Locker v. Luck, The Great QB Debate

I just want a qb that won't be a bust

depends what we want

luck is a smart player but is a game manager he wont throw 300 yds and 3 td games too often

locker is a great prospect good footwork excellent arm good pocket presence etc. he can be a superstar qb but also he has a chance of becoming a bust

in conclusion luck is the safe pick but locker has a much higher upside

this is just my opinion though

I haven't seen Locker(like his name) but couldn't tell you sheet about him,
but I saw Luck Absolutely blast a CB after a fumble, hit him so hard the cb fumbled as well.

So my vote is Luck. Guy is a winner.

Watching the USC game you just knew he was gonna drive them down the field and get a score, it was like when joe was back there you knew we weere gonna score with a minute left, everybody knew joe did, the other team did, the announcers, etc....

Anyway I'm not saying he's another Joe but I did get that same feeling watching that game.

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[ Edited by RMuTT1981 on Oct 9, 2010 at 23:00:47 ]

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
depends what we want

luck is a smart player but is a game manager he wont throw 300 yds and 3 td games too often

locker is a great prospect good footwork excellent arm good pocket presence etc. he can be a superstar qb but also he has a chance of becoming a bust

in conclusion luck is the safe pick but locker has a much higher upside

this is just my opinion though

Agree -- that's why its dependent on who our coach is. I wouldn't let singletary touch Locker.

And for the record, I believe that the organization would prefer (if we're picking in the Top 10) to take a skill position player (CB, pleez) and take a QB in the 2nd round. Christian Ponder or Ricky Stanzi are both good options there (or in the 3rd).

Andrew Luck = NFL Ready

-Plays a sophisticated NFL-Pro WCO-vertical at a high level, and excelled fast (which is difficult for even actual NFL starting QBs).
-Exceptional footwork/drops/hitches (typical pedigree of a QB under WCO-training/philosophy).
-Incredible awareness in the pocket.
-Vocal leader.

Jake Locker = NFL Project

-Played his first 2 years out of the spread.
-Struggling in his second year under pro-system with audibles/protection adjustments.
-Is dependent of the shotgun.
-Post-snap posture slanted/jolted.

This entire debate is somewhat adjacent to the Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers draft argument back in 2005. One is ready to play/succeed fast in any sophisticated Pro system, while the other needs a good QB coach/OC to iron out the quirks with.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Andrew Luck = NFL Ready

-Plays a sophisticated NFL-Pro WCO-vertical at a high level, and excelled fast (which is difficult for even actual NFL starting QBs).
-Exceptional footwork/drops/hitches (typical pedigree of a QB under WCO-training/philosophy).
-Incredible awareness in the pocket.
-Vocal leader.

Jake Locker = NFL Project

-Played his first 2 years out of the spread.
-Struggling in his second year under pro-system with audibles/protection adjustments.
-Is dependent of the shotgun.
-Post-snap posture slanted/jolted.

This entire debate is somewhat adjacent to the Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers draft argument back in 2005. One is ready to play/succeed fast in any sophisticated Pro system, while the other needs a good QB coach/OC to iron out the quirks with.

Yes, except that Alex had ZERO experience in a pro-style offense, and only graded out slightly better than Rodgers on physical measures. Alex played his whole career in a gimmick offense.

At least Locker has 2 years in a pro-style offense and is more of a play maker on the move.

I think Luck is the better pro prospect -- less risk.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Andrew Luck = NFL Ready

-Plays a sophisticated NFL-Pro WCO-vertical at a high level, and excelled fast (which is difficult for even actual NFL starting QBs).
-Exceptional footwork/drops/hitches (typical pedigree of a QB under WCO-training/philosophy).
-Incredible awareness in the pocket.
-Vocal leader.

Jake Locker = NFL Project

-Played his first 2 years out of the spread.
-Struggling in his second year under pro-system with audibles/protection adjustments.
-Is dependent of the shotgun.
-Post-snap posture slanted/jolted.

This entire debate is somewhat adjacent to the Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers draft argument back in 2005. One is ready to play/succeed fast in any sophisticated Pro system, while the other needs a good QB coach/OC to iron out the quirks with.

Yes, except that Alex had ZERO experience in a pro-style offense, and only graded out slightly better than Rodgers on physical measures. Alex played his whole career in a gimmick offense.

At least Locker has 2 years in a pro-style offense and is more of a play maker on the move.

I think Luck is the better pro prospect -- less risk.

Oh yeah, and that's been my argument as well over the past week. Luck is like the Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers of the draft (safe-bet/NFL-ready), while Locker stands in Stafford/Bradford ect. column (will probably be drafted by a s**tty team with boom or bust potential).

Both are good players and both are better than what we have. Just different kind of players. Luck = pocket only. Locker = Steve Young. Can be in pocket and be effective and can run too.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Both are good players and both are better than what we have. Just different kind of players. Luck = pocket only. Locker = Steve Young. Can be in pocket and be effective and can run too.

Like u said it really doesn't matter cause they both will be better than Smith, give me either and i will be happy

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
depends what we want

luck is a smart player but is a game manager he wont throw 300 yds and 3 td games too often

locker is a great prospect good footwork excellent arm good pocket presence etc. he can be a superstar qb but also he has a chance of becoming a bust

in conclusion luck is the safe pick but locker has a much higher upside

this is just my opinion though

Yep, I remember when they said the same thing about Alex and Rodgers. I think this time we should go with the safe pick.

Originally posted by RMuTT1981:
I haven't seen Locker(like his name) but couldn't tell you sheet about him,
but I saw Luck Absolutely blast a CB after a fumble, hit him so hard the cb fumbled as well.

So my vote is Luck. Guy is a winner.

Watching the USC game you just knew he was gonna drive them down the field and get a score, it was like when joe was back there you knew we weere gonna score with a minute left, everybody knew joe did, the other team did, the announcers, etc....

Anyway I'm not saying he's another Joe but I did get that same feeling watching that game.

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damn he just ran through that guy

To be honest, I think Ponder will be better than either of them lol

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
depends what we want

luck is a smart player but is a game manager he wont throw 300 yds and 3 td games too often

locker is a great prospect good footwork excellent arm good pocket presence etc. he can be a superstar qb but also he has a chance of becoming a bust

in conclusion luck is the safe pick but locker has a much higher upside

this is just my opinion though

why is luck the safe pick??? he is surrounded by much more talent than locker...dont get me wrong, luck is a very good prospect but locker is proven in playing with no talent, especially at the o-line. and he can run, which luck cant. ponder can it, too.
as long as our o-line isnt stabilized, we need a mobile qb and neither luck nor mallett are mobile (in terms of speed).