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Mel Kiper mock

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be shocked if the Niners picked Quinn. Not a high character guy, and in a position that is not as necessary as CB. The pick in this mock would probably be Prince, or Newton.

We have tried to build a team on character...it has proven that it aint working with us. We need to get the best player for us regardless of character. IMHO
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
How accurate has Mel's predictions been for us over the last 3 drafts?

In the last 5 years, Mel ranks 3rd in accuracy. Last year he ranked 3rd also. That is pretty good for those of you who say his mocks are crap.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
How accurate has Mel's predictions been for us over the last 3 drafts?

In the last 5 years, Mel ranks 3rd in accuracy. Last year he ranked 3rd also. That is pretty good for those of you who say his mocks are crap.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml

I was one who thought his mocks were crap. Your right though. I'm shocked.
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Quinn took illegal benefits while in college but what other character issues does he have? I doubt taking some money on the side while playing college ball is a major character issue for nfl teams.

I disagree. It speaks to his integrity, his willingness to break well-known rules and put himself over his team and it calls into question his personal motivation (money or football). Again, not saying he's a total scumbag, but these questions need to be answered to the satisfaction of a team that will be paying this kid millions of dollars to play a team sport.

He really didn't put himself over the team because about half the defense took benefits he was just one that got caught taking a bit more. The kid will be making millions so he really shouldn't have much need to take any money on the side had he not gotten caught and still played at the same high level I believe Carolina would draft him with the first pick. That kind of talent is hard to pass up on.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. People like you and me probably couldn't care less about what Quinn did and wouldn't hesitate to have this kind of talent on our team. However, if you're the owner of a football team and you're going to be paying millions of dollars to a top-ten prospect whose violations caused him to miss an entire year, lose his eligibility and get kicked off his college team...trust me, you're going to conduct due diligence on the kid.

That's all I'm saying. It may not be a big deal to you and me, but it will be to NFL teams, and they will put this guy through the ringer to make sure he's a solid citizen (and more importantly, a wise financial investment).
Originally posted by ishkabibel:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
How accurate has Mel's predictions been for us over the last 3 drafts?

In the last 5 years, Mel ranks 3rd in accuracy. Last year he ranked 3rd also. That is pretty good for those of you who say his mocks are crap.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftscoring.shtml

I was one who thought his mocks were crap. Your right though. I'm shocked.

What is even more shocking, is if you go down on that webpage and look at the scores of the people who turned in their final mocks past the deadline, Todd McShay had a higher score last year than Kiper.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Quinn took illegal benefits while in college but what other character issues does he have? I doubt taking some money on the side while playing college ball is a major character issue for nfl teams.

I disagree. It speaks to his integrity, his willingness to break well-known rules and put himself over his team and it calls into question his personal motivation (money or football). Again, not saying he's a total scumbag, but these questions need to be answered to the satisfaction of a team that will be paying this kid millions of dollars to play a team sport.

He really didn't put himself over the team because about half the defense took benefits he was just one that got caught taking a bit more. The kid will be making millions so he really shouldn't have much need to take any money on the side had he not gotten caught and still played at the same high level I believe Carolina would draft him with the first pick. That kind of talent is hard to pass up on.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. People like you and me probably couldn't care less about what Quinn did and wouldn't hesitate to have this kind of talent on our team. However, if you're the owner of a football team and you're going to be paying millions of dollars to a top-ten prospect whose violations caused him to miss an entire year, lose his eligibility and get kicked off his college team...trust me, you're going to conduct due diligence on the kid.

That's all I'm saying. It may not be a big deal to you and me, but it will be to NFL teams, and they will put this guy through the ringer to make sure he's a solid citizen (and more importantly, a wise financial investment).

I'm willing to bet that 90% of your top college players take something illegal by NCAA standards while still in college.
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Quinn took illegal benefits while in college but what other character issues does he have? I doubt taking some money on the side while playing college ball is a major character issue for nfl teams.

I disagree. It speaks to his integrity, his willingness to break well-known rules and put himself over his team and it calls into question his personal motivation (money or football). Again, not saying he's a total scumbag, but these questions need to be answered to the satisfaction of a team that will be paying this kid millions of dollars to play a team sport.

He really didn't put himself over the team because about half the defense took benefits he was just one that got caught taking a bit more. The kid will be making millions so he really shouldn't have much need to take any money on the side had he not gotten caught and still played at the same high level I believe Carolina would draft him with the first pick. That kind of talent is hard to pass up on.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. People like you and me probably couldn't care less about what Quinn did and wouldn't hesitate to have this kind of talent on our team. However, if you're the owner of a football team and you're going to be paying millions of dollars to a top-ten prospect whose violations caused him to miss an entire year, lose his eligibility and get kicked off his college team...trust me, you're going to conduct due diligence on the kid.

That's all I'm saying. It may not be a big deal to you and me, but it will be to NFL teams, and they will put this guy through the ringer to make sure he's a solid citizen (and more importantly, a wise financial investment).

I'm willing to bet that 90% of your top college players take something illegal by NCAA standards while still in college.

True, but how many get caught and are ruled ineligible for an entire season? He did, so he's going to face tougher scrutiny...that's ALL I'm saying.
C'mon Mel we need the Prince not Bob.
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
C'mon Mel we need the Prince not Bob.

They need both.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be shocked if the Niners picked Quinn. Not a high character guy, and in a position that is not as necessary as CB. The pick in this mock would probably be Prince, or Newton.

I agree. Although, I wouldn't be mad as he truly is the type of pass rushing specialist we need. At #7, I see Peterson, Dareus, Gabbert, Amukamara, Quinn, Newton or trade back.

More and more, I like the idea of trading back if those first four are already gone. Can land a 3-4 WILL or a 3-4 DE in the middle to twenties of the round while picking up and extra second or third rounder. I really like this 3-4 DE class. However, there has been points made of Sopoaga's increase in performance this year at DE.

I don't know about Quinn at #7 when Ayers, Von Miller AND Kerrigan all have traits we need for our pass rusher except the other three can be had later.

Is there THAT much of a difference between Quinn and the other validating his Top 10 status?

Who does Quinn compare to the most in the NFL? If there are two players, state them both.
If he is a hybrid between two players, let's us know what you think.

I, personally dont know much about him.
Like always I couldn't disagree with Mel more. I can't see us taking a guy who sat out all of last season. If the draft does fall that way I think we take Prince
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Quinn took illegal benefits while in college but what other character issues does he have? I doubt taking some money on the side while playing college ball is a major character issue for nfl teams.

I disagree. It speaks to his integrity, his willingness to break well-known rules and put himself over his team and it calls into question his personal motivation (money or football). Again, not saying he's a total scumbag, but these questions need to be answered to the satisfaction of a team that will be paying this kid millions of dollars to play a team sport.

He really didn't put himself over the team because about half the defense took benefits he was just one that got caught taking a bit more. The kid will be making millions so he really shouldn't have much need to take any money on the side had he not gotten caught and still played at the same high level I believe Carolina would draft him with the first pick. That kind of talent is hard to pass up on.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. People like you and me probably couldn't care less about what Quinn did and wouldn't hesitate to have this kind of talent on our team. However, if you're the owner of a football team and you're going to be paying millions of dollars to a top-ten prospect whose violations caused him to miss an entire year, lose his eligibility and get kicked off his college team...trust me, you're going to conduct due diligence on the kid.

That's all I'm saying. It may not be a big deal to you and me, but it will be to NFL teams, and they will put this guy through the ringer to make sure he's a solid citizen (and more importantly, a wise financial investment).

Every player gets this even the guys that seem to have no flaws in character. If a team doesn't do this with any player they draft then they are in for problems. I guarantee this topic will be brought up in his interviews at the combine and everywhere else. If a team passes on Quinn because of character flaws it will because they found a bigger issue.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Who does Quinn compare to the most in the NFL? If there are two players, state them both.
If he is a hybrid between two players, let's us know what you think.

I, personally dont know much about him.

Probably a more athletic version of the Cowboys Anthony Spencer, or perhaps a less-skilled version of John Abraham.
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by tstej:
Quinn took illegal benefits while in college but what other character issues does he have? I doubt taking some money on the side while playing college ball is a major character issue for nfl teams.

I disagree. It speaks to his integrity, his willingness to break well-known rules and put himself over his team and it calls into question his personal motivation (money or football). Again, not saying he's a total scumbag, but these questions need to be answered to the satisfaction of a team that will be paying this kid millions of dollars to play a team sport.

He really didn't put himself over the team because about half the defense took benefits he was just one that got caught taking a bit more. The kid will be making millions so he really shouldn't have much need to take any money on the side had he not gotten caught and still played at the same high level I believe Carolina would draft him with the first pick. That kind of talent is hard to pass up on.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. People like you and me probably couldn't care less about what Quinn did and wouldn't hesitate to have this kind of talent on our team. However, if you're the owner of a football team and you're going to be paying millions of dollars to a top-ten prospect whose violations caused him to miss an entire year, lose his eligibility and get kicked off his college team...trust me, you're going to conduct due diligence on the kid.

That's all I'm saying. It may not be a big deal to you and me, but it will be to NFL teams, and they will put this guy through the ringer to make sure he's a solid citizen (and more importantly, a wise financial investment).

Every player gets this even the guys that seem to have no flaws in character. If a team doesn't do this with any player they draft then they are in for problems. I guarantee this topic will be brought up in his interviews at the combine and everywhere else. If a team passes on Quinn because of character flaws it will because they found a bigger issue.

Yah, I'm not saying what happened to Quinn is THEE issue that will make him or break him with teams. I'm saying, what happened opens him up for deeper scrutiny than most and they may not like what they hear from him about that situation...or it could lead to other issues that make him undraftable to some teams.

We're saying the same thing, just putting it differently.