspell his name) dont feel like dobbs is ready as they didnt put him in

either way our 3-4 DE depth is lacking and as it is the most physical position in the game we need to address it it will not only keep our players more fresh during the game there will be less chance of injury and less wear and tear as the season goes on


as for our secondary i agree with you brown is just not starter material

i have to disagree with goldson however --yes the position of FS can be upgraded but hes doing a fine job forcing fumbles and he is pretty smart in coverage and hes pretty athlethic we have the best DB coach in the nfl now let him work with goldson i think he will be an above average FS

in this draft i want a starting WR (if braylon leaves)
a CB
DE depth

As of right now, I think we are just fine on the D-line, learning the D-line and its assignments in a 3-4 takes time so I'd rather just let Tomsula develop the young ones.

But as for Goldson, aside from his forced fumbles and jaw dropping hits, I just think hes out of position way too much in coverage or really just don't think hes much of a FS and really think hes more of a box safety. I wanna see a FS play the ball more than hes will to make the youtube hits, someone you can just leave out on an island, Goldson just doesn't seem to have the range for that.
Some guys to look at in the first 3 rounds that I think we have a shot at in those rounds. Bold are my favorites.

1st Round: CB Chase Minnifield Virginia, TE Colby Fleene Stanford, WR Kendall Wright Baylor
2nd Round: OLB Ronnell Lewis Oklahoma, CB Brandon Boykin Georgia, WR Jarius Wright Arkansas
3rd Round: OG Antoine McClain Clemson, WR Rishard Matthews Nevada, NT Josh Chapman Alabama
I watched Ta'amu against SC yesterday and again I wasn't impressed with him. He's second round talent at best imo.
What a great position to be in for the upcoming draft compared to previous years.

A great coaching staff can make a huge difference in player performance.

I think we are done with drafting oline unless somebody falls that we just can't pass up, but don't see that happening. Kilgore, Boone and Pearson are gonna be pushing this years starters in the very near future, so I think we are set.

I have 3 areas of concern or maybe just areas that need an slight upgrade.

1. WR.) Will Crabs continune to improve or will injuries keep him from his full potential, who knows at this point. Ginn is a great return guy but has limited hands as a wr, Morgan is a solid 2-3 guy for most teams and I love Edwards but don't know if he'll stay.

2. CB.) If Spencer could stay healthy and Culliver develops, then we are in decent shape but those are 2 big if's.

3. Pass rush.) We are very inconsistant in this department. Aldon is gonna be great but Brooks is very "on and off" and as a unit we sometimes get very little pressure when we have to have it (see the Giants game).

Havn't spent the time to make picks yet but am very excited about our prospects.