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I'll leave you two be..and you both know how big of a MLB fan I am..but the most "pressure packed, dramatic sport" out there is the National Hockey League. If you wanna use playoff baseball as an example, then I will use NHL playoffs as an example as well.

NHL playoffs are un-f**king-believable. Especially live. Go watch a game live and it will be one of your best live sports experiences of your life.

[ Edited by jrg on Oct 7, 2016 at 1:31 AM ]
Originally posted by jrg:
I'll leave you two be..and you both know how big of a MLB fan I am..but the most "pressure packed, dramatic sport" out there is the National Hockey League. If you wanna use playoff baseball as an example, then I will use NHL playoffs as an example as well.

NHL playoffs are un-f**king-believable. Especially live. Go watch a game live and it will be one of your best live sports experiences of your live.


Youre right. Playoff hockey is crazy stressful, especially in OT. Very frustrating too.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by jrg:
I'll leave you two be..and you both know how big of a MLB fan I am..but the most "pressure packed, dramatic sport" out there is the National Hockey League. If you wanna use playoff baseball as an example, then I will use NHL playoffs as an example as well.

NHL playoffs are un-f**king-believable. Especially live. Go watch a game live and it will be one of your best live sports experiences of your live.


Youre right. Playoff hockey is crazy stressful, especially in OT. Very frustrating too.

Like I said, you obviously know the baseball fan I am, but NHL playoffs are just untouchable to me at least.
Originally posted by Janitor:
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
NFL is THE gladiator event of our times. USA is THE Rome of our times. Until the fall of the empire NFL will be the blood sport of choice. Soccer might be bigger worldwide but those players get a broken eyelash and they fall on the ground writhing in pain. Plus they have there long term head/brain injury issues to deal with. The way our youth are going it will video games played at big arenas and called sport.

What? Soccer doesn't have a history of head injuries....unless you are meaning the NFL. I can't tell based on the way you wrote the post.

Soccer has about 17 concussions per 100,000 athletic exposure. Football, for comparison, is 64 - 76.8. Well over 3 times more.

Probably related to the soccer players from the era when the ball was heavier and the reporting was not linked. But there is some evidence that those players who are now reaching older age have an unusually high dementia and Alzheimer's rate. I saw a recent special on it but I can't remember where the link is and the player involved (UK).

The balls are lighter today but these guys routinely smash that ball in practice and games with ther head. It is law suit waiting to happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/01/football-heading-brain-damage

"Worryingly, some of the college soccer players had brain injuries as bad as the American footballers that the Purdue University team have studied. That should be a wake-up call to sceptics who can't imagine that a lightweight football can cause significant damage."
[ Edited by KeepRabbitsOut on Oct 7, 2016 at 3:09 AM ]
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Originally posted by Janitor:
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
NFL is THE gladiator event of our times. USA is THE Rome of our times. Until the fall of the empire NFL will be the blood sport of choice. Soccer might be bigger worldwide but those players get a broken eyelash and they fall on the ground writhing in pain. Plus they have there long term head/brain injury issues to deal with. The way our youth are going it will video games played at big arenas and called sport.

What? Soccer doesn't have a history of head injuries....unless you are meaning the NFL. I can't tell based on the way you wrote the post.

Soccer has about 17 concussions per 100,000 athletic exposure. Football, for comparison, is 64 - 76.8. Well over 3 times more.

Probably related to the soccer players from the era when the ball was heavier and the reporting was not linked. But there is some evidence that those players who are now reaching older age have an unusually high dementia and Alzheimer's rate. I saw a recent special on it but I can't remember where the link is and the player involved (UK).

The balls are lighter today but these guys routinely smash that ball in practice and games with ther head. It is law suit waiting to happen.

Yeah, the balls were leather back then too and absorbed moisture (making the ball heavier) unlike the synthetic ones they use these days. Those old guys that repeatedly headed the old waterlogged balls took a lot of knocks to the noggin.
[ Edited by Zealot on Oct 7, 2016 at 3:04 AM ]
Originally posted by Zealot:
Yeah, the balls were leather back then too and absorbed moisture (making the ball heavier) unlike the synthetic ones they use these days. Those old guys that repeatedly headed the old waterlogged balls took a lot of knocks to the noggin.

That's what the special was highlighting. Those guys must have had necks like body builders. I have edited the above response with a study that was done at Purdue.
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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Originally posted by Zealot:
Yeah, the balls were leather back then too and absorbed moisture (making the ball heavier) unlike the synthetic ones they use these days. Those old guys that repeatedly headed the old waterlogged balls took a lot of knocks to the noggin.

That's what the special was highlighting. Those guys must have had necks like body builders. I have edited the above response with a study that was done at Purdue.

No they still get concussions now.

The USA banned headers for children 10 and under.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:


Baseball is the most pressure packed, dramatic sport out there.

Uh, no. lol

Take this opportunity to watch some playoff baseball.

BTW, which sport is more dramatic then? Football, where the last 3 minutes of most games are spent running out clock? Or is it Basketball, where the last 2 minutes are spent fouling and shooting free throws in desperation to get another possession?

Because 2 minute drives never happen in football.


And baseball is always dramatic, like when there is more than a 3 run lead any point after the 7th inning and guys are just hacking away at any ball thrown close to the plate? You can twist any sport negatively if you want. Doesn't change the truth. And the truth is baseball can be dramatic, just like any sport. But a lot of the time it's just everybody standing around watching 2 guys play catch.

Baseball is never over until its over. There no clock to bleed. You have to get that 27th out regardless. Plus its a lot of black and white calls. Fair or foul. Safe or out. The other sports having constant player contact allows for refs to make any ridiculous judgement call they want and influence the outcome of the game.

Arent you supposedly a long time Giants fan? I remember you being defensive when people accuse you of not being a real fan. Kind of odd that youd be talking crap about baseball...

This is where you're making something out of nothing. I'm not bad mouthing baseball. I'm just telling the truth as I see it. Has nothing to do with who I am a fan of and for how long. But nice try. lol


And talk about ridiculous judgement calls? What about each home plate umpire deciding what they think the strike zone should be? I suggest you watch the Real Sports episode they just did on the electronic strike zone that Eric Burns is trying to push. It basically uses the technology that all the fans get to see during the game and on their phones anywhere in the world to see what a strike is or not. Yet even though this tech exists, baseball ignores it and allows each umpire to call the game incorrectly. After a study, they found the home plate umpires get exactly 1 out of every 3 calls wrong. 1/3 of the time they make the wrong call and that's deemed more acceptable than using the tech that can get the call right every time. They show Burns umpiring behind the plate and after every pitch they say strike or ball and he makes the call at the plate. There is no drop off in time of game or any delay. Watch the episode and tell me what sport relies on incorrect judgement calls more.

Umps are allowed to call their own strike zones. As long as both teams are getting equally screwed, its still a level playing field. It just infuriates the players. With today's technology and communication, it would be extremely hard to rig a baseball game, or influence it one way or the other unfairly. PITCHf/x shows the world where the ball is, so if an ump starts cheating one team, it would be seen immediately. Ultimately as long as an ump calls a consistent zone for both teams, theyre doing a good job. Players can adapt, they just want to know what the zone looks like.


But the flaw in your system is that each umpire doesn't have an exact strike zone. It drifts throughout the game and they are constantly getting calls wrong. You justify it by saying "as long as both teams are getting screwed equally"? That's absolutely preposterous. It doesn't make it ok if they get calls wrong for both teams. They are still getting calls wrong. And you say with replay they get 99% of the calls right, but balls and strikes are a part of making calls and those aren't reviewable. So game are being called wrong, and that shouldn't be ok.

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:


Baseball is the most pressure packed, dramatic sport out there.

Uh, no. lol

Take this opportunity to watch some playoff baseball.

BTW, which sport is more dramatic then? Football, where the last 3 minutes of most games are spent running out clock? Or is it Basketball, where the last 2 minutes are spent fouling and shooting free throws in desperation to get another possession?

Because 2 minute drives never happen in football.


And baseball is always dramatic, like when there is more than a 3 run lead any point after the 7th inning and guys are just hacking away at any ball thrown close to the plate? You can twist any sport negatively if you want. Doesn't change the truth. And the truth is baseball can be dramatic, just like any sport. But a lot of the time it's just everybody standing around watching 2 guys play catch.

Baseball is never over until its over. There no clock to bleed. You have to get that 27th out regardless. Plus its a lot of black and white calls. Fair or foul. Safe or out. The other sports having constant player contact allows for refs to make any ridiculous judgement call they want and influence the outcome of the game.

Arent you supposedly a long time Giants fan? I remember you being defensive when people accuse you of not being a real fan. Kind of odd that youd be talking crap about baseball...

This is where you're making something out of nothing. I'm not bad mouthing baseball. I'm just telling the truth as I see it. Has nothing to do with who I am a fan of and for how long. But nice try. lol


And talk about ridiculous judgement calls? What about each home plate umpire deciding what they think the strike zone should be? I suggest you watch the Real Sports episode they just did on the electronic strike zone that Eric Burns is trying to push. It basically uses the technology that all the fans get to see during the game and on their phones anywhere in the world to see what a strike is or not. Yet even though this tech exists, baseball ignores it and allows each umpire to call the game incorrectly. After a study, they found the home plate umpires get exactly 1 out of every 3 calls wrong. 1/3 of the time they make the wrong call and that's deemed more acceptable than using the tech that can get the call right every time. They show Burns umpiring behind the plate and after every pitch they say strike or ball and he makes the call at the plate. There is no drop off in time of game or any delay. Watch the episode and tell me what sport relies on incorrect judgement calls more.

Umps are allowed to call their own strike zones. As long as both teams are getting equally screwed, its still a level playing field. It just infuriates the players. With today's technology and communication, it would be extremely hard to rig a baseball game, or influence it one way or the other unfairly. PITCHf/x shows the world where the ball is, so if an ump starts cheating one team, it would be seen immediately. Ultimately as long as an ump calls a consistent zone for both teams, theyre doing a good job. Players can adapt, they just want to know what the zone looks like.

But the flaw in your system is that each umpire doesn't have an exact strike zone. It drifts throughout the game and they are constantly getting calls wrong. You justify it by saying "as long as both teams are getting screwed equally"? That's absolutely preposterous. It doesn't make it ok if they get calls wrong for both teams. They are still getting calls wrong. And you say with replay they get 99% of the calls right, but balls and strikes are a part of making calls and those aren't reviewable. So game are being called wrong, and that shouldn't be ok.

Pretty silly. Umps can only get so close. If you blink at the wrong time on a 98 mph pitch with movement you really can't tell where it's at in relation to say a "foxbox". Also catchers who are better at framing pitches get better strike calls. So many factors.

Plus this isn't the baseball thread.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball is the most pressure packed, dramatic sport out there.

Uh, no. lol

Take this opportunity to watch some playoff baseball.

BTW, which sport is more dramatic then? Football, where the last 3 minutes of most games are spent running out clock? Or is it Basketball, where the last 2 minutes are spent fouling and shooting free throws in desperation to get another possession?

Because 2 minute drives never happen in football.


And baseball is always dramatic, like when there is more than a 3 run lead any point after the 7th inning and guys are just hacking away at any ball thrown close to the plate? You can twist any sport negatively if you want. Doesn't change the truth. And the truth is baseball can be dramatic, just like any sport. But a lot of the time it's just everybody standing around watching 2 guys play catch.

Baseball is never over until its over. There no clock to bleed. You have to get that 27th out regardless. Plus its a lot of black and white calls. Fair or foul. Safe or out. The other sports having constant player contact allows for refs to make any ridiculous judgement call they want and influence the outcome of the game.

Arent you supposedly a long time Giants fan? I remember you being defensive when people accuse you of not being a real fan. Kind of odd that youd be talking crap about baseball...

This is where you're making something out of nothing. I'm not bad mouthing baseball. I'm just telling the truth as I see it. Has nothing to do with who I am a fan of and for how long. But nice try. lol


And talk about ridiculous judgement calls? What about each home plate umpire deciding what they think the strike zone should be? I suggest you watch the Real Sports episode they just did on the electronic strike zone that Eric Burns is trying to push. It basically uses the technology that all the fans get to see during the game and on their phones anywhere in the world to see what a strike is or not. Yet even though this tech exists, baseball ignores it and allows each umpire to call the game incorrectly. After a study, they found the home plate umpires get exactly 1 out of every 3 calls wrong. 1/3 of the time they make the wrong call and that's deemed more acceptable than using the tech that can get the call right every time. They show Burns umpiring behind the plate and after every pitch they say strike or ball and he makes the call at the plate. There is no drop off in time of game or any delay. Watch the episode and tell me what sport relies on incorrect judgement calls more.

Umps are allowed to call their own strike zones. As long as both teams are getting equally screwed, its still a level playing field. It just infuriates the players. With today's technology and communication, it would be extremely hard to rig a baseball game, or influence it one way or the other unfairly. PITCHf/x shows the world where the ball is, so if an ump starts cheating one team, it would be seen immediately. Ultimately as long as an ump calls a consistent zone for both teams, theyre doing a good job. Players can adapt, they just want to know what the zone looks like.

But the flaw in your system is that each umpire doesn't have an exact strike zone. It drifts throughout the game and they are constantly getting calls wrong. You justify it by saying "as long as both teams are getting screwed equally"? That's absolutely preposterous. It doesn't make it ok if they get calls wrong for both teams. They are still getting calls wrong. And you say with replay they get 99% of the calls right, but balls and strikes are a part of making calls and those aren't reviewable. So game are being called wrong, and that shouldn't be ok.

Pretty silly. Umps can only get so close. If you blink at the wrong time on a 98 mph pitch with movement you really can't tell where it's at in relation to say a "foxbox". Also catchers who are better at framing pitches get better strike calls. So many factors.

Plus this isn't the baseball thread.

My exact point. The game of baseball is basically one judgement call after another with the umpire getting it wrong 1/3 of the time. He tried to call out the NFL for being ruined by judgement calls. My point was baseball is way worse at this.
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball is the most pressure packed, dramatic sport out there.

Uh, no. lol

Take this opportunity to watch some playoff baseball.

BTW, which sport is more dramatic then? Football, where the last 3 minutes of most games are spent running out clock? Or is it Basketball, where the last 2 minutes are spent fouling and shooting free throws in desperation to get another possession?

Because 2 minute drives never happen in football.


And baseball is always dramatic, like when there is more than a 3 run lead any point after the 7th inning and guys are just hacking away at any ball thrown close to the plate? You can twist any sport negatively if you want. Doesn't change the truth. And the truth is baseball can be dramatic, just like any sport. But a lot of the time it's just everybody standing around watching 2 guys play catch.

Baseball is never over until its over. There no clock to bleed. You have to get that 27th out regardless. Plus its a lot of black and white calls. Fair or foul. Safe or out. The other sports having constant player contact allows for refs to make any ridiculous judgement call they want and influence the outcome of the game.

Arent you supposedly a long time Giants fan? I remember you being defensive when people accuse you of not being a real fan. Kind of odd that youd be talking crap about baseball...

This is where you're making something out of nothing. I'm not bad mouthing baseball. I'm just telling the truth as I see it. Has nothing to do with who I am a fan of and for how long. But nice try. lol


And talk about ridiculous judgement calls? What about each home plate umpire deciding what they think the strike zone should be? I suggest you watch the Real Sports episode they just did on the electronic strike zone that Eric Burns is trying to push. It basically uses the technology that all the fans get to see during the game and on their phones anywhere in the world to see what a strike is or not. Yet even though this tech exists, baseball ignores it and allows each umpire to call the game incorrectly. After a study, they found the home plate umpires get exactly 1 out of every 3 calls wrong. 1/3 of the time they make the wrong call and that's deemed more acceptable than using the tech that can get the call right every time. They show Burns umpiring behind the plate and after every pitch they say strike or ball and he makes the call at the plate. There is no drop off in time of game or any delay. Watch the episode and tell me what sport relies on incorrect judgement calls more.

Umps are allowed to call their own strike zones. As long as both teams are getting equally screwed, its still a level playing field. It just infuriates the players. With today's technology and communication, it would be extremely hard to rig a baseball game, or influence it one way or the other unfairly. PITCHf/x shows the world where the ball is, so if an ump starts cheating one team, it would be seen immediately. Ultimately as long as an ump calls a consistent zone for both teams, theyre doing a good job. Players can adapt, they just want to know what the zone looks like.

But the flaw in your system is that each umpire doesn't have an exact strike zone. It drifts throughout the game and they are constantly getting calls wrong. You justify it by saying "as long as both teams are getting screwed equally"? That's absolutely preposterous. It doesn't make it ok if they get calls wrong for both teams. They are still getting calls wrong. And you say with replay they get 99% of the calls right, but balls and strikes are a part of making calls and those aren't reviewable. So game are being called wrong, and that shouldn't be ok.

Pretty silly. Umps can only get so close. If you blink at the wrong time on a 98 mph pitch with movement you really can't tell where it's at in relation to say a "foxbox". Also catchers who are better at framing pitches get better strike calls. So many factors.

Plus this isn't the baseball thread.

My exact point. The game of baseball is basically one judgement call after another with the umpire getting it wrong 1/3 of the time. He tried to call out the NFL for being ruined by judgement calls. My point was baseball is way worse at this.

lol it's comparing apples and bowling balls

You keep saying the ump get the calls wrong. That's not always the case in baseball. Just because Fox puts the "foxbox" on your scree it's not always the strike zone according to the rules of the game. The strike zone is different for every single batter. It constantly changes throughout the game. José Altuve strike zone is half the size of normal sized players. lol

It's the width of the plate from a batters armpits to his knees. It also moves based on a batters stance.

An nfl penalty is a rule that is either broken or not.
Originally posted by Janitor:
Damn, Stoney is dropping knowledge!


I played baseball for years. I don't hate baseball. But I think it is silly to trash soccer as a boring game and tout how exciting baseball is.

lol this.

i don't watch either sport too much, but i had to choose between watching Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Dodgers vs Giants, i'll take soccer.
[ Edited by TheHYDE49er on Oct 7, 2016 at 10:36 AM ]
Originally posted by SoCold:
lol it's comparing apples and bowling balls

You keep saying the ump get the calls wrong. That's not always the case in baseball. Just because Fox puts the "foxbox" on your scree it's not always the strike zone according to the rules of the game. The strike zone is different for every single batter. It constantly changes throughout the game. José Altuve strike zone is half the size of normal sized players. lol

It's the width of the plate from a batters armpits to his knees. It also moves based on a batters stance.

An nfl penalty is a rule that is either broken or not.

but each umpire has their own strike zone. of course the strike zone should change depending on your size, but each ump changes that strike zone differently. what one ump might call a strike, another ump will call a ball.
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