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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Dashon Goldson even says if we draft Earl Thomas, he would move over to SS. He gives us good value. We could use him as a Safety and CB (depending on the situation).


What? Where did he say that? Goldson is gunning for a big contract, which is why he hired Rosenhaus, and I believe that FS make more than SS, so I don't think he would publicly say anything like that.

he did on twitter and way he plays he is better suited for SS anyway (not that he is a bad FS he would make a better SS)

Can you provide a link to that specific twitter comment?
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Dashon Goldson even says if we draft Earl Thomas, he would move over to SS. He gives us good value. We could use him as a Safety and CB (depending on the situation).


What? Where did he say that? Goldson is gunning for a big contract, which is why he hired Rosenhaus, and I believe that FS make more than SS, so I don't think he would publicly say anything like that.

he did on twitter and way he plays he is better suited for SS anyway (not that he is a bad FS he would make a better SS)

Can you provide a link to that specific twitter comment?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=138737&page=3&highlight=goldson

[ Edited by 49ersalldaway126 on Apr 6, 2010 at 20:03:12 ]
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Dashon Goldson even says if we draft Earl Thomas, he would move over to SS. He gives us good value. We could use him as a Safety and CB (depending on the situation).


What? Where did he say that? Goldson is gunning for a big contract, which is why he hired Rosenhaus, and I believe that FS make more than SS, so I don't think he would publicly say anything like that.

he did on twitter and way he plays he is better suited for SS anyway (not that he is a bad FS he would make a better SS)

Can you provide a link to that specific twitter comment?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=138737&page=3&highlight=goldson

Interesting, if that is the case, I think it does help the case for Thomas, seeing as how Goldson is probably a better fit at SS, even though he did a fantastic job at FS last year.
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Dashon Goldson even says if we draft Earl Thomas, he would move over to SS. He gives us good value. We could use him as a Safety and CB (depending on the situation).


What? Where did he say that? Goldson is gunning for a big contract, which is why he hired Rosenhaus, and I believe that FS make more than SS, so I don't think he would publicly say anything like that.

he did on twitter and way he plays he is better suited for SS anyway (not that he is a bad FS he would make a better SS)

Can you provide a link to that specific twitter comment?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=138737&page=3&highlight=goldson

Interesting, if that is the case, I think it does help the case for Thomas, seeing as how Goldson is probably a better fit at SS, even though he did a fantastic job at FS last year.

Plus, with Micheal Lewis' history of concussions, moving Goldson to SS could be possible. Then, we would have Earl Thomas at FS.

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With Trent Baalke as acting GM, we might have a chance to see Earl Thomas as a 9er!!!!

IMO this draft is deep with Safeties, if we miss on Thomas there will still be good talent in the 2nd or 3rd. Lets just hope teams in front of us don't all need Safeties.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
With Trent Baalke as acting GM, we might have a chance to see Earl Thomas as a 9er!!!!

IMO this draft is deep with Safeties, if we miss on Thomas there will still be good talent in the 2nd or 3rd. Lets just hope teams in front of us don't all need Safeties.

+1 if not chad jones or nate allen in the second
Originally posted by Kolohe:
With Trent Baalke as acting GM, we might have a chance to see Earl Thomas as a 9er!!!!

IMO this draft is deep with Safeties, if we miss on Thomas there will still be good talent in the 2nd or 3rd. Lets just hope teams in front of us don't all need Safeties.

Im all for Thomas. I was all about Berry for a while, but after watching more and more tape on these guys its apparent that Thomas made more big plays. With Goldson and Thomas lurking in the backfield, we would have a ton of flexibility blitzing our front 7.
When did this bandwagon start picking up steam? I think you're going to have to pump your brakes a little.

I don't like Earl Thomas at all and definitely don't consider him a 1st round prospect. Taylor Mays gets a lot of crap for being severly flawed and one dimensional. Well, what do you think Earl Thomas is? He's just as flawed and one dimensional as Mays is but in a completely different way.

If I were to give you two draft prospects who were on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size and playing style, it would be Mays and Thomas. Mays is a freak of nature, physical/always going for the big hit, but absolutely no ball skills. Meanwhile, Thomas is small, shies away from contact, a terrible run defender, but has great ball skills.

Can you imagine Thomas trying to tackle Stephen Jackson or Beanie Wells in the open field? I certainly can't. If you need more proof. Just rewatch the Alabama vs Texas game. Alabama plays NFL style football, balancing both the run and the pass. The Big 12 is a spread league and its definitely not a good passing league. It's definitely not a league that translates well into the NFL.

Just watch Mark Ingram's first TD drive and fast forward to 4:05. (FYI, Thomas is the smallest guy on the field btw.) Thomas has a clear shot to hit Ingram but instead he steps to the side and tries to arm tackle him. Now imagine Stephen Jackson running the same play.....yeah Thomas isn't tackling anybody. Plus, do you think Thomas is going to out leap Fitzgerald or fight through WRs blocking downfield? I don't.


I guess I have a preference for defenders who can play run and the pass equally well. Plus, there are lot of good safeties that no one is talking about: Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Major Wright, Reshad Jones that will be available after the first round. Eric Berry is the only 1st round safety that I would ever consider.
Originally posted by DesiDez:
When did this bandwagon start picking up steam? I think you're going to have to pump your brakes a little.

I don't like Earl Thomas at all and definitely don't consider him a 1st round prospect. Taylor Mays gets a lot of crap for being severly flawed and one dimensional. Well, what do you think Earl Thomas is? He's just as flawed and one dimensional as Mays is but in a completely different way.

If I were to give you two draft prospects who were on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size and playing style, it would be Mays and Thomas. Mays is a freak of nature, physical/always going for the big hit, but absolutely no ball skills. Meanwhile, Thomas is small, shies away from contact, a terrible run defender, but has great ball skills.

Can you imagine Thomas trying to tackle Stephen Jackson or Beanie Wells in the open field? I certainly can't. If you need more proof. Just rewatch the Alabama vs Texas game. Alabama plays NFL style football, balancing both the run and the pass. The Big 12 is a spread league and its definitely not a good passing league. It's definitely not a league that translates well into the NFL.

Just watch Mark Ingram's first TD drive and fast forward to 4:05. (FYI, Thomas is the smallest guy on the field btw.) Thomas has a clear shot to hit Ingram but instead he steps to the side and tries to arm tackle him. Now imagine Stephen Jackson running the same play.....yeah Thomas isn't tackling anybody. Plus, do you think Thomas is going to out leap Fitzgerald or fight through WRs blocking downfield? I don't.

I guess I have a preference for defenders who can play run and the pass equally well. Plus, there are lot of good safeties that no one is talking about: Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Major Wright, Reshad Jones that will be available after the first round. Eric Berry is the only 1st round safety that I would ever consider.

You can say he's small but as far as height he really isn't, he's like 5'10'' and 3/4. That's just about the same size as Reed(5'11'') and Bethea(5'11'') and you're telling me you wouldn't take those guys? He's a redshirt soph and he's only like 20, so he has some developing to do. But look at the guy's production, 8 INTs last year, and 2 as a freshman, that's twice as many as Mays had in half the time. Besides, look who the good teams in the NFC are. The Eagles, they're a passing team. The Saints are a passing team. The Cards(were) a passing team(when they were good. Packers were a passing team. We lost games because our safeties got exposed in coverage, because Mike Lewis couldn't cover. Towards the end of the season Goldson got better in coverage, but he has a style of a SS at times just look at the 2 FFs in the Cards game. Basically what you're griping about is he's one dimensional because he has some developing to do physically, which is going to happen. You bring up how you like Mays, but he doesn't have a whole lot of upside because physically he's already pretty developed. But he doesn't have good hands or anything. Thomas does, plus he is a very good character guy:

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-1/QA-with-S-Earl-Thomas/d54ce20f-6b72-4436-8f87-037561befaeb

Oh and if you want to know why everyone is a big fan of Thomas, just look at the games we lost. We lost that Philly game because DeSean Jackson kept getting by our safeties after beating our corners. Earl Thomas runs a 4.35 and is great in coverage, he would've helped significantly vs the Eagles. The Seahawks game where Keith Smith is our 5th DB and gets matched up against Butler who gets behind him for the pass to give Seattle the game winning FG. Or Roman getting beat a little bit by Greg Lewis vs Favre. Or the Houston game where our LBers and safeties couldn't cover the TE from Houston Owen Daniels? All season long other teams slot recievers and TEs tore us up, Earl Thomas would help fix that a lot. We didn't lose any friggin games because we got lit up by Beanie Wells or Steven Jackson.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
When did this bandwagon start picking up steam? I think you're going to have to pump your brakes a little.

I don't like Earl Thomas at all and definitely don't consider him a 1st round prospect. Taylor Mays gets a lot of crap for being severly flawed and one dimensional. Well, what do you think Earl Thomas is? He's just as flawed and one dimensional as Mays is but in a completely different way.

If I were to give you two draft prospects who were on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size and playing style, it would be Mays and Thomas. Mays is a freak of nature, physical/always going for the big hit, but absolutely no ball skills. Meanwhile, Thomas is small, shies away from contact, a terrible run defender, but has great ball skills.

Can you imagine Thomas trying to tackle Stephen Jackson or Beanie Wells in the open field? I certainly can't. If you need more proof. Just rewatch the Alabama vs Texas game. Alabama plays NFL style football, balancing both the run and the pass. The Big 12 is a spread league and its definitely not a good passing league. It's definitely not a league that translates well into the NFL.

Just watch Mark Ingram's first TD drive and fast forward to 4:05. (FYI, Thomas is the smallest guy on the field btw.) Thomas has a clear shot to hit Ingram but instead he steps to the side and tries to arm tackle him. Now imagine Stephen Jackson running the same play.....yeah Thomas isn't tackling anybody. Plus, do you think Thomas is going to out leap Fitzgerald or fight through WRs blocking downfield? I don't.

I guess I have a preference for defenders who can play run and the pass equally well. Plus, there are lot of good safeties that no one is talking about: Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Major Wright, Reshad Jones that will be available after the first round. Eric Berry is the only 1st round safety that I would ever consider.

You can say he's small but as far as height he really isn't, he's like 5'10'' and 3/4. That's just about the same size as Reed(5'11'') and Bethea(5'11'') and you're telling me you wouldn't take those guys? He's a redshirt soph and he's only like 20, so he has some developing to do. But look at the guy's production, 8 INTs last year, and 2 as a freshman, that's twice as many as Mays had in half the time. Besides, look who the good teams in the NFC are. The Eagles, they're a passing team. The Saints are a passing team. The Cards(were) a passing team(when they were good. Packers were a passing team. We lost games because our safeties got exposed in coverage, because Mike Lewis couldn't cover. Towards the end of the season Goldson got better in coverage, but he has a style of a SS at times just look at the 2 FFs in the Cards game. Basically what you're griping about is he's one dimensional because he has some developing to do physically, which is going to happen. You bring up how you like Mays, but he doesn't have a whole lot of upside because physically he's already pretty developed. But he doesn't have good hands or anything. Thomas does, plus he is a very good character guy:

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-1/QA-with-S-Earl-Thomas/d54ce20f-6b72-4436-8f87-037561befaeb

Oh and if you want to know why everyone is a big fan of Thomas, just look at the games we lost. We lost that Philly game because DeSean Jackson kept getting by our safeties after beating our corners. Earl Thomas runs a 4.35 and is great in coverage, he would've helped significantly vs the Eagles. The Seahawks game where Keith Smith is our 5th DB and gets matched up against Butler who gets behind him for the pass to give Seattle the game winning FG. Or Roman getting beat a little bit by Greg Lewis vs Favre. Or the Houston game where our LBers and safeties couldn't cover the TE from Houston Owen Daniels? All season long other teams slot recievers and TEs tore us up, Earl Thomas would help fix that a lot. We didn't lose any friggin games because we got lit up by Beanie Wells or Steven Jackson.

well said my friend, this wagon has no brakes lol.
Originally posted by DesiDez:
When did this bandwagon start picking up steam? I think you're going to have to pump your brakes a little.

I don't like Earl Thomas at all and definitely don't consider him a 1st round prospect. Taylor Mays gets a lot of crap for being severly flawed and one dimensional. Well, what do you think Earl Thomas is? He's just as flawed and one dimensional as Mays is but in a completely different way.

If I were to give you two draft prospects who were on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size and playing style, it would be Mays and Thomas. Mays is a freak of nature, physical/always going for the big hit, but absolutely no ball skills. Meanwhile, Thomas is small, shies away from contact, a terrible run defender, but has great ball skills.

Can you imagine Thomas trying to tackle Stephen Jackson or Beanie Wells in the open field? I certainly can't. If you need more proof. Just rewatch the Alabama vs Texas game. Alabama plays NFL style football, balancing both the run and the pass. The Big 12 is a spread league and its definitely not a good passing league. It's definitely not a league that translates well into the NFL.

Just watch Mark Ingram's first TD drive and fast forward to 4:05. (FYI, Thomas is the smallest guy on the field btw.) Thomas has a clear shot to hit Ingram but instead he steps to the side and tries to arm tackle him. Now imagine Stephen Jackson running the same play.....yeah Thomas isn't tackling anybody. Plus, do you think Thomas is going to out leap Fitzgerald or fight through WRs blocking downfield? I don't.

I guess I have a preference for defenders who can play run and the pass equally well. Plus, there are lot of good safeties that no one is talking about: Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Major Wright, Reshad Jones that will be available after the first round. Eric Berry is the only 1st round safety that I would ever consider.

As long as we have Patrick Willis our safeties don't need to to worry about Steven Jackson and Bennie Wells making it into the secondary that often.
Another guy who's not impressed with Earl Thomas
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
When did this bandwagon start picking up steam? I think you're going to have to pump your brakes a little.

I don't like Earl Thomas at all and definitely don't consider him a 1st round prospect. Taylor Mays gets a lot of crap for being severly flawed and one dimensional. Well, what do you think Earl Thomas is? He's just as flawed and one dimensional as Mays is but in a completely different way.

If I were to give you two draft prospects who were on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size and playing style, it would be Mays and Thomas. Mays is a freak of nature, physical/always going for the big hit, but absolutely no ball skills. Meanwhile, Thomas is small, shies away from contact, a terrible run defender, but has great ball skills.

Can you imagine Thomas trying to tackle Stephen Jackson or Beanie Wells in the open field? I certainly can't. If you need more proof. Just rewatch the Alabama vs Texas game. Alabama plays NFL style football, balancing both the run and the pass. The Big 12 is a spread league and its definitely not a good passing league. It's definitely not a league that translates well into the NFL.

Just watch Mark Ingram's first TD drive and fast forward to 4:05. (FYI, Thomas is the smallest guy on the field btw.) Thomas has a clear shot to hit Ingram but instead he steps to the side and tries to arm tackle him. Now imagine Stephen Jackson running the same play.....yeah Thomas isn't tackling anybody. Plus, do you think Thomas is going to out leap Fitzgerald or fight through WRs blocking downfield? I don't.

I guess I have a preference for defenders who can play run and the pass equally well. Plus, there are lot of good safeties that no one is talking about: Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Major Wright, Reshad Jones that will be available after the first round. Eric Berry is the only 1st round safety that I would ever consider.

As long as we have Patrick Willis our safeties don't need to to worry about Steven Jackson and Bennie Wells making it into the secondary that often.

Deion Sanders arm tackled all the time and hes still probably the best cover corner who ever played. if Thomas covers his man and doesnt let him catch the ball im perfectly fine with him arm tackling, most DB's that arent 200lbs do it all the time and the league is full of them. we have goldson, spikes, willis, clements and spencer who can all bring the wood so a great cover safety who cant spear tackle people is not a big concern as long as he can make plays, and Earl can make plays
I say we get Haden...and best OT. Those are the two most critical positions...Thomas is a good player, but Haden's the best CB in the draft. In the 1st rd, you draft the best, not 2nd best, particularly at CB, if you get the chance.
I was listening to local radio in KC and they were talking to a "mock expert" who had the Chiefs taking Thomas at #5 over Eric Berry. Could you imagine how badly that would wreck everyones draft board? Thomas may not make it to 17.