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The 2010 Draft Class is Overrated

Originally posted by tohara3:
Hey MadDog or OnTheClock, do you think we can get the OT Bulaga from Iowa as our RT? Also what do you think of the cornerback Patrick Robinson from FSU? Thanks

It really depends if he comes out. He's been dinged a bit this year, and most top level LT's these days are staying in for their senior year. I don't expect him to come out.

As for Robinson, I think he's an excellent playmaker. At the same time, the Niners have a great secondary (the best unit on the field for the team this season...by far), so I do not see any moves to pick up a guy in the back four. And, he's probably 5'10", which is a tough sell for me when WR's are getting bigger around the league. And, this team likes 6'+ CB's on the roster.

At RT, I think they'd look heavily at Ciron Black, if he is still on the board. He's a bigger, road-grading OT compared to the more nimble guys like Okung, who are better suited at LT. Black might still be on the board at 18 or so. By the early twenties, he's almost assuredly going to be gone.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Hey MadDog or OnTheClock, do you think we can get the OT Bulaga from Iowa as our RT? Also what do you think of the cornerback Patrick Robinson from FSU? Thanks

It really depends if he comes out. He's been dinged a bit this year, and most top level LT's these days are staying in for their senior year. I don't expect him to come out.

As for Robinson, I think he's an excellent playmaker. At the same time, the Niners have a great secondary (the best unit on the field for the team this season...by far), so I do not see any moves to pick up a guy in the back four. And, he's probably 5'10", which is a tough sell for me when WR's are getting bigger around the league. And, this team likes 6'+ CB's on the roster.

At RT, I think they'd look heavily at Ciron Black, if he is still on the board. He's a bigger, road-grading OT compared to the more nimble guys like Okung, who are better suited at LT. Black might still be on the board at 18 or so. By the early twenties, he's almost assuredly going to be gone.

Thanks alot MadDog! I really hope we get a RT so we can get our line taken care of.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

Do you know how pissed i'd be if this happened. Let's pay this guy top 5 money because that's where we drafted him. But not give it to Crabtree even though he's a better player/prospect because we drafted him at #10.

I like Bryant alot. But I don't think he's better than Crabtree if he gets the money and Crab's don't


I would be fine paying Bryant the money if that's where he fell. Now he could end up being there at #10....then we pay him #10 money, but if he's the BPA at say #5 then we have to pay him that. Crabtree's unwillingness to budge and his "attitude" at this juncture makes it real hard to foresee dropping #5 $$$ to appease him. I would rather spend the money on a kid who wants to be in SF, play for Sing, and get to work ASAP. Crabtree has become a merc before he ever got $1, I don't see any loyalty to him....he doesn't deserve to wear a 9er jersey.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by ads_2006:


gives crabtree more incentive to re-enter the draft


I know people will get angry, but this draft would come down to two receivers: Bryant and Crabtree. I don't see anyone in their class. And, that is good news for the team if someone is looking for a special WR, and is willing to trade their mid-first rounder in order to get him. Or, if a team like Dallas is willing to part with an Anthony Spencer and another draft pick.

As much as I hate it, I agree with that fact.

There aren't that many good (great?) wr's in this draft. A couple of late rounders to me seem like they can be solid # 2's maybe #1's with some good work and effort. but Bryant and Crabs are above them.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Hey MadDog or OnTheClock, do you think we can get the OT Bulaga from Iowa as our RT? Also what do you think of the cornerback Patrick Robinson from FSU? Thanks

It really depends if he comes out. He's been dinged a bit this year, and most top level LT's these days are staying in for their senior year. I don't expect him to come out.

As for Robinson, I think he's an excellent playmaker. At the same time, the Niners have a great secondary (the best unit on the field for the team this season...by far), so I do not see any moves to pick up a guy in the back four. And, he's probably 5'10", which is a tough sell for me when WR's are getting bigger around the league. And, this team likes 6'+ CB's on the roster.

At RT, I think they'd look heavily at Ciron Black, if he is still on the board. He's a bigger, road-grading OT compared to the more nimble guys like Okung, who are better suited at LT. Black might still be on the board at 18 or so. By the early twenties, he's almost assuredly going to be gone.

MadDog, couple thoughts/questions.

-You say we wouldn't go for a player in the secondary. I have to believe that if Carolina really struggles and grants us a top5/10 pick, basically in position to pick up Berry, we would really have to consider him. Just like you pointed to earlier, Berry and Suh are clearly the two best prospects in college football today. If either is available I think we go after them, even though it could be argued that neither one plays a position of major need.

-Also you said Cody looks fat/unmovable. Is this a good or bad thing? Fat=bad, unmovable=good, fat and unmovable = ???.

-Anthony Spencer? Why so much love for a guy with 4.5 career sacks, who plays behind one of the strongest D-lines in the game? Sounds like another TBC experiment to me.

-Is Suh a potential NT in our system? Doesn't seem like we ask the Nose to take up double teams as much as some other 34 teams.

-Slightly off the draft topic, what did you think of Brooks' play this weekend? I think he might be better than he's been given credit for.

-Where does Ciron Black rank amongst the OTs taken last year?

-Finally, do you think these are needs that can be answered in FA? Which ones can/can't?
[ Edited by RollinWith21n52 on Sep 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM ]
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.
Im having trouble fathoming crabtree really sitting the season. I mean I realize things look glum, but whenever I think that he could never be a niner, it seems ridiculous to me. I really cant understand how either side can be so stubborn over something like this.

I am really hoping he joins the team, him combined with 2 first round picks would be so much better than losing him and drafting another WR with one of our first rounders.

Everyone was dreaming of Crabs and we got him AND were gonna have 2 1sts, one possibly very high. Things would look even better if Crabs did sign

Sorry didnt mean to make this a crabtree post, just pointing out that signing him makes things look even better in the draft.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.

Lets not take FA out of it completely. Good chance Merriman doesn't resign with the Chargers, and even though he's having a down year, he's still a premier pass rusher in this league, and will be dominant once FULLY healthy. Wouldn't be surprised to see Manusky push for his former superstar LB. Not getting carried away, but this IS a possible situation.

As for Crabtree, I'm very curious to hear your opinion. How likely is it that he is a niner, and if not, how high of a pick do you think we can get for him? A possible even trade for Bryant?
Crabtree will be the top WR prospect next draft even after a year holding out, but I do not see that happening. My guess is that he signs by Nov. deadline because 49ers really don't need him right now so they are hanging tight to see if his demand lowers. I'm also sure Crabtree doesn't want to risk entering the draft either so he will sign, but he will wait till November because he is not in need of money. The 49ers will give Crabs a bigger contract and Crabs will lower his demand, I'm guessing both will have to meet about half ways.

Why I believe this will happen is because 49ers really want Crabs and Crabs keeping in shape by having a trainer go everywhere he goes. This hold out is just business nothing more.

This will free up the 49ers to concentrate on OL and Defence in the draft. Who I would love the 49ers to draft Berry if not Mays with Carolina's pick. With ours we should get an OL IMO. We will get a pass rusher in free agency or draft.
The problem Crabtree faces is the number of D-linemen entering the draft. D-linemen are always more valuable than diva-type WRs. So the following 8 players will be very difficult for Crabtree to break. 1. Bradford, 2. McCoy, 3. Suh, 4. Dunlap, 5. Berry, 6. Bryant, 7. Austin, and 8. Okung. He's essentially being offered #9 money. The reason being is that two teams currently holding top ten picks: us and Cleveland, won't draft him. In our case we can't draft him and Cleveland saw through his act. So that's 20% of the picks if everything holds. So which of these 8 would you draft over Crabtree? Well given his current demands pretty much all of them. BTW, as much as I like Suh, McCoy is the better D-lineman IMO. All we get out here is big 12 so I've watched both of them play and he is more explosive and athletic than Suh. Reminds me more of Seymour than any of the others. Plus no knee injury history. No team will break the slotting system for Crabtree next year because he has no leverage. What is he gonna sit out a second time?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.

I doubt we let Crabs re-enter the draft, he will be traded. I'm very confident we can get a 1st for him, somebody will bite. Ciron I do agree would be a wise choice, plug him next to Chilo and call it a day.

Going into this year I did want Berry...but that was before we moved Roman to the bench. I agree with MD the DB's have played very well and I don't want to burn a 1st or a 2nd on another one. Goldson has played fine so far and R Smith looked very good in the preseason. Although I love Berry, the pick doesn't make much sense. I know BPA is always he mantra but we have some glaring holes that need filling.

Dez would give us a 3rd playmaker on the O that we need. Morgan, Dez, and Davis actually make for a pretty good set of receiving weapons. Anything we can do to unstack the box for Gore will always be a positive.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.

I doubt we let Crabs re-enter the draft, he will be traded. I'm very confident we can get a 1st for him, somebody will bite. Ciron I do agree would be a wise choice, plug him next to Chilo and call it a day.

Going into this year I did want Berry...but that was before we moved Roman to the bench. I agree with MD the DB's have played very well and I don't want to burn a 1st or a 2nd on another one. Goldson has played fine so far and R Smith looked very good in the preseason. Although I love Berry, the pick doesn't make much sense. I know BPA is always he mantra but we have some glaring holes that need filling.

Dez would give us a 3rd playmaker on the O that we need. Morgan, Dez, and Davis actually make for a pretty good set of receiving weapons. Anything we can do to unstack the box for Gore will always be a positive.

I wouldn't pass on Eric Berry if we had the opportunity to draft him. He's a special talent in the mold of Ed Reed. I like Reggie Smith, but there is no comparison here.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.

I doubt we let Crabs re-enter the draft, he will be traded. I'm very confident we can get a 1st for him, somebody will bite. Ciron I do agree would be a wise choice, plug him next to Chilo and call it a day.

Going into this year I did want Berry...but that was before we moved Roman to the bench. I agree with MD the DB's have played very well and I don't want to burn a 1st or a 2nd on another one. Goldson has played fine so far and R Smith looked very good in the preseason. Although I love Berry, the pick doesn't make much sense. I know BPA is always he mantra but we have some glaring holes that need filling.

Dez would give us a 3rd playmaker on the O that we need. Morgan, Dez, and Davis actually make for a pretty good set of receiving weapons. Anything we can do to unstack the box for Gore will always be a positive.

I wouldn't pass on Eric Berry if we had the opportunity to draft him. He's a special talent in the mold of Ed Reed. I like Reggie Smith, but there is no comparison here.

I agree Goldson and Smith aren't in the same class as Berry but our offense isn't going to change unless we improve it. Last year all the needs we passed on are still needs today. If we continue to ignore the problems they will never go away. Would I be upset if we drafted Berry...of course not but A) I don't expect him to be available and B) I would rather add a weapon on offense.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I had the chance to see Benn live this week at the Illinois-Ohio State game. This is a kid who is going to surely get overdrafted if he runs a fast forty time, because he is simply not that good.

He is a fast player on the field, but not nearly as explosive as the DeSean Jacksons, Ted Ginn, Jr.s, Jeremy Maclins of the world. Didn't see the burst at all.

Benn needs to be broken down in his route running. Just too sloppy to make a difference at the next level.

I know many see him as a first rounder, but I've got to be honest, I was really let down by his play. He was just not a difference maker at all, and appears to be a third round prospect more than a first rounder.

Benn is a first rounder if he stays and gets more work in in his senior year. Right now, he's a late first based on potential. He releases from press-coverage well due to his strength and physicality, and obviously he moves extremely well for his size. Reminds me somewhat of Marques Colston.

I'd never expect a guy at 6-2 220 to be as explosive or as quick as a 5-10 170 pound receiver like Jackson or Johnson; that's obviously just not possible.

He really needs a senior year. I'm just not sure he'll want to stick around with the QB's on the roster next season, and the system they play.

One note: If Benn is 6'2", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I think this will be more like the Michael Crabtree measurement where a 6'2" receiver is more like 6' 1/2". He's not 6'2", even though that is high listing.

MD a few questions for you. If we don't end up signing Crabs which now I'm really starting to doubt, would you be in favor of drafting Bryant? With Carolina's 1st rounder I'm expecting a top 5 pick, does it make sense to take Bryant so the Crabs situation is a wash? Crabs wants top 5 money I would rather draft a kid in that position and spend the money accordingly.

Also who do you have down as prospective NT's for us?

Considering the shopping list as of now reads:
ROT
LG
OLB
NT
WR
QB

What do you see fill-able for this years draft?

The Niners could look at WR with Bryant. I think he'll end up going somewhere in the 7-10 slot. Carolina has a rough schedule ahead, in a competitive division, and may be in that area on draft day, when we use their pick. This team surely needs a playmaker at WR, badly, and I'm beginning to think that Morgan has been vastly overrated as a future star. And, I think Bryant is going to be nasty in the NFL. I love his attitude on the field.

As for NT's, the one that really stands out is Cody. However, I think the Niners are going to re-sign Franklin, who works well in this current system.

I agree that ROT and LG are huge priorities. I'd be shocked to see Baas on the roster after this year. I expect the Niners to let him walk. And, Snyder is best suited as a reserve lineman.

The good news is that secondary looks great, and the interior LB's are set for the future. We still lack one dominant pass rusher.

So, to me, the priority list looks like this:
WR
RT
LG
OLB

If the team can magically sign Crabtree (I agree that it looks mor unlikely every day...he's not even in the Bay Area anymore), then they can focus heavily on the OL and OLB position.

I think we can trade him away for a late 1st rounder pretty easily. Going in with a 3 1st rounders one of which could be a top 5 would be major. We could hit WR, OLB, and RT before day 2 even starts!!! With the possibility of Bruce, Battle, and Spurlock being gone after this year I'm thinking we may actually draft 2 WR's this year. I know it's a ways out but what do you think of Shipley? Bryant, Morgan, and Shipley would be a nice set of guys to throw the ball to.

I'm also betting we draft a QB this year as well and finally say goodbye to Smith. I know he makes for a good #2 QB but really whats the point. If LeFevour, Pike or even Hiller are around in the 2nd to 3rd I don't see why we cant pull the trigger. If we can trade back a little with 1 of our 1st rounders we should be able to snag an additional 2nd a take one of these guys.

Allow me to interject briefly.

If Crabtree does indeed re-enter the draft, I think it quite possibly could absolutely be the case that he and Dez Bryant are the top two receivers taken. A year out of football didn't stop Marriuchi from selecting Mike Williams for the Lions, (horrible selection, albeit).

There were four linemen I wanted to key in on -- two seniors, two juniors. All four, I feel could be looked at as top RT prospects. The two seniors were Trent Williams (OU) and Ciron Black (LSU), both who I really like. The juniors were Bulaga (Iowa) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). While talented, Bulaga has been hurt, and Davis has not been as good as I had hoped this year. Fine in the run-game, but so-so in pass protection.

If Carolina lands us a top ten pick, I think our best course of action would be to hope either Berry, Bryant, Suh or a guy like Dunlap if he declares is there, and then go after a tackle and pass-rusher with our next 1st, and 2nd round picks. I could see the 49ers also going after Taylor Mays, although I'm not sure I'd be so high on that pick.

I also think the 49ers are prepared to sit tight with Hill as the starter for now, and will continue to build the lines and receiving corps. But the key thing is.. We must, must, must draft a pass-rusher this year.

I doubt we let Crabs re-enter the draft, he will be traded. I'm very confident we can get a 1st for him, somebody will bite. Ciron I do agree would be a wise choice, plug him next to Chilo and call it a day.

Going into this year I did want Berry...but that was before we moved Roman to the bench. I agree with MD the DB's have played very well and I don't want to burn a 1st or a 2nd on another one. Goldson has played fine so far and R Smith looked very good in the preseason. Although I love Berry, the pick doesn't make much sense. I know BPA is always he mantra but we have some glaring holes that need filling.

Dez would give us a 3rd playmaker on the O that we need. Morgan, Dez, and Davis actually make for a pretty good set of receiving weapons. Anything we can do to unstack the box for Gore will always be a positive.

I wouldn't pass on Eric Berry if we had the opportunity to draft him. He's a special talent in the mold of Ed Reed. I like Reggie Smith, but there is no comparison here.

I agree Goldson and Smith aren't in the same class as Berry but our offense isn't going to change unless we improve it. Last year all the needs we passed on are still needs today. If we continue to ignore the problems they will never go away. Would I be upset if we drafted Berry...of course not but A) I don't expect him to be available and B) I would rather add a weapon on offense.

I agree that we really need to get more weapons on offense so we can unstack the box & actually be able to have choices on what we run.