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The 2010 Draft and our 2 1st rounders

Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by 49ersfan80:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by 49ersfan80:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We still have needs virtually everywhere.

OT, OG, Speed RB.

DE, NT, OLB, S, CB

KR.

I honestly believe our first two picks almost assuredly have to be OL unless it is 200% clear that there's a BPA we have to pick otherwise.

If Okung, Williams, and Berry are off the board with our first pick I still think Bryant becomes a real possibility. If Alex continues to play well a big part of his success will be because of the better personnel around him. With Vernon looking like a probowler, Crabtree making a very quick splash, and Morgan still coming into his own I think we can afford to take a shot at Dez. Spurlock, Battle, and Bruce will be gone so we will have a few vacant spots available. I think a group consisting of Crabtree, Bryant, Morgan, Jones, and Hill is actually pretty solid. A side bonus would be having Bryant fill the role of KR/PR. Then with our 2nd 1st rounder take the best o lineman available.

If our targets are off the board

we will trade down

McCloughan has never traded down in his five drafts as 49ers GM. And NFL teams are hating those high first round pick rookie contracts even more and more. The 49ers got no offers in the 09 draft to trade down from the 10th pick even with a top five talent in the draft Crabtree still available. And even if you do somehow pull off a trade down, you will most likely be fleeced a la the Browns by the Jets. The Browns have garbage at QB, and their best wide receiver is a rookie 2nd round pick. The Browns passed over Sanchez and Crabtree to take the savior of their offense with a pick in the 20s: Center Alex Mack.

Crabtree was number 1 on our boards

Thats why we didnt trade down, would have taken a significant offer to do so.

If it comes time down to draft time and the best player available is ranked 6 or 5th on our board, dont be surprised if we trade down.

LOL. First of all, no one in the 49ers organization said Crabtree was number one on the 49ers draft board. You made that crap up. Second, just because you want to trade down doesnt mean it will happen. If you dont believe that check the story on this link:
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2009/04/mccloughan-seve.html
Never mind, you'll make something up again so I'll just copy and paste the gist of article here:

McCloughan: Seven teams want to trade top pick
According to Scot McCloughan, just about every team ahead of the 49ers is trying to trade back. Whether it's because of a dearth of talent or the amount of money required for a Top 10 pick, McCloughan said in a media session with the beatwriters a few minutes ago that seven of the nine teams ahead of the 49ers have called and said they had no problem trading down.

I know who I want, and it’s Michael Crabtree,” McCloughan had answered instantly. “To me he’s a home run, an impact player who gives us something we don’t have.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-trippintuesday042809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I said dont be surprised if we trade down, I dont want to trade down, but I can understand why it would happen

if berry suh okung dunlap and mays are off the board no one else worth getting with a top 10 pick those 5 should be our targets iwth the panthers pick in the draft
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We still have needs virtually everywhere.

OT, OG, Speed RB.

DE, NT, OLB, S, CB

KR.

I honestly believe our first two picks almost assuredly have to be OL unless it is 200% clear that there's a BPA we have to pick otherwise.

If Carolina wins 6 games, they might pick 10-12th. In that case, we might be looking at OT Trent Williams.


Best course of action?

1) Look for a S/CB/RB who can double as a KR.
2) Get one pure guard, one pure tackle, and then a versatile tweener who can play everywhere.
3) With Briggs developing on the PS, and Jean-Francois as well in the active 53, with Balmer playing pretty well, we can probably look more for NT and go after UDFA's for DE, releasing D.Evans.
4) I think we're going to try and start Reggie and perhaps develop Curtis Taylor as future SS, so we may not draft an SS either.

I wouldn't be opposed to a draft like this:

1. Trent Williams-OT-Oklahoma
1. Mike Lupati-OG-Idaho
2. Eric Norwood-DE/OLB-South Carolina
3. Javier Arenas-CB/KR-Alabama
4. Chris Scott-OL-Tennessee
5. Dexter Davis-OLB-Arizona
6. Patrick Stoudemire-CB/KR-Western Illinois
7. Dan Williams-NT-Tennessee

UDFA: Corey Peters-DE/DT-Kentucky, Antonio Baker-S-Louisiana Tech

Considering this thread is regarding our 2 first rounders...I love those picks!

The production of Crabtree, Gore, Vernon, and whoever is our long term QB depend on a NFL calibur OL...and not the product we have had to swallow recently.
If our guy wasn't there and we traded down, that could blow the draft wide open. Landing an extra 2nd could allow us to land three potential starting OL.

Think Trent Williams + Lupati + Pass-rusher + Fox (Miami)/Callahan (Iowa)

Landing a pass-rusher, a better pass-rusher, in any of those four slots could be done now while still preserving top notch value at each slot.
I'm not convinced the top-end OL talent will there for us to take in the 1st rounds, seeing as the terrible teams will likely be needing OL. I'd be content drafting OL in the later rounds to provide quality depth, which we sorely lack.


Still, a good draft to me:

1a) Trent Williams, OT
1b) Jerry Hughes, OLB
2) Trevard Lindley, CB
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by 49ersfan80:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by 49ersfan80:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We still have needs virtually everywhere.

OT, OG, Speed RB.

DE, NT, OLB, S, CB

KR.

I honestly believe our first two picks almost assuredly have to be OL unless it is 200% clear that there's a BPA we have to pick otherwise.

If Okung, Williams, and Berry are off the board with our first pick I still think Bryant becomes a real possibility. If Alex continues to play well a big part of his success will be because of the better personnel around him. With Vernon looking like a probowler, Crabtree making a very quick splash, and Morgan still coming into his own I think we can afford to take a shot at Dez. Spurlock, Battle, and Bruce will be gone so we will have a few vacant spots available. I think a group consisting of Crabtree, Bryant, Morgan, Jones, and Hill is actually pretty solid. A side bonus would be having Bryant fill the role of KR/PR. Then with our 2nd 1st rounder take the best o lineman available.

If our targets are off the board

we will trade down

McCloughan has never traded down in his five drafts as 49ers GM. And NFL teams are hating those high first round pick rookie contracts even more and more. The 49ers got no offers in the 09 draft to trade down from the 10th pick even with a top five talent in the draft Crabtree still available. And even if you do somehow pull off a trade down, you will most likely be fleeced a la the Browns by the Jets. The Browns have garbage at QB, and their best wide receiver is a rookie 2nd round pick. The Browns passed over Sanchez and Crabtree to take the savior of their offense with a pick in the 20s: Center Alex Mack.

Crabtree was number 1 on our boards

Thats why we didnt trade down, would have taken a significant offer to do so.

If it comes time down to draft time and the best player available is ranked 6 or 5th on our board, dont be surprised if we trade down.

LOL. First of all, no one in the 49ers organization said Crabtree was number one on the 49ers draft board. You made that crap up. Second, just because you want to trade down doesnt mean it will happen. If you dont believe that check the story on this link:
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2009/04/mccloughan-seve.html
Never mind, you'll make something up again so I'll just copy and paste the gist of article here:

McCloughan: Seven teams want to trade top pick
According to Scot McCloughan, just about every team ahead of the 49ers is trying to trade back. Whether it's because of a dearth of talent or the amount of money required for a Top 10 pick, McCloughan said in a media session with the beatwriters a few minutes ago that seven of the nine teams ahead of the 49ers have called and said they had no problem trading down.

I know who I want, and it’s Michael Crabtree,” McCloughan had answered instantly. “To me he’s a home run, an impact player who gives us something we don’t have.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-trippintuesday042809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I said dont be surprised if we trade down, I dont want to trade down, but I can understand why it would happen

if berry suh okung dunlap and mays are off the board no one else worth getting with a top 10 pick those 5 should be our targets iwth the panthers pick in the draft

I personally dont think that Mays is worth a top 10 pick (or even top 15 for that matter)... and I'm a trojan graduate.
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If and only if Alex Smith can really be the answer at QB I would say stay away from QB. If not then we must draft a QB.

If Alex Smith is the answer, and we are out of the reach of the top 5 players (Berry, Suh, Okung, Bradford etc)

We should trade DOWN and pick up another #2

1a. C.J. Spiller
1b. Sam Young, Anthony Davis, or the best available RT

2a. Mike Lupati
2b. Hopefully a good Passrusher is available

3. Javier Arenas, Trevard Lindley
Originally posted by ajveltri:
If and only if Alex Smith can really be the answer at QB I would say stay away from QB. If not then we must draft a QB.

If Alex Smith is the answer, and we are out of the reach of the top 5 players (Berry, Suh, Okung, Bradford etc)

We should trade DOWN and pick up another #2

1a. C.J. Spiller
1b. Sam Young, Anthony Davis, or the best available RT

2a. Mike Lupati
2b. Hopefully a good Passrusher is available

3. Javier Arenas, Trevard Lindley

Looks good.
I think we're all in agreement that we need a haul up of offensive linemen in this upcoming draft. As of now, my first 4 picks in the upcoming draft would be:

1a. CJ Spiller - I have him here as my first selection because I have a feeling that he's going to perform VERY well at the combine. Also, we need that change of pace back that can even play some slot at receiver. Overall, great weapon on offense. This is also predicting that Eric Berry and Ndamukong Suh are off the board.

1b. Mike Iupati - I am not taking a risk on waiting to select this guy in the 2nd round because I'm sure he'll be off the board. The man is an athletic giant that can help open up holes on either guard side. It'll be reminiscent of the days when Larry Allen was here. They may also give him a shot at RT.

2. Jason Fox - If we were lucky enough to get Fox in the 2nd, then Iupati can stick to guard and our o-line would be set for years.

3. Bradon Graham - relentless pass rusher with a non stop motor. Reminds me a lot of Lamar Woodley.
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I def agree about Lupati, if we have to use him in the first round then so be it, I am not opposed to that at all. 6'5 330 and athletic I will take in round 1.

C.J. Spiller I believe can be had in the late teens of the draft so if we have a top 10 pick from Carolina, like at around 8 or 9, and we can trade down and pick up a 2 I say we are ahead of the game.

We can get Spiller, and Lupati in Round 1 and then with out 2 number 2's hopefully a good starting caliber RT and a Pass Rusher, and nab a solid Corner in Rd. 3

Then 4-7 get a NT, speedy WR, 3-4 DE, BPA?
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by ajveltri:
If and only if Alex Smith can really be the answer at QB I would say stay away from QB. If not then we must draft a QB.

If Alex Smith is the answer, and we are out of the reach of the top 5 players (Berry, Suh, Okung, Bradford etc)

We should trade DOWN and pick up another #2

1a. C.J. Spiller
1b. Sam Young, Anthony Davis, or the best available RT

2a. Mike Lupati
2b. Hopefully a good Passrusher is available

3. Javier Arenas, Trevard Lindley

Looks good.

agreed, adding spiller will just make our offense f**kng sick if alex turns out to be the qb of this past sunday. just thinking of that offense gets me so hyped
  • Kolohe
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Mike Iupati!!!!
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Mike Iupati!!!!

Ya that was fast becoming a pet peeve of mine.
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Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Mike Iupati!!!!

Ya that was fast becoming a pet peeve of mine.

I know.

I'm on the fence about Spiller. As a RB, I just don't see where he'd get touches in our offense, since we barely get the ball enough to Gore as is (falling behind quickly and going 3-and-out constantly doesn't help). Not to mention, Gore hasn't been able to do anything behind our crap OL anyways.

But he does have tremendous value in the return game, so....
Originally posted by znk916:
I'm on the fence about Spiller. As a RB, I just don't see where he'd get touches in our offense, since we barely get the ball enough to Gore as is (falling behind quickly and going 3-and-out constantly doesn't help). Not to mention, Gore hasn't been able to do anything behind our crap OL anyways.

But he does have tremendous value in the return game, so....

thats why we can get oline help in fa and in the draft to help out the running gm. once the oline gets solved everything on the offensive side will be very good. we can use spiller like the saints use bush