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Feb 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM
- tohara3
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Nice mock. I could see things shaking down this way.
Feb 20, 2010 at 1:08 PM
- Fincham11
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I would be happy with McClain and Iupati.
Feb 20, 2010 at 9:17 PM
- DaveWilcox
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I just can't see the Seahawks not selecting Bradford if he is still on the board. Hasselbeck is nearing the end, he is starting to fall apart physically.
JAX simply has to draft a pass rusher, not matter what, 14 sacks last year isn't getting it done.. I see them taking Morgan or Dunlop.
I don't think we would select McClain, not that he is worth the pick, but like other have said in other threads, we would have way too much invested in inside linebackers. There would have to be a plan to either move Willis or McClain to OLB
JAX simply has to draft a pass rusher, not matter what, 14 sacks last year isn't getting it done.. I see them taking Morgan or Dunlop.
I don't think we would select McClain, not that he is worth the pick, but like other have said in other threads, we would have way too much invested in inside linebackers. There would have to be a plan to either move Willis or McClain to OLB
Feb 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM
- Negrodamus
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Originally posted by Fincham11:
I would be happy with McClain and Iupati.
Yippee ki yay mother fcukers
Feb 20, 2010 at 9:41 PM
- DesiDez
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I wouldn't draft Iupati over Bulaga if both were available at 17. There's is no OT in the 2nd round that could start from day 1 once the big 6 are gone.
I'd rather go with a combination of Bulaga at 17 and guards Jon Asamoah, Mike Johnson, Maurkice Pouncey (OC/G) , or John Jerry (OT/OG) in the 2nd round.
Iupati and Ciron Black, or Ducasse just doesn't sound as good to me.
I'd rather go with a combination of Bulaga at 17 and guards Jon Asamoah, Mike Johnson, Maurkice Pouncey (OC/G) , or John Jerry (OT/OG) in the 2nd round.
Iupati and Ciron Black, or Ducasse just doesn't sound as good to me.
Feb 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM
- noobie
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Lag double post
[ Edited by noobie on Feb 20, 2010 at 22:00:31 ]
[ Edited by noobie on Feb 20, 2010 at 22:00:31 ]
Feb 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM
- noobie
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When did a guard become more important than a tackle? Bulaga is a better prospect at t than iupati is at g. The fall from the top tier OTs is bigger than the fall from iupati and the second/third guards IMO. While I love McClain I don't think he's the pick at 13.
If Seattle goes qb at 6 they have to a take to protect him with Walter jones probably retiring.
If Seattle goes qb at 6 they have to a take to protect him with Walter jones probably retiring.
Feb 21, 2010 at 2:18 AM
- RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
I just can't see the Seahawks not selecting Bradford if he is still on the board. Hasselbeck is nearing the end, he is starting to fall apart physically.
JAX simply has to draft a pass rusher, not matter what, 14 sacks last year isn't getting it done.. I see them taking Morgan or Dunlop.
I don't think we would select McClain, not that he is worth the pick, but like other have said in other threads, we would have way too much invested in inside linebackers. There would have to be a plan to either move Willis or McClain to OLB
As I stated early in the post, the first thing I look for is BPA, and then need. From a BPA perspective I believe Okung has a slight edge over Bradford. Even though Bradford has a higher ceiling, he's also got a much higher bust factor. From a need standpoint I think these positions are neck in neck. Hassleback is clearly passed his prime, while Jones just retired. They must replace both. But what really pushed me over the edge, is that I don't think Carrol will be all that excited about a QB that played in a non-pro style offense his whole life. Even in college Carrol never bought into it, and my gut tells me he wants to stay away from what he's not familiar with--which in this case is the spread-style QB.
As for the Jags, this is based primarily on 2 factors. First, Haden is hands down the BPA. Where as Haden is widely considered to be an elite prospect, Morgan is projected to be a solid, not elite DE, and definitely not a game changing pass rusher. Dunlop simply has too many question marks around him to be a top 10 pick. The second factor is the Jags history of drafting Gators, especially from the defensive side of the ball. Draft habits can give a lot away, and this team clearly has a habit of staying with local Florida prospects.
Finally onto McClain. A) He's likely the BPA. B) Singletary has stated on numerous occasions that if Crabtree didn't fall to 10 last year, the pick would be between Oher and Maualuga. Scotty has also mentioned being interested in Curtis Loften 2 years ago. This team is still looking for a top rated talent to play next to Willis. This isn't my opinion of what they should do, but rather my deduction of what I think they will do based on what I've witnessed. My guess is that Singletary will fall in love with McClain's intelligence, leadership, and knowledge of the 3-4, while Scotty will go crazy over the fact that he played in the SEC. If Trent Williams was on the board I might have to consider need as the primary driver, but since he's gone, and I've been hearing more and more about Bulaga being overrated and lower on team's boards than some may think, I have to go with the best player here, and that happens to be McClain.
Feb 21, 2010 at 2:21 AM
- Walsh
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I gotta say with this mock,we go Bulaga with the 2nd pick. Mostly because Snyder is so much worse than Baas. Compare how many sacks each gave up and you'll see what I mean. A tackle is just such a need for this team, I have a hard time seeing us leaving the first round without one. Maybe if Spiller fell we would grab him w/ our 2nd pick instead of RT.
Feb 21, 2010 at 2:23 AM
- RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by DesiDez:
I wouldn't draft Iupati over Bulaga if both were available at 17. There's is no OT in the 2nd round that could start from day 1 once the big 6 are gone.
I'd rather go with a combination of Bulaga at 17 and guards Jon Asamoah, Mike Johnson, Maurkice Pouncey (OC/G) , or John Jerry (OT/OG) in the 2nd round.
Iupati and Ciron Black, or Ducasse just doesn't sound as good to me.
What I've been hearing is that teams aren't really all that high on Bulaga, and he's actually not the elite prospect many have made him out to seem. In fact, many scouts believe that his performance against GT wasn't all that impressive. Sure OT is a bigger need than OG, but this comes down to a dominant OG vs an avg OT.
Feb 21, 2010 at 2:24 AM
- RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by noobie:
When did a guard become more important than a tackle? Bulaga is a better prospect at t than iupati is at g. The fall from the top tier OTs is bigger than the fall from iupati and the second/third guards IMO. While I love McClain I don't think he's the pick at 13.
If Seattle goes qb at 6 they have to a take to protect him with Walter jones probably retiring.
I'm not sure if that's true. What are you basing that on?
Also, I have Seattle going with an OT, not a QB at 6.
Feb 21, 2010 at 2:53 AM
- English
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Originally posted by DesiDez:
I wouldn't draft Iupati over Bulaga if both were available at 17. There's is no OT in the 2nd round that could start from day 1 once the big 6 are gone.
I'd rather go with a combination of Bulaga at 17 and guards Jon Asamoah, Mike Johnson, Maurkice Pouncey (OC/G) , or John Jerry (OT/OG) in the 2nd round.
Iupati and Ciron Black, or Ducasse just doesn't sound as good to me.
Not sure about taking another ILB. It's an option, but I tend to think I would wish to fix the O line with Bulaga and Iupati. I think Spikes is good for a while and we have already drafted his replacement, surely?
Feb 21, 2010 at 6:24 AM
- CorvaNinerFan
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While I agree McClain and Iupati are two of the best at their given positions, there are other positions of greater need. Those picks don't get Singletary the OT he wants so badly...and just about all the top OT's will be gone in the 1st rd. Instead of McClain, if you're going BPA first, I'd want Haden or Spiller...both guys should have immediate impact in areas we need help the most. Agree, Iupati's a beast, but I don't see any way Mac will pull the trigger on any OG that early. An OT, yes, one because that's the bigger need, but it's a position both Mac and Singletary would be totally in synch with. Bulaga, Williams, or even Charles Brown would be good picks...the latter because I've just learned he excels at zone blocking, which Coach Solari will implement this off-season.
Feb 21, 2010 at 7:55 AM
- asu49ers
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Although I do believe we need a future replacement for Spikes I don't believe McClain is the answer. I just don't think its smart for the organization to tie up that much money to our ILB positions, especially since the organization still needs to extend PW's contract. Plus I have a feeling Brandon Spikes will be around in the second round and I think he would provide better value at that pick. I say stick to CJ and Bulaga in the first round.