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Originally posted by NYniner85:
My god the whinny fans are insufferable. No s**t we got pounded. We have half our starting roster out there. Leading the league in APY on IR at $107M and it's not even remotely close.

rams are good AND healthy. It's not rocket science. Talent does matter and this team has been depleted every damn week of it.

The fact that the Niners made a brief comeback and got close after falling behind 21-0 tells me that Kyle hasn't lost the team. This was just a casa of being overmatched. The decimated defense is showing cracks now. They can't hode all those weaknesses forever. Eventually those backups that are now starters show why they were backups. You can't replace all pro players with just anyone.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Horrible and embarrassing loss!!!! Lynch thought his roster could hang. Changes need to be made to the defensive starting lineup if they're serious about this season.

If anything I think this is a reminder that Lynch made the right decision. No player that was available via trade at the deadline was going to be the missing link yesterday the way the whole team played.

Even if they completely overpaid for a rental in Hendrickson and sent a first rounder for him it's very unlikely he helps us get a win yesterday.

With the injuries we have the team just doesn't have the bodies to get it done. The only chance we have is the guys who CAN get healthy, get healthy for the playoffs and we sneak in while the other teams start having more of our "luck" when it comes to injuries so we get a more level playing field.

The game went the way I expected but hoped I'd be wrong. They took advantage of our big bodies being out and went to work on our weak links and we simply couldn't get the stops we needed to have a prayer.

Meanwhile on offense we weren't perfect and that was the only chance we had to win that game.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
My god the whinny fans are insufferable. No s**t we got pounded. We have half our starting roster out there. Leading the league in APY on IR at $107M and it's not even remotely close.

rams are good AND healthy. It's not rocket science. Talent does matter and this team has been depleted every damn week of it.

The fact that the Niners made a brief comeback and got close after falling behind 21-0 tells me that Kyle hasn't lost the team. This was just a casa of being overmatched. The decimated defense is showing cracks now. They can't hode all those weaknesses forever. Eventually those backups that are now starters show why they were backups. You can't replace all pro players with just anyone.

Exactly. Rams are the healthiest team in the league and playing with a QB who is LOCKED IN. We just didn't have the bodies to cool him down and on top of all of it the refs decided we didn't have enough to overcome in that game.

We had one shot to win that game - be perfect on offense and hope we have the ball with a chance to win last. The fact that we made it a one score game after starting 21-0 is encouraging.
Let's go try and win three straight and go into the bye, 9-4.
Originally posted by Ajinsc:
Originally posted by BP13:
No question, Les Snead has done one of the better drafting jobs in the past 3 years. He's one of the best GM's in the league. SF has built a contender from nothing before under the current regime, and they can do it again. It's a work in progress, and the last two drafts are a step in the right direction.

I don't know some of the 2024 class have taken a fairly large step back …puni, green, guerendo, and cowing (always injured).

yeah Gurrendo and Cowing are misses. Pearsall, Puni, Green, Mustapha, and Bethune are talented starters. Puni will be fine, I think, pre-season inury/sophomore slump, and he's been improving. He had a good game last 2 games.
Green is clearly talented, it's difficult for a young secondary when there is virtually no pass rush. Obviously time will tell with these players. The injuries have had a ripple effect throughout the roster.
Kyle's coaching legacy will be his inability to win the big game due to atrocious decision making. These were his 2 biggest mistakes:

2. Not deferring the ball in overtime against the Chiefs. The rules changed that year and became college football overtime rules. Everyone knows you defer the ball to not only see what the other team does but you also get 4 downs to beat that result.

AND his biggest mistake

1. As offensive Coordinator with Atlanta against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he failed to kick a field goal that would have sealed the victory.

Kyle Shanahan is a clown.
Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Kyle's coaching legacy will be his inability to win the big game due to atrocious decision making. These were his 2 biggest mistakes:

2. Not deferring the ball in overtime against the Chiefs. The rules changed that year and became college football overtime rules. Everyone knows you defer the ball to not only see what the other team does but you also get 4 downs to beat that result.

AND his biggest mistake

1. As offensive Coordinator with Atlanta against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he failed to kick a field goal that would have sealed the victory.

Kyle Shanahan is a clown.
1. It's easy to call a coach a "clown" in hindsight, but doing so ignores the totality of Kyle Shanahan's career and the immense success he's achieved as both a coordinator and head coach. His teams consistently compete among the league's elite, and few coaches have engineered as many creative offenses or turned as many quarterbacks into high-level performers as Shanahan has.

2. The argument that his "legacy" is defined by "atrocious decision-making" in big games relies heavily on selective memory. Every great coach—from Bill Belichick to Andy Reid—has suffered brutal, high-profile losses. What separates great coaches isn't perfection in every decision but consistent excellence and innovation over time, something Shanahan undeniably delivers.

3. Let's address the overtime decision in the Super Bowl against the Chiefs first. Critics claim he "should have deferred," but that argument misunderstands both the context and the strategy at play. At the time, Shanahan made a rational choice based on the strengths of his team and the flow of the game.

4. Under the new overtime rules, both teams are guaranteed a possession unless the first team scores a touchdown and a two-point conversion. That makes the decision more complex than "always defer." Shanahan trusted his offense—one of the most efficient in football—to set the tone and put pressure on Patrick Mahomes.

5. Furthermore, football strategy isn't played in a vacuum. Deferring assumes your defense will get a stop or hold the opponent to a field goal, which is far from guaranteed against Mahomes. Shanahan's offense had rhythm and momentum; going first was a calculated gamble, not a blunder.

6. It's worth noting that many coaches and analysts defended Shanahan's choice at the time, pointing out that the 49ers' offense had been moving well, while the defense had been gashed on the previous few drives. Playing offense first can make sense when you want to control tempo and avoid putting your fatigued defense on the field.

7. The idea that the new rule set makes the decision "obvious" is also wrong. College overtime and NFL overtime differ in field position, game dynamics, and personnel fatigue. The "always defer" mantra doesn't universally apply, especially at the professional level where each possession is more valuable.

8. Let's not pretend decision-making in these moments is binary. Shanahan had to make a split-second choice that balanced risk, psychology, and matchup dynamics. The notion that one choice instantly defines a "legacy" is short-sighted and ignores the complexity of coaching under immense pressure.

9. Now, turning to the Atlanta Falcons' Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, it's become fashionable to heap all blame on Shanahan. That's a lazy narrative. The reality is that a series of compounding factors—defensive fatigue, missed blocks, penalties, and miraculous plays—contributed to that collapse.

10. The infamous "failure to kick a field goal" came amid a series of breakdowns, not one singular act of recklessness. On the play in question, Shanahan called a pass that, if completed or even thrown away cleanly, would have sealed the game. Instead, a sack and holding penalty knocked them out of field goal range. Execution—not solely play-calling—was the problem.

11. Great offenses don't abandon aggression when closing out games. Shanahan's instinct to stay aggressive is the same instinct that built the 28–3 lead in the first place. Had the play succeeded, he would've been praised for keeping his foot on the gas. It's only hindsight bias that paints it as arrogance.

12. Calling Shanahan a "clown" for that moment disregards how NFL teams and coaches actually view him. He's widely respected across the league for his schematic brilliance, his attention to detail, and his ability to get production from players at every position. He's one of the most emulated play-callers in modern football.

13. Since becoming a head coach, Shanahan has built the 49ers into a perennial contender despite cycling through quarterbacks due to injury. Few coaches could lose multiple starters at the most important position and still reach multiple NFC Championships and two Super Bowls. That's not the mark of a "choker."

14. Legacy is about patterns of excellence, not isolated mistakes. Shanahan's pattern shows a relentless ability to develop systems that win regardless of personnel. The man made a seventh-round rookie quarterback look like a Pro Bowler and guided his team to the brink of a championship with elite balance on both sides of the ball.

15. Moreover, the "big game" narrative is overblown. The margins in championship football are razor-thin. One or two plays—a tipped pass, a missed block, or a defensive lapse—decide outcomes. To claim those moments define an entire coaching career is intellectually dishonest.

16. If we applied that same logic to legends, Bill Walsh's early playoff failures or Andy Reid's long Super Bowl drought would have made them "clowns." But history shows patience and perspective are essential to evaluating greatness. Shanahan is still in the prime of his coaching career.

17. Every season, his offenses rank near the top of the league in efficiency, creativity, and adaptability. His motion-based system has influenced an entire generation of play-callers, from Sean McVay to Mike McDaniel. That's legacy-defining impact, not failure.

18. Shanahan's demeanor—calm, cerebral, detail-obsessed—makes him an easy target for emotional criticism. But true football minds recognize that his so-called "failures" are byproducts of the very aggression that makes him special. He coaches to win, not to avoid losing.

19. The greatest innovators in football history—Walsh, Gibbs, Reid, Shanahan Sr.—all endured heartbreak before lifting trophies. If anything, Kyle's near-misses are part of his evolution, not an indictment. He's proven time and again that he learns, adapts, and keeps his teams in contention.

20. In short, reducing Kyle Shanahan's legacy to two decisions is like judging a symphony by a single wrong note. His career has already reshaped modern offense and established him as one of the NFL's brightest minds. Whether or not he wins the next Super Bowl, he's far from a clown—he's one of the best coaches of his generation.
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Originally posted by BP13:
Originally posted by Ajinsc:
Originally posted by BP13:
No question, Les Snead has done one of the better drafting jobs in the past 3 years. He's one of the best GM's in the league. SF has built a contender from nothing before under the current regime, and they can do it again. It's a work in progress, and the last two drafts are a step in the right direction.

I don't know some of the 2024 class have taken a fairly large step back …puni, green, guerendo, and cowing (always injured).

yeah Gurrendo and Cowing are misses. Pearsall, Puni, Green, Mustapha, and Bethune are talented starters. Puni will be fine, I think, pre-season inury/sophomore slump, and he's been improving. He had a good game last 2 games.
Green is clearly talented, it's difficult for a young secondary when there is virtually no pass rush. Obviously time will tell with these players. The injuries have had a ripple effect throughout the roster.


You must be joking.

The only talented one is Pearsall and the guy can't stay healthy. The rest are average to below-average players in the league.
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by BP13:
Originally posted by Ajinsc:
Originally posted by BP13:
No question, Les Snead has done one of the better drafting jobs in the past 3 years. He's one of the best GM's in the league. SF has built a contender from nothing before under the current regime, and they can do it again. It's a work in progress, and the last two drafts are a step in the right direction.

I don't know some of the 2024 class have taken a fairly large step back …puni, green, guerendo, and cowing (always injured).

yeah Gurrendo and Cowing are misses. Pearsall, Puni, Green, Mustapha, and Bethune are talented starters. Puni will be fine, I think, pre-season inury/sophomore slump, and he's been improving. He had a good game last 2 games.
Green is clearly talented, it's difficult for a young secondary when there is virtually no pass rush. Obviously time will tell with these players. The injuries have had a ripple effect throughout the roster.


You must be joking.

The only talented one is Pearsall and the guy can't stay healthy. The rest are average to below-average players in the league.

not surprised by you post since you seem miserable, but not joking. Learn something about actual football and know that the NFL isn't fantasy football. seriously, your whole act is so tired, literally every post you make is negative. its gonna be ok.
Yesterdays game seemed rigged once again, those missed PI calls, plus the weird calls on us in significant situations seemed connected to the betting line.

I don't think the league is even trying to hide it anymore, this is entertainment not competition. This is big business as we know but unlike WWE things need to happen to get other countries involved in the betting side of things (international games). The cost of a ticket and jersey isn't enough anymore, and it is affecting the game. If a player tries too hard he gets fined so that he is able to be controlled under the guise of player safety. Yesterday, their guy got hit out of bounds, our guy got hit out of bounds, but only we were called for the penalty.

Look at what was just discovered in the NBA, all of these guys are doing the same thing for the same purpose.
Originally posted by BP13:
yeah Gurrendo and Cowing are misses. Pearsall, Puni, Green, Mustapha, and Bethune are talented starters. Puni will be fine, I think, pre-season inury/sophomore slump, and he's been improving. He had a good game last 2 games.
Green is clearly talented, it's difficult for a young secondary when there is virtually no pass rush. Obviously time will tell with these players. The injuries have had a ripple effect throughout the roster.

Pearsall is TBD. Green looks great at times but also horrible at times so he is also TBD. Puni had a great rookie year and has not been as good this year. Mustapha looked horrendous yesterday and recently. I wouldn't bet on him being a starter lock. He cant cover and he cant tackle. Have loved what I have seen from Bethune though so I will give you that one.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Yesterdays game seemed rigged once again, those missed PI calls, plus the weird calls on us in significant situations seemed connected to the betting line.

I don't think the league is even trying to hide it anymore, this is entertainment not competition. This is big business as we know but unlike WWE things need to happen to get other countries involved in the betting side of things (international games). The cost of a ticket and jersey isn't enough anymore, and it is affecting the game. If a player tries too hard he gets fined so that he is able to be controlled under the guise of player safety. Yesterday, their guy got hit out of bounds, our guy got hit out of bounds, but only we were called for the penalty.

Look at what was just discovered in the NBA, all of these guys are doing the same thing for the same purpose.

I've given up trying to figure out what is and what isn't PI. They allow defenders and recxeivers to push and shovew each other on many plays with no flag. Then there's a slight bit of contact on a crucial play and they drop the flag. No consistency at all. Holdong in the line is also an issue but at least tthere it's a case of maybe tghe official just couldn't see the play. After all you have 10 guys wrestling each other and the official can easily miss a call if his viewis blocked. PI is different since it happens in the open field.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Yesterdays game seemed rigged once again, those missed PI calls, plus the weird calls on us in significant situations seemed connected to the betting line.

I don't think the league is even trying to hide it anymore, this is entertainment not competition. This is big business as we know but unlike WWE things need to happen to get other countries involved in the betting side of things (international games). The cost of a ticket and jersey isn't enough anymore, and it is affecting the game. If a player tries too hard he gets fined so that he is able to be controlled under the guise of player safety. Yesterday, their guy got hit out of bounds, our guy got hit out of bounds, but only we were called for the penalty.

Look at what was just discovered in the NBA, all of these guys are doing the same thing for the same purpose.

I've given up trying to figure out what is and what isn't PI. They allow defenders and recxeivers to push and shovew each other on many plays with no flag. Then there's a slight bit of contact on a crucial play and they drop the flag. No consistency at all. Holdong in the line is also an issue but at least tthere it's a case of maybe tghe official just couldn't see the play. After all you have 10 guys wrestling each other and the official can easily miss a call if his viewis blocked. PI is different since it happens in the open field.

Why can't coaches challenge all plays since they only have a certain number of challenges anyway? So called "Judgment calls" give the league control of these games. Players and Coaches can't even talk about these calls or they get fined, this level of control is WWE like.
Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Kyle's coaching legacy will be his inability to win the big game due to atrocious decision making. These were his 2 biggest mistakes:

2. Not deferring the ball in overtime against the Chiefs. The rules changed that year and became college football overtime rules. Everyone knows you defer the ball to not only see what the other team does but you also get 4 downs to beat that result.

AND his biggest mistake

1. As offensive Coordinator with Atlanta against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he failed to kick a field goal that would have sealed the victory.

Kyle Shanahan is a clown.

>>>2. Not deferring the ball in overtime against the Chiefs

While I'd normally agree on taking the ball first in OT....if memory serves me correctly, our D played awesome most of that game but looked seriously gassed in the 2nd half of the 4th Q. I thought perhaps that decision to not defer was more to allow our D extra time to rest, not sure.

>>>1. As offensive Coordinator with Atlanta against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, he failed to kick a field goal that would have sealed the victory.

I mean it's always easier to look back with hindsight and say they should have done this or that. or should have drafted this person over that person, right? I'm not saying he did or did not do the correct thing, but over-all in this game the Offence put up 28 points, so I'd more blame the Atlanta Defense for this loss instead of putting all the blame on the OC. Patriots put up 19 points in the 4th Q. That sounds more like a meltdown on the Falcons D to me.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Horrible and embarrassing loss!!!! Lynch thought his roster could hang. Changes need to be made to the defensive starting lineup if they're serious about this season.

If anything I think this is a reminder that Lynch made the right decision. No player that was available via trade at the deadline was going to be the missing link yesterday the way the whole team played.

Even if they completely overpaid for a rental in Hendrickson and sent a first rounder for him it's very unlikely he helps us get a win yesterday.

With the injuries we have the team just doesn't have the bodies to get it done. The only chance we have is the guys who CAN get healthy, get healthy for the playoffs and we sneak in while the other teams start having more of our "luck" when it comes to injuries so we get a more level playing field.

The game went the way I expected but hoped I'd be wrong. They took advantage of our big bodies being out and went to work on our weak links and we simply couldn't get the stops we needed to have a prayer.

Meanwhile on offense we weren't perfect and that was the only chance we had to win that game.

Again gonna disagree with that why? Because they did try and trade for one they were calling around for a pass rusher. The only reason they DIDNT MAKE A TRADE was that the asking price was too rich for all teams. So one player may have or have not been the deciding factor yesterday, but it would've given them a better chance to win.

Honestly knew we were gonna lose though. 49ers are 1-3 when Tom Brady is the broadcaster. And 1-3 when Land Clark is the head official.
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