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Baalke's One Draft Mistake ...

So, based on our track record of 4th round picks, we absolutely did the right thing by moving up to get Davis! I'm happy we did and just as happy we picked Iupati and got a quality OLine coach. Now we can become a force.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
The BL is nobody was in the Niner draft room...except Singletary, Baalke, Jed and whoever else. But, the point is, they and only they had any insight into the possibility of another team jumping in front of them to get their guy. It's so easy to second-guess, but another to understand the dynamics of that draft...and as I pointed out earlier, as soon as they jumped up to get Davis, a slew of trades followed. I think that validated what they felt was coming...and they wanted to take no chances to miss out on their OT...for the 2nd year in a row.

I think it was a quality move by Baalke. He saw the guy he wanted, he knew the potential of a draft up by another team and he had the intestinal fortitude to go get him with a trade. If we had lost Davis then everyone would have said that he should have traded to be sure that no one went up to get him. If we did nothing and he dropped to us then people would have said that Baalke did not have the intestinal fortitude to go get him. So any way you look at it Baalke would have been criticized. So I would rather have him be criticized for being aggressive than for having him be criticized for no energy or being lax. So I think he had a good draft, we got people that fit our needs. I would have liked Suh and Haden and Spiller and Graham as well but life does not work out like that. So I think Baalke did well and time will reveal how well he picked.

Absolutely. Quite agree
Originally posted by nflguy49:
The Niners needed a new RT and they had Davis as the highest ranked OT on the board. I'm glad they didn't take any chances and made the move up to get him.
Originally posted by 49erWill:
its no big deal, we have two 4th round picks next year
Originally posted by TX9R:
The mistake was drafting Taylor Mays.

Hardly a mistake in the 2nd round at #49...
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by TX9R:
The mistake was drafting Taylor Mays.

Hardly a mistake in the 2nd round at #49...

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by TX9R:
The mistake was drafting Taylor Mays.

Hardly a mistake in the 2nd round at #49...


Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by TX9R:
The mistake was drafting Taylor Mays.

Hardly a mistake in the 2nd round at #49...



Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by nflguy49:
The Niners needed a new RT and they had Davis as the highest ranked OT on the board. I'm glad they didn't take any chances and made the move up to get him.
It was an aggressive move and I like it, here’s why…

During the 2004 draft it was no secret that we needed a wide receiver to replace TO. Donahue was poised to take Michael Clayton at 16, then all of a sudden, without warning, Tampa Bay unexpectedly grabbed him one selection before us. I read that the media could hear Donahue cursing through the hallways as it happened. After which he traded down twice, all the way to the 28th slot and selected, you guessed it, Rashaun Woods. With Philly’s 2nd Donahue chose Shawntae Spencer and with Carolina's 4th he selected Richard Seigler. Spencer was a keeper but all things considered, it wasn't worth the extra picks.

Imagine how different it could have been had Donahue showed some nads and traded up to secure the player he wanted. Maybe Clayton wouldn't have been the answer but for sure he would have been better than Woods. Just goes to show that it's better to be aggressive and go after the guy you want rather than just sit there and hope for the best or trade down fruitlessly for more picks.
I'm sure the Jacksonville forums are inundated with "our guy was there at 10, so why not take him? Good move!" versus "why didn't we trade down and get him later?" posts.

Only history can vindicate these moves. If Bulaga goes to a few probowls and A Davis sees none, bad move.
Originally posted by vermonator:
It was an aggressive move and I like it, here’s why…

During the 2004 draft it was no secret that we needed a wide receiver to replace TO. Donahue was poised to take Michael Clayton at 16, then all of a sudden, without warning, Tampa Bay unexpectedly grabbed him one selection before us. I read that the media could hear Donahue cursing through the hallways as it happened. After which he traded down twice, all the way to the 28th slot and selected, you guessed it, Rashaun Woods. With Philly’s 2nd Donahue chose Shawntae Spencer and with Carolina's 4th he selected Richard Seigler. Spencer was a keeper but all things considered, it wasn't worth the extra picks.

Imagine how different it could have been had Donahue showed some nads and traded up to secure the player he wanted. Maybe Clayton wouldn't have been the answer but for sure he would have been better than Woods. Just goes to show that it's better to be aggressive and go after the guy you want rather than just sit there and hope for the best or trade down fruitlessly for more picks.

The correct answer would have been to stay put and draft Vince Wilfork.

Clayton had a terrific rookie season but fell off the face of the earth after that. You can make the case that we would be worse off by trading up for Clayton because Spencer actually has a role for us and Clayton wouldn't.

Tackles are a much safer pick than receivers so I'm not faulting your logic I just think this is a poor example. A better bust is still bust. Mangold and Baas is much better example. We wanted Mangold but the Patriots took him under our nose and we had to settle for Baas.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on May 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM ]
I find it funny the O.P. has not responded to any posts in his thread. One and done. To answer the question though, it's a fourth and if the 9ers thought it was the right move for them, then it was the right move for them at the time. There is no instant answer for any draft, except for the Mannings and such, these things take time to play out.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by vermonator:
It was an aggressive move and I like it, here’s why…

During the 2004 draft it was no secret that we needed a wide receiver to replace TO. Donahue was poised to take Michael Clayton at 16, then all of a sudden, without warning, Tampa Bay unexpectedly grabbed him one selection before us. I read that the media could hear Donahue cursing through the hallways as it happened. After which he traded down twice, all the way to the 28th slot and selected, you guessed it, Rashaun Woods. With Philly’s 2nd Donahue chose Shawntae Spencer and with Carolina's 4th he selected Richard Seigler. Spencer was a keeper but all things considered, it wasn't worth the extra picks.

Imagine how different it could have been had Donahue showed some nads and traded up to secure the player he wanted. Maybe Clayton wouldn't have been the answer but for sure he would have been better than Woods. Just goes to show that it's better to be aggressive and go after the guy you want rather than just sit there and hope for the best or trade down fruitlessly for more picks.

The correct answer would have been to stay put and draft Vince Wilfork.

Clayton had a terrific rookie season but fell off the face of the earth after that. You can make the case that we would be worse off by trading up for Clayton because Spencer actually has a role for us and Clayton wouldn't.

Tackles are a much safer pick than receivers so I'm not faulting your logic I just think this is a poor example. A better bust is still bust. Mangold and Baas is much better example. We wanted Mangold but the Patriots took him under our nose and we had to settle for Baas.

You mean Mankins?
I like the draft overall but the one factor I like best is of all the picks, I see none of the
McCloughan we got a mercedes but we wound up with a lopsided vw type of pick. None of the rookies seem less then what we expected. The fact we did not pick up a disguised lemon is hard to adjust to since we have been so adept at it for so long.