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What will Scotty do?

Originally posted by nannite:
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 9erHIGH:
Originally posted by susweel:
Scotty will draft a good player in the first round then completely waste the rest of the draft on crappy players.

dashon goldson
delanie walker
parys haralson
marcus hudson makes a solid contribution for a 6th round guy
tarrell brown

some of you guys can be such whiny little b!@tches sometimes...

McC has had about 6 'hits' out of 35 2nd-7th rd picks. That's less than 1 out of five. That's not very good. (Hudson is average at best).

Some of you guys have your noses so far up Scotty's ass that you can barely breath.

1/5 is pretty good for post-first round picks. What basis do you have for saying its bad? The success rate is incredibly low in the NFL, especially after the first round.

Yes. And let's not forget our previous HC's main failure was player development. But some people like to blame Scotty now Nolan has gone.
Championship teams are built with successful mid round pics and thats something McClueless has at failed miserably. Anybody can draft a couple of pro bowl players in the first round when your drafting in the top 10.

It so easy even a cave man can do it.
Originally posted by susweel:
Championship teams are built with successful mid round pics and thats something McClueless has at failed miserably. Anybody can draft a couple of pro bowl players in the first round when your drafting in the top 10.

It so easy even a cave man can do it.

Ryan Leaf was picked #2 overall. JaLarda** Russell was picked #1. Not everybody can do it.



Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by susweel:
Championship teams are built with successful mid round pics and thats something McClueless has at failed miserably. Anybody can draft a couple of pro bowl players in the first round when your drafting in the top 10.

It so easy even a cave man can do it.

Ryan Leaf was picked #2 overall. JaLarda** Russell was picked #1. Not everybody can do it.




Yes and he drafted Smith. So he is not perfect in the either. However if you are picking in the top ten for a few years you should get some pro bowlers. And so far for McClueless he has only drafted 3 pro bowlers out of the 40 or so picks he has had.
how did it come that scotty picks so bad??? bad scouts? does he scout on his own??????
i mean the firstrounders are ok so far but the later rounds seem to suck a lot.
Part of that problem is that Nolan would not play rookies. So, the mid or low round picks generally got no playing time or chance to show what they could do, or at the least their development was v e r r y slow. Look at Cody Wallace. I don't know why we drafted him, but if there's anything there he should have seen more action. Hasn't he been here two years and been activated for a couple of plays in two games? Don't understand the logic. Also, the mid- low-round picks who don't play then face competition from next years' mid & low rounders, and get cut and go on to play for other teams. The result is a lot of picks that are just wasted.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
OT then BPA.

BPA then OT.
Originally posted by ezekiel40:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
OT then BPA.

BPA then OT.

BPA is a bunch BS talk the GMs give to fans. I think a team always drafts for needs.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by susweel:
Championship teams are built with successful mid round pics and thats something McClueless has at failed miserably. Anybody can draft a couple of pro bowl players in the first round when your drafting in the top 10.

It so easy even a cave man can do it.

Ryan Leaf was picked #2 overall. JaLarda** Russell was picked #1. Not everybody can do it.




Yes and he drafted Smith. So he is not perfect in the either. However if you are picking in the top ten for a few years you should get some pro bowlers. And so far for McClueless he has only drafted 3 pro bowlers out of the 40 or so picks he has had.

Smith is light years better than those 2 BTW. He's not Peyton Manning but you can't put him the category of Leaf or Russell. It's not even close.
ask waitin4number6
Originally posted by rapid4:
Part of that problem is that Nolan would not play rookies. So, the mid or low round picks generally got no playing time or chance to show what they could do, or at the least their development was v e r r y slow. Look at Cody Wallace. I don't know why we drafted him, but if there's anything there he should have seen more action. Hasn't he been here two years and been activated for a couple of plays in two games? Don't understand the logic. Also, the mid- low-round picks who don't play then face competition from next years' mid & low rounders, and get cut and go on to play for other teams. The result is a lot of picks that are just wasted.

wheres he gonna play? Center? as long as Hiet is in no way he gets on there. Guard? Chilo was the superior talent so theyll play him Baas was much further along than him so hes going to play.

hows he going to get on the bench? Sims was backup T and Tony Wragge is our swing player. so...again how is he supposed to get playing time?
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Originally posted by susweel:
Championship teams are built with successful mid round pics and thats something McClueless has at failed miserably. Anybody can draft a couple of pro bowl players in the first round when your drafting in the top 10.

It so easy even a cave man can do it.

Let's examine that statement and see if it's true. Let's take a look at the Colts' draft picks over the last five years and see how they stack up against McC's. If they're on the active roster I'm considering them as a backup, even if they only suit up for a couple of games. If they're on the practice squad of a team I'm counting that as the same as being out of the league. The number preceding the player indicates what round they were drafted in.

Colts

2005 draft
1 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
Backup

2 Kelvin Hayden DB Illinois
Backup that moved into the starting position due to injury

3 Vincent Burns DE Kentucky
Didn't record any stats in two years and is out of the league now

4 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
Backup. Cut by three teams before ending up in Detroit.

5 Matt Giordano DB California
3rd string. Recorded 2 tackles this year.

6 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
Played 2 years and accumlated a total of 4 sacks. Out of the league now

7 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
Played 1 year in the league and is out of football


2006 Draft
1 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State
A starter and a stud at RB

2 Tim Jennings DB Georgia
Is nothing more than a backup. Saw action in 5 games this year.

3 Freddie Keiaho LB San Diego State
Another Backup. Only played in 2 games this year.

4 Michael Toudouze G Texas Christian
Not even a backup. Has started 3 games in 3 years.

5 Charlie Johnson T Oklahoma State
Has been a reliable starter. Missed 4 games this year due to injury.

6 Antoine Bethea DB Howard
Starter and a stud and a steal for the 6th round.

7 T.J. Rushing DB Stanford
Nothing more than a backup. Recorded all of 5 tackles this year.


2007 draft
1 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
Backup

2 Tony Ugoh G Arkansas
Solid backup

3 Daymeion Hughes DB California
Waived by the Colts, picked up by the Chargers, waived by them, resigned by them. Played in 1 game this year.

4 Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio State
Out of the league.

5 Brannon Condren DB Troy State
Has played in all of 12 games in 3 years and has been waived by 3 teams.

6 Clint Session LB Pittsburgh
Solid starter the last two years.

7 Roy Hall WR Ohio State
1 reception in 2 years


2008 draft
1 Mike Pollak C Arizona State
Backup. Started 7 games this year

2 Philip Wheeler LB Georgia Tech
Backup. Started just 7 games this year, none his rookie year.

3 Jacob Tamme TE Kentucky
Moved him to FB and he's the backup to Robinson

4 Marcus Howard LB Georgia
Cut and has not been picked up by anybody else.

5 Tom Santi TE Virginia
3rd TE

6 Steven Justice C Wake Forest
Out of the league

7 Mike Hart RB Michigan
Something like 3rd or 4th RB on the depth chart


2009 draft
1 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
Backup

2 Fili Moala DT USC
Backup

3 Jerraud Powers DB Auburn
Starter

4 Austin Collie WR Brigham Young
2nd WR

5 Terrance Taylor DT Michigan
Waived and picked up by Detroit for their practice squad.

6 Curtis Painter QB Purdue
Backup (and a bad one)

7 Pat McAfee P West Virginia
Starting punter.

8 Jaimie Thomas T Maryland
Practice Squad



Let's compare that to the McC's drafts since 2005

49ers
2005 Draft
1 Alex D. Smithn QB Utah
Starter

2 David Baas C Michigan
Starter

3 Frank Gore RB Miami (FL)
Stud

3 Adam Snyder G Oregon
Starter

4 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
Starter (with Denver)

5 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
Out of the League

6 Derrick Johnson DB Washington
Out of the League

7 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
Out of the League


2006 draft
1 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
Stud

2 Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Starter

3 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
Out of the League

4 Michael Robinson WR Penn State
Special Teams

5 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
Starter

6 Delanie Walker WR Central Missouri State
Backup

6 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
Backup

6 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
Out of the League

7 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas
out of the League


2007 Draft
1 Patrick Willis LB Mississippi
Stud

1 Joe Staley T Central Michigan
Starter

3 Jason Hill WR Washington State
Backup

3 Ray McDonald DT Florida
Backup

4 Jay Moore DE Nebraska
On St. Louis' practice squad

4 Dashon Goldson DB Washington
Starter. May turn into a stud

4 Joe Cohen DT Florida
Backup, Detroit

5 Tarell Brown DB Texas
Backup

6 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State
Practice Squad


2008 Draft
1 Kentwan Ballmer DT North Carolina
Backup

2 Chilo Rachal G USC
Starter (in my mind he's turned into a stud this year)

3 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
Backup

4 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
Backup

6 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
Starter

7 Larry Grant LB Ohio State
Backup (St. Louis)


2009 Draft
1 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Starter

3 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
Backup

5 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
Backup

5 Nate Davis QB Ball State
Backup

6 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
Backup (3rd string Giants)

7 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
Backup

7 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
Backup




So here's how it breaks down by round

Colts
1st round (5 picks)
3 backups, 2 studs.
40% success rate

2nd round (5 picks)
4 backups, 1 starter
20% success rate

3rd round (5 picks)
1 Out of the League, 3 backups, 1 starter
20% success rate

4th round (5 picks)
1 starter, 2 OOL, 2 backup
20% success

5th-7th rounds (17 picks)
6 backup, 6 OOL, 4 starter, 1 stud,
30% success

Overall only 24% of the Colt's picks in the last 5 years are starting. 25% of their 3-7th round picks are starting.


49ers
1st round (6 picks)
2 starters, 1 stud, 2 backups
50% success

2nd round (3 picks)
3 starters
100% success

3rd round (7 picks)
1 stud, 1 starter, 1 out of the league, 4 backups
28% success

4th round (6 picks)
2 backup, 3 starters, 1 OOL
50% success

5th-7th rounds (17 picks)
6 OOL, 1 Starter, 10 backups,
11% success

In the sam time frame 38% of the Niners picks over the last 5 years are starting. 23% of the 3-7th round picks are starting.

Basically the Niners have a higher success rate with the first 3 rounds and the same success rate with the mid to late round picks.
[ Edited by smileyman on Feb 3, 2010 at 9:48 PM ]
Your argument holds no merit. Colts are probably the best team in the league so many there backups are better then many of our starters.
Also when you have Peyton Manning as your QB it will fix many of your draft misses. Having Alex as your starter you better be drafting near perfect if you wonna have a chance to win.
Originally posted by susweel:
Scotty will draft a good player in the first round then completely waste the rest of the draft on crappy players.

Really? Gore, Goldson, Brown, Morgan, McDonald and Parys really suck then.
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