***NBA PLAYOFFS 2016-2017 Thread***

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Warriors are that new team that I just want to see lose primarily because of Draymond. I don't know why but they are that team for me these days. Used to be the Lakers.

If I was a Spurs fan, I would hate the Warriors too. It must get tiresome reading how Warrior fans and basically any legit NBA fan/analyst correctly discredits their boy Kawhi's DPOY awardS by saying they should have been Draymond's.

How many analysts say Kawhi didn't deserve last two DPOY award?

Not sure there are many. There will be this year though if Draymond doesnt win it

I agree. Draymond wins it easily this season. Don't think anyone but Kawhi deserved to win last two years.

...and I never heard any analyst discredit Kawhi's two DPOY awards. That was news to me - though I admit I don't watch shows like PTI, First Take, Undisputed etc - which I found to be catered for casual fans.

Any analyst who placed value in DefRtg on the court versus off the court had a huge problem with Kawhi's DPOY award last year. The Warriors net rating was 12 points lower when Draymond was on the court versus when he was off. The Spurs net rating was 4.6 points lower with Kawhi on the court than without. That stat basically showed how much more valuable Draymond was defensively than Kawhi.

As far as Kawhi's first award goes, a lot of analysts had a problem with the fact that Kawhi missed nearly 25% of his team's games. Not that he wasnt having a DPOY type year. But they didnt agree with someone who missed such a large amount of games should be given the award.

Which analysts? Can you provide some names?

I don't think you can use on the court off the court points stats. Green on the court heavily influences the flow of the Warriors offense as well. This is also a factor in how much their point diff increases whereas the Spurs don't heavily rely on Leonard as the one who makes the offense flow since they have a different style of how the ball moves.

Now factor in that Leonard expunges much more energy on offense through dribble penetration or touches. On defense, he guards the opponent's best offensive player where more energy is expunged and defense is more difficult whereas Green mostly guards the front court, which in this era, is not as difficult as it was 10+ years ago.

I do agree Green occasionally gets on a teams best front court player but this is entirely different than chasing around elite point guards, 2-guards, and small forwards.

They are both very talented defensive players all around and both have strengths in different areas where the other is week, but I don't think basing off court vs on court point differential is directly correlated to better defense.

Draymond is possibly a better candidate for MVP over Leonard because I don't think the Warriors sniff the Finals without him, but then again, same can be said for the Spurs without Leonard.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think you can use on the court off the court points stats. Green on the court heavily influences the flow of the Warriors offense as well. This is also a factor in how much their point diff increases whereas the Spurs don't heavily rely on Leonard as the one who makes the offense flow since they have a different style of how the ball moves.

Now factor in that Leonard expunges much more energy on offense through dribble penetration or touches. On defense, he guards the opponent's best offensive player where more energy is expunged and defense is more difficult whereas Green mostly guards the front court, which in this era, is not as difficult as it was 10+ years ago.

I do agree Green occasionally gets on a teams best front court player but this is entirely different than chasing around elite point guards, 2-guards, and small forwards.

They are both very talented defensive players all around and both have strengths in different areas where the other is week, but I don't think basing off court vs on court point differential is directly correlated to better defense.

Draymond is possibly a better candidate for MVP over Leonard because I don't think the Warriors sniff the Finals without him, but then again, same can be said for the Spurs without Leonard.

The Warriors would still have a shot at the finals without Draymond while the Spurs would have zero chance without Leonard

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think you can use on the court off the court points stats. Green on the court heavily influences the flow of the Warriors offense as well. This is also a factor in how much their point diff increases whereas the Spurs don't heavily rely on Leonard as the one who makes the offense flow since they have a different style of how the ball moves.

Now factor in that Leonard expunges much more energy on offense through dribble penetration or touches. On defense, he guards the opponent's best offensive player where more energy is expunged and defense is more difficult whereas Green mostly guards the front court, which in this era, is not as difficult as it was 10+ years ago.

I do agree Green occasionally gets on a teams best front court player but this is entirely different than chasing around elite point guards, 2-guards, and small forwards.

They are both very talented defensive players all around and both have strengths in different areas where the other is week, but I don't think basing off court vs on court point differential is directly correlated to better defense.

Draymond is possibly a better candidate for MVP over Leonard because I don't think the Warriors sniff the Finals without him, but then again, same can be said for the Spurs without Leonard.

The Warriors would still have a shot at the finals without Draymond while the Spurs would have zero chance without Leonard

I'm not sure. Draymond is a damn good player and a player I would not be upset about if he was a high MVP candidate and DPOY. He's the glue of the Warriors. Crazy good team though in that Green and Thompson are two of the better defensive players in the league and they are on the best offensive teams in the league.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Warriors are that new team that I just want to see lose primarily because of Draymond. I don't know why but they are that team for me these days. Used to be the Lakers.

If I was a Spurs fan, I would hate the Warriors too. It must get tiresome reading how Warrior fans and basically any legit NBA fan/analyst correctly discredits their boy Kawhi's DPOY awardS by saying they should have been Draymond's.

How many analysts say Kawhi didn't deserve last two DPOY award?

Not sure there are many. There will be this year though if Draymond doesnt win it

I agree. Draymond wins it easily this season. Don't think anyone but Kawhi deserved to win last two years.

...and I never heard any analyst discredit Kawhi's two DPOY awards. That was news to me - though I admit I don't watch shows like PTI, First Take, Undisputed etc - which I found to be catered for casual fans.

Any analyst who placed value in DefRtg on the court versus off the court had a huge problem with Kawhi's DPOY award last year. The Warriors net rating was 12 points lower when Draymond was on the court versus when he was off. The Spurs net rating was 4.6 points lower with Kawhi on the court than without. That stat basically showed how much more valuable Draymond was defensively than Kawhi.

As far as Kawhi's first award goes, a lot of analysts had a problem with the fact that Kawhi missed nearly 25% of his team's games. Not that he wasnt having a DPOY type year. But they didnt agree with someone who missed such a large amount of games should be given the award.

Which analysts? Can you provide some names?

I don't think you can use on the court off the court points stats. Green on the court heavily influences the flow of the Warriors offense as well. This is also a factor in how much their point diff increases whereas the Spurs don't heavily rely on Leonard as the one who makes the offense flow since they have a different style of how the ball moves.

Now factor in that Leonard expunges much more energy on offense through dribble penetration or touches. On defense, he guards the opponent's best offensive player where more energy is expunged and defense is more difficult whereas Green mostly guards the front court, which in this era, is not as difficult as it was 10+ years ago.

I do agree Green occasionally gets on a teams best front court player but this is entirely different than chasing around elite point guards, 2-guards, and small forwards.

They are both very talented defensive players all around and both have strengths in different areas where the other is week, but I don't think basing off court vs on court point differential is directly correlated to better defense.

Draymond is possibly a better candidate for MVP over Leonard because I don't think the Warriors sniff the Finals without him, but then again, same can be said for the Spurs without Leonard.

That isnt what I was talking about. I was talking about Defensive Rating, not points scored in the game. Offense has nothing to do with that metric.

Damn...What a dunk. TT got posterized

Lol khloe got yammed on.. that was dirty

Pacers are hitting some tough shots but Cavs defense is pathetic.

Cavs coasting again lol

Damn,...well if the Pacers were going to win a game it was going to be tonight. Series doesn't start until someone wins on the road.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Cavs coasting again lol

This is not coasting. Their defense sucks.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Cavs coasting again lol

This is not coasting. Their defense sucks.

Cavs right now have the mentality that we can just outscore these teams, which for the most part is true. The true test will come against GS where they will have to play defense. Can they turn the switch on again?

Toronto looks outmatched

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Cavs coasting again lol

This is not coasting. Their defense sucks.

come back though

Lol told you Cavs were just coasting.

They will come back and win this game.

Pacers not gonna hang on. Cavs look ready to roll them in the 4th.