Locker v. Luck, The Great QB Debate

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'll admit i don't watch much college football, but the way people are talking about Locker slipping you'd swear he is having a terrible year. His stats don't look half bad.

Watch him play. The oline looks terrible, the receivers drop the ball, he misses wide open receivers, he is not very accurate, running game carries the offense and he is inconsistent. Coincidence? Sound eerily familiar?

Oops and I forgot, they have to run a vanilla offense.

The team he is on is terrible. Talent around you matters (Locker and WA). And no it's not familiar. Smith dominated at Utah and went undefeated. Check your history here. We are talking about college vs. college. You can't compare pro because he hasn't played a down yet.

This idea that Locker = Smith is the most absurd theme I see day in and day out on the WZ. Locker is 10 times the athlete that Smith is. He has a stronger arm. His as accurate or more so. He has better pocket presense. He has confidence where Smith plays scared. There is no comparison at all.

You are wrong. Locker is not a good QB right now. He is NOT as accurate. HE does have better physical tools, especially his mobility. Smith had confidence in College too. There is no doubt in my mind that Locker will need time to develop. He might turn in to a good player, but if you bring him in to this mess we will see a repeat of the last several years. I think Luck has a better chance at overcoming that stuff, but still... it is alot to overcome for any rookie.

Of course depending on who the new coach is things could improve quickly I suppose...

This isn't really a mess. Right now it looks like one because we have no coach and a young OLine but it's nothing compared to the mess Smith walked into. For one, our young OL should get better next year when they're in a legit scheme and with more experience, possibly add a guy like Logan Mankins or whatever to replace Chilo who is a turnstyle. Then the rookie QB will have a good explosive TE who can open up the middle of the field, a reliable talented WR in Crabtree who can probably run some intermediate routes too. We have a few other weapons like Ginn but we might want to add another legit WR for whoever the new QB would be.

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'll admit i don't watch much college football, but the way people are talking about Locker slipping you'd swear he is having a terrible year. His stats don't look half bad.

Watch him play. The oline looks terrible, the receivers drop the ball, he misses wide open receivers, he is not very accurate, running game carries the offense and he is inconsistent. Coincidence? Sound eerily familiar?

Oops and I forgot, they have to run a vanilla offense.

The team he is on is terrible. Talent around you matters (Locker and WA). And no it's not familiar. Smith dominated at Utah and went undefeated. Check your history here. We are talking about college vs. college. You can't compare pro because he hasn't played a down yet.

This idea that Locker = Smith is the most absurd theme I see day in and day out on the WZ. Locker is 10 times the athlete that Smith is. He has a stronger arm. His as accurate or more so. He has better pocket presense. He has confidence where Smith plays scared. There is no comparison at all.

You are wrong. Locker is not a good QB right now. He is NOT as accurate. HE does have better physical tools, especially his mobility. Smith had confidence in College too. There is no doubt in my mind that Locker will need time to develop. He might turn in to a good player, but if you bring him in to this mess we will see a repeat of the last several years. I think Luck has a better chance at overcoming that stuff, but still... it is alot to overcome for any rookie.

Of course depending on who the new coach is things could improve quickly I suppose...

Locker is a good QB right now. And he is injured right now too BTW. Which effects your play. And his team sucks big time. Bottom of the PAC 10 in talent. Luck's team is 10 times better in talent level.

What makes you think Luck even comes out? He doesn't have to. He's a Sophmore and there is an NFL work stoppage coming.

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Does anybody know if the kid (Luck) is a 49ers fan?

Born in DC, played high school in Texas..

I've said (just above this post even) that I think us having the 1st overall pick is the only way he actually does decide to come out...

inheriting a playoff ready team in the area of your college while wanting to finish your degree doesn't (really ever) happen for a 1st overall Quarterback very often..

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'll admit i don't watch much college football, but the way people are talking about Locker slipping you'd swear he is having a terrible year. His stats don't look half bad.

Watch him play. The oline looks terrible, the receivers drop the ball, he misses wide open receivers, he is not very accurate, running game carries the offense and he is inconsistent. Coincidence? Sound eerily familiar?

Oops and I forgot, they have to run a vanilla offense.

The team he is on is terrible. Talent around you matters (Locker and WA). And no it's not familiar. Smith dominated at Utah and went undefeated. Check your history here. We are talking about college vs. college. You can't compare pro because he hasn't played a down yet.

This idea that Locker = Smith is the most absurd theme I see day in and day out on the WZ. Locker is 10 times the athlete that Smith is. He has a stronger arm. His as accurate or more so. He has better pocket presense. He has confidence where Smith plays scared. There is no comparison at all.

You are wrong. Locker is not a good QB right now. He is NOT as accurate. HE does have better physical tools, especially his mobility. Smith had confidence in College too. There is no doubt in my mind that Locker will need time to develop. He might turn in to a good player, but if you bring him in to this mess we will see a repeat of the last several years. I think Luck has a better chance at overcoming that stuff, but still... it is alot to overcome for any rookie.

Of course depending on who the new coach is things could improve quickly I suppose...

I respectfully disagree. Locker IS a good QB. If you're judging it by his last performance against Arizona, keep in mind that he was playing with a deep thigh bruise which limited the playcall because it affected his accuracy.

Two weeks ago, he played very well against Oregon State. Made good throws and made plays with his feet. I do agree that Luck would be the better of the two, but Locker is a good consolation prize.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'll admit i don't watch much college football, but the way people are talking about Locker slipping you'd swear he is having a terrible year. His stats don't look half bad.

Watch him play. The oline looks terrible, the receivers drop the ball, he misses wide open receivers, he is not very accurate, running game carries the offense and he is inconsistent. Coincidence? Sound eerily familiar?

Oops and I forgot, they have to run a vanilla offense.

The team he is on is terrible. Talent around you matters (Locker and WA). And no it's not familiar. Smith dominated at Utah and went undefeated. Check your history here. We are talking about college vs. college. You can't compare pro because he hasn't played a down yet.

This idea that Locker = Smith is the most absurd theme I see day in and day out on the WZ. Locker is 10 times the athlete that Smith is. He has a stronger arm. His as accurate or more so. He has better pocket presense. He has confidence where Smith plays scared. There is no comparison at all.

You are wrong. Locker is not a good QB right now. He is NOT as accurate. HE does have better physical tools, especially his mobility. Smith had confidence in College too. There is no doubt in my mind that Locker will need time to develop. He might turn in to a good player, but if you bring him in to this mess we will see a repeat of the last several years. I think Luck has a better chance at overcoming that stuff, but still... it is alot to overcome for any rookie.

Of course depending on who the new coach is things could improve quickly I suppose...

Locker is a good QB right now. And he is injured right now too BTW. Which effects your play. And his team sucks big time. Bottom of the PAC 10 in talent. Luck's team is 10 times better in talent level.

What makes you think Luck even comes out? He doesn't have to. He's a Sophmore and there is an NFL work stoppage coming.

Locker is sometimes a good college QB, he is going to be problematic with his accuracy and lack of pocket skills in the NFL.

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'll admit i don't watch much college football, but the way people are talking about Locker slipping you'd swear he is having a terrible year. His stats don't look half bad.

Watch him play. The oline looks terrible, the receivers drop the ball, he misses wide open receivers, he is not very accurate, running game carries the offense and he is inconsistent. Coincidence? Sound eerily familiar?

Oops and I forgot, they have to run a vanilla offense.

The team he is on is terrible. Talent around you matters (Locker and WA). And no it's not familiar. Smith dominated at Utah and went undefeated. Check your history here. We are talking about college vs. college. You can't compare pro because he hasn't played a down yet.

This idea that Locker = Smith is the most absurd theme I see day in and day out on the WZ. Locker is 10 times the athlete that Smith is. He has a stronger arm. His as accurate or more so. He has better pocket presense. He has confidence where Smith plays scared. There is no comparison at all.

You are wrong. Locker is not a good QB right now. He is NOT as accurate. HE does have better physical tools, especially his mobility. Smith had confidence in College too. There is no doubt in my mind that Locker will need time to develop. He might turn in to a good player, but if you bring him in to this mess we will see a repeat of the last several years. I think Luck has a better chance at overcoming that stuff, but still... it is alot to overcome for any rookie.

Of course depending on who the new coach is things could improve quickly I suppose...

Locker is a good QB right now. And he is injured right now too BTW. Which effects your play. And his team sucks big time. Bottom of the PAC 10 in talent. Luck's team is 10 times better in talent level.

What makes you think Luck even comes out? He doesn't have to. He's a Sophmore and there is an NFL work stoppage coming.

Locker is sometimes a good college QB, he is going to be problematic with his accuracy and lack of pocket skills in the NFL.

His accuracy does bother me a little but we don't know if the issue falls to the fact that his line rarely gives him time to throw, his receivers drop passes or fail to make the breaks quick enough, or if he really has terrible accuracy. One thing that I do see time and time again is that he throws very well and accurate on the run.

I live in Seattle and still find it difficult to get a good read on Locker even after watching him for many games. I think Locker has a little Alex Smith in him in that he does not make good decisions when pressured. He has happy feet and he'd rather get out of a jam with his feet rather than using his arm.

In time, Locker may be a good QB but he's a project. He'll be a top 5 pick and expected to start right away which could spell disaster for Jake because he's NOT ready for the pro game.

At this point in time, I think the Niners will have a top 5 pick. Drafting Jake Locker scares the hell out of me. Frankly, I'd pass on him.

Locker is definitely a project.

they play each other this week right? I'm watching fo' sho'

Originally posted by pete98146:
I live in Seattle and still find it difficult to get a good read on Locker even after watching him for many games. I think Locker has a little Alex Smith in him in that he does not make good decisions when pressured. He has happy feet and he'd rather get out of a jam with his feet rather than using his arm.

In time, Locker may be a good QB but he's a project. He'll be a top 5 pick and expected to start right away which could spell disaster for Jake because he's NOT ready for the pro game.

At this point in time, I think the Niners will have a top 5 pick. Drafting Jake Locker scares the hell out of me. Frankly, I'd pass on him.

I've watched a lot of Luck highlight clips and all I see are wobbly/weakly thrown balls. Sure they hit the target, but in the NFL those passes would be snatched up by DBs in a hurry. I just don't see what's so special about him.

I just can't get excited about a QB that hasn't completed 60% of his passes in a single college season.

Originally posted by jb49ers80:
I just can't get excited about a QB that hasn't completed 60% of his passes in a single college season.

that should be a big red flag to most people... but they will just say he has bad talent around him... but hes going to be drafted by a bad pro team, so he will struggle even more then he has in college because he will be playing against much much better players

There is no need for a debate. It's clear for whoever has seen both play that Luck is the better QB.

Originally posted by niners94:
There is no need for a debate. It's clear for whoever has seen both play that Luck is the better QB.

Absolutely. But Locker is not a bad consolation.