Concerning - Are 49ers gonna always be a step behind the Rams??

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

The question should be "Is The Niners injury riddled team always going to be a step behind a healthy Rams team?" In that case, the answer is yes.

Every season the Niners have been semi healthy(Don't even have to be a top 5 healthy team) they have either gone to the SB(twice) or a conference championship game. Every season their team was completely derailed with injuries(I am talking all-time derailed) they have missed the playoffs. Though they might make it this season because of coaching and the schedule. The biggest being the weak schedule. Something the 2020 and 2024 team didn't have because the 2020 and 2024 teams had a 1st place schedule.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
I believe the Niners blowout the Chiefs both times with McVay as HC. Whereas the Rams are worse off with Shanahan.

Shanahan is a very good HC. McVay is on a different tier

Expecting to blow out either of those Chiefs teams is pure delusion. One loss by more than one score across both seasons.

You don't think McVay can hold on to multiple ten point leads over two SB's? I definitely think he can. He definitely doesn't give up the run to have a mediocre QB throw the ball in the SB. Up ten. When time is your friend .

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
You don't think McVay can hold on to multiple ten point leads over two SB's? I definitely think he can. He definitely doesn't give up the run to have a mediocre QB throw the ball in the SB. Up ten. When time is your friend .

My guy… he ran the ball 18 total times and had Jared Goff throw 38 passes in a Super Bowl that was 3-3 entering the 4th, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
You don't think McVay can hold on to multiple ten point leads over two SB's? I definitely think he can. He definitely doesn't give up the run to have a mediocre QB throw the ball in the SB. Up ten. When time is your friend .

My guy… he ran the ball 18 total times and had Jared Goff throw 38 passes in a Super Bowl that was 3-3 entering the 4th, lol.

These dudes be yapping just to yap. They don't know s**t.

Yes.

Just stop watching.

Yes.

When they wanted to win a ring no matter what they traded all their 1st round picks for proven players.

When they realized that they weren't going to win the SB with Goff they got rid of him even with all the dead money and finally they won their ring with a real franchise QB which is something that Shanahan still doesn't have.

After winning the ring they decided to rebuild through the draft and since then they have been very successful with a lot of hits in every round and because of that now they have a SB-caliber roster.

Also McVay/Snead are way way waaaay better at roster management than Shanahan/Lynch because they don't have Cabo clicks among other things.

And for last but not least McVay doesn't have a problem with playing his rookies if they are more talented than the veteran starters. I mean, Puka Nacua would have been riding the bench in his rookie year with Shanahan. Think about that for a second.

So McVay/Snead are more aggresive when they have to. They are better at evaluating talent in the draft. They are better at roster management and McVay can evolve because now we are seeing McVay 3.0 while we are still seeing Shanahan 1.0

So yes. We always will be one step behind the Rams.

Oh and they are going to win their second ring soon. Maybe this season.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Yes.

When they wanted to win a ring no matter what they traded all their 1st round picks for proven players.

When they realized that they weren't going to win the SB with Goff they got rid of him even with all the dead money and finally they won their ring with a real franchise QB which is something that Shanahan still doesn't have.

After winning the ring they decided to rebuild through the draft and since then they have been very successful with a lot of hits in every round and because of that now they have a SB-caliber roster.

Also McVay/Snead are way way waaaay better at roster management than Shanahan/Lynch because they don't have Cabo clicks among other things.

And for last but not least McVay doesn't have a problem with playing his rookies if they are more talented than the veteran starters. I mean, Puka Nacua would have been riding the bench in his rookie year with Shanahan. Think about that for a second.

So McVay/Snead are more aggresive when they have to. They are better at evaluating talent in the draft. They are better at roster management and McVay can evolve because now we are seeing McVay 3.0 while we are still seeing Shanahan 1.0

So yes. We always will be one step behind the Rams.

Oh and they are going to win their second ring soon. Maybe this season.

lol I'm not even going to get into all of your points because I've already addressed them in various posts.

As for your last point, it sure does seem like some of the anti-ShanaLynch crowd want the Rams to win. I doubt your SB prediction is purely based on who you believe is the best team, particularly because there appear to be no true juggernauts this year and the fact the Rams lost to a hospital team, among other indicators of their mortality.

Sure does seem like you want them to win just to be able to say "I told you so".

But why stop there? As I told one of the other posters, you know the Rams are desperately in need of fans, right? They sure could use ya.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We passed on Mahomes for Kirk Cousins traded for Jimmy G and franchised our 7th round pick all while losing to Mahomes twice. During that time we failed to get Stafford and Brady when they were available

LA has Stafford. The QB pedigree is the only difference. It always has been since Steve Young left here

Don't forget we could have signed Brady for 2-3 years.

Lots of opportunities. Kyle could've drafted Mac Jones and maybe he's an elite QB by now. It's a point worth repeating…. Kyle is a great play caller, but a bad coach. And a horrible GM. That combo will never win us a SB.

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:
lol I'm not even going to get into all of your points because I've already addressed them in various posts.

As for your last point, it sure does seem like some of the anti-ShanaLynch crowd want the Rams to win. I doubt your SB prediction is purely based on who you believe is the best team, particularly because there appear to be no true juggernauts this year and the fact the Rams lost to a hospital team, among other indicators of their mortality.

Sure does seem like you want them to win just to be able to say "I told you so".

But why stop there? As I told one of the other posters, you know the Rams are desperately in need of fans, right? They sure could use ya.

They just want the 9ers to lose so Kyle gets fired.

I don't see the Rams beating the Eagles or Lions. Seattle is also more talented top to bottom but have a big game qb problem.

Might as well retitle this one as "is mcvay better than shanahan"

Originally posted by Kolohe:
49ers are now 11-7 overall vs the Rams how are they a step behind? The Rams are always healthy, the 49ers have been the most injured team in the last two seasons. The problem the Rams have is that they have s**tty fans, could you imagine if there was a sea of blue at Levis?

But Les Snead>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Lynch

I'll give them that.

Rams did what SF couldn't and won a SB. Also beat them when it actually mattered in the playoffs.

Originally posted by HearstFan:
It seems like:

SCHEME - McVay is innovating on offense quicker than KS. A la his heavy TE sets this year. His innovations seem bolder and more intentional. KS's offense scheme seems to be getting stale and defenses are catching up to it. KS innovation with Deebo was almost lucked into by necessity, remember it happened mid-season due to RB injuries, not a pre-season innovation plan. KS innovation seems to rely more on highly unique athletes -- Deebo, CMC, even Kittle.

ROSTER - The Rams have rebuild quickly after the loss, and this year they have TWO 1st round picks if they want to find a future QB, OT, or premiere DE.

OVERALL - It seems like 49ers have another year of reloading ahead at least -- improvements needed in so many areas, and aging plays in key roles - OT, IOL upgrades, DT still needed, WR (if BA doesn't return to form), TE (Kittle can't play elite forever), RB (CMC appears to already have lost a little burst). CB upgrade. So again, it seems like 9ers hold onto their older players longer while Rams are willing to (and been more successful) reloading quickly.

THOUGHTS?

We're 1-1 against them this year with heavy and impact injuries on our side for both games.

I don't have an issue with people thinking Sean McVay is a better HC than Shanahan but the reality is the main difference in why Sean McVay has a SB ring right now and Kyle Shanahan doesn't is QB play and one had his defense hold a 3 point lead and the other didn't.

Both went to SBs twice with significantly different rosters. They're both excellent coaches.

Their first go of it:

Sean took the #2 in points/yards Rams offense led by JG and managed to coach them to 3 points vs a Bill Belichick Pats team that was 7th in points allowed and 21st in yards allowed.

Kyle took the #2 in points, 4th in yards 49ers offense led by JG and managed to coach them to 20 points vs a Spags KC team that was 7th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed.

I mean it's kind of amazing how comparable those first situations were. In their 2nd SB trip. Each had their team hold a 3 point lead late in the SB.

Sean's defense stopped the Bengals.
Kyle's defense couldn't stop the Chiefs.

That's it. That's the difference. We can list all the mistakes that happened in the 49ers game but that's what it comes down to. Bengals had 2nd and 1 at the 50 yard line. The Rams D held. 49ers D didn't.

As far as the rest of what you wrote - McVay didn't invent 13 personnel. He went to it out of necessity when Puka got injured. The reason his offense is running at such a high level is one person - Matt Stafford.

Kudos for Sean making the moves he did to get Stafford but having an inside man with the Lions who actually liked Jared Goff certainly helped. That's one thing that some fans have a hard time understanding. Players still have to execute on the field. Stafford takes Sean's offense to a whole other level. Just like he did in that 2021 NFCCG. I don't think people remember but Sean did not have a great game as a HC that day. Stafford's no look passes with a little assist from Tartt turned a what would've been a brutal black eye on Sean's resume to a win Rams fans throw in our face now and act like Sean > Kyle.

As far as their roster - they did a hell of a job with their rebuild. I'm jealous and they deserve all the credit in the world for that. They had a crapload of picks to work with and they hit on a lot of them. However once again the biggest advantage for their rebuild is Matt Stafford. He goes down and we'll see the cracks show quickly.

The biggest advantage the Rams have on the 49ers - health. That's the one thing Shanahan needs to find some kind of fix for. Medical/Training staff overhaul, exorcism, voodoo priest, witch, I don't care...fix it.

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years