Concerning - Are 49ers gonna always be a step behind the Rams??

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

None of that matters when the game is right there in your hands. He just needs to make one easy playcall like Andy Reid has many times for Mahomes, and he'd have a ring. Where's our easy gimme plays in those situations like Andy designs for his offense?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

None of that matters when the game is right there in your hands. He just needs to make one easy playcall like Andy Reid has many times for Mahomes, and he'd have a ring. Where's our easy gimme plays in those situations like Andy designs for his offense?

counter point - those easy gimme plays only look like that because of Mahomes. Andy didn't do any better than KS when he was in Philly.

Is it just coaching or is it a player or two? (and not calling holding on Bosa )

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

None of that matters when the game is right there in your hands. He just needs to make one easy playcall like Andy Reid has many times for Mahomes, and he'd have a ring. Where's our easy gimme plays in those situations like Andy designs for his offense?

counter point - those easy gimme plays only look like that because of Mahomes. Andy didn't do any better than KS when he was in Philly.

Is it just coaching or is it a player or two? (and not calling holding on Bosa )

Watch the plays again. It's all Andy. We need that from Kyle

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Of course you need a good team. But you still haven't given me a team , without an elite QB, that went yo the SB. I think Sirianni also thinks J Hurts is elite.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

None of that matters when the game is right there in your hands. He just needs to make one easy playcall like Andy Reid has many times for Mahomes, and he'd have a ring. Where's our easy gimme plays in those situations like Andy designs for his offense?

counter point - those easy gimme plays only look like that because of Mahomes. Andy didn't do any better than KS when he was in Philly.

Is it just coaching or is it a player or two? (and not calling holding on Bosa )

Watch the plays again. It's all Andy. We need that from Kyle

You watch the plays again. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Where were those plays early in the game? Why didn't he dial up the easy gimmie plays to win the game in regulation? Clearly he's just got those plays in his bag where nothing the defense does can stop it right?

Mahomes requires teams to play him differently. Where were all those plays with Alex Smith? Donovan McNabb?

Shanahan had called a play with 2 wide open WRs on the 3rd down in OT. Burford does what he's coached to do and it's an easy TD. Tho apparently not an easy gimmie play when the RG doesn't block the other team's best player.

Chiefs hold Warner on 3rd down instead with no flag - somehow Mahomes is able to find an open Rice. Just amazing work by Andy Reid drawing up that hold that doesn't get called. Why can't Kyle do that!?

Originally posted by genus49:
You watch the plays again. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Where were those plays early in the game? Why didn't he dial up the easy gimmie plays to win the game in regulation? Clearly he's just got those plays in his bag where nothing the defense does can stop it right?

Mahomes requires teams to play him differently. Where were all those plays with Alex Smith? Donovan McNabb?

Shanahan had called a play with 2 wide open WRs on the 3rd down in OT. Burford does what he's coached to do and it's an easy TD. Tho apparently not an easy gimmie play when the RG doesn't block the other team's best player.

Chiefs hold Warner on 3rd down instead with no flag - somehow Mahomes is able to find an open Rice. Just amazing work by Andy Reid drawing up that hold that doesn't get called. Why can't Kyle do that!?

This stuff still haunts me, dude :( f**king Jet McKinnon was holding our guys like his life depended on it.

a step behind is a little much, its a injury plagued year and were still 6-4.Our full squad us vs them? i take us 10/10

I'm not here to knock McVay bc he is a great head coach. If you think he is miles ahead of Kyle I think that is just plain dumb. The only thing that separates is the one Super Bowl win which apparently means everything. Both head coaches have been to 2 and if a couple plays go the Niners way we'd have at least 1 Super Bowl win maybe even 2. What's crazy is if a couple things don't go McVays way he"d have no Super Bowls.

crazy how a couple plays can define a career. What's even crazier is the head coach really don't have any control over those such plays. He's not on the field making those plays. All he can do is call the right play and pray to God the players can execute it.

If John Taylor drops the Super Bowl winning TD pass from Montana would we no longer view Bill Walsh as the goat?

No.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm not here to knock McVay bc he is a great head coach. If you think he is miles ahead of Kyle I think that is just plain dumb. The only thing that separates is the one Super Bowl win which apparently means everything. Both head coaches have been to 2 and if a couple plays go the Niners way we'd have at least 1 Super Bowl win maybe even 2. What's crazy is if a couple things don't go McVays way he"d have no Super Bowls.

crazy how a couple plays can define a career. What's even crazier is the head coach really don't have any control over those such plays. He's not on the field making those plays. All he can do is call the right play and pray to God the players can execute it.

If John Taylor drops the Super Bowl winning TD pass from Montana would we no longer view Bill Walsh as the goat?

How is this so ?

Lets look at two coaches who are also offensive coordinators

one guy has a 87-54 record and 6 playoff trips in 8 years

the other guy has a 76-66 record and 4 playoff trips in 8 years

the first guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points only once in those eight years
the second guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points six times in those eight years

I think the first guys track record is better even when he is consistently fielding worse defenses, no ? Even without the SB win

To add on to this. Dont get me wrong, I dont think theyre miles apart either.

But for any metric of coaching success, McVay is ahead of Kyle. Conversely, not sure what does Kyle have over McVay. McVay has better winning %, more playoff apperances and more SB wins despite having worse defenses and hence more pressure on offense. He also was able to successfully rebuild the team where they got a lot of young talent on defense.

You could say Kyle gets more out of less in terms of QB talent, but McVay inherited Goff who was thought to be a failure/bust and made him a pro bowler, then got Stafford.
The Niners also got a shot at Stafford and had resources to throw, but instead Kyle chose Trey Lance. So part of it is their own doing/undoing.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm not here to knock McVay bc he is a great head coach. If you think he is miles ahead of Kyle I think that is just plain dumb. The only thing that separates is the one Super Bowl win which apparently means everything. Both head coaches have been to 2 and if a couple plays go the Niners way we'd have at least 1 Super Bowl win maybe even 2. What's crazy is if a couple things don't go McVays way he"d have no Super Bowls.

crazy how a couple plays can define a career. What's even crazier is the head coach really don't have any control over those such plays. He's not on the field making those plays. All he can do is call the right play and pray to God the players can execute it.

If John Taylor drops the Super Bowl winning TD pass from Montana would we no longer view Bill Walsh as the goat?

How is this so ?

Lets look at two coaches who are also offensive coordinators

one guy has a 87-54 record and 6 playoff trips in 8 years

the other guy has a 76-66 record and 4 playoff trips in 8 years

the first guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points only once in those eight years
the second guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points six times in those eight years

I think the first guys track record is better even when he is consistently fielding worse defenses, no ? Even without the SB win

Ok now compare QBs and health of each roster.

McVay took over a team with a lot more impact pieces than what Shanahan walked into. QB alone goes a LONG way.

McVay's sample size is small but without Goff and Stafford he's 3-9. Now Kyle's record isn't great without Jimmy G or Purdy but each of those guys aren't as good as the Rams counterparts and Kyle had a lot more games coaching the "other" guys.

As I said earlier the biggest difference is McVay had his QB make a big play late(aided by the refs) and his defense held a 3 point lead.

That's not even looking at the matchups each team had to deal with. That Bengals team was probably the weakest SB opponent in decades. Burrow carried that offense but their OL was garbage and their defense was smoke and mirrors.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We are well behind the Rams on talent level, coaching, injuries. They are better and probably have the deeper run. They are in the Super Bowl hunt. We are not.

You really think a healthy team coached by Shanahan and Saleh is "well behind" the Rams in terms of talent level and coaching? Didn't we just beat them in week 5 with a depleted team? What does that say about the Rams and how well coached/talented they are?

Of course they will have the deeper playoff run this year. That's common sense.

Well their coach WON the Super Bowl. Ours never has. So there is a pretty big difference right there.

SAN... haven't I told you before that you'll never win the argument with the Shannanigans here.. his followers here still have yet to see clearly enough that our windows have closed because our HC had not made any adjustment to make this team better... he still believes too much that he can win all by himself w/any players in the roster..

They live in a land where no criticism is allowed. No head coach could ever replace him or be better. I wouldn't call it reality though.

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
a step behind is a little much, its a injury plagued year and were still 6-4.Our full squad us vs them? i take us 10/10

LOL! Rams are 4-1 in the last 5 games against us. If not for a fumble at the one years line, they'd be 5-0. Your homerism is shining through!