49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No reason to go to extremes, no one is talking about Donald or needing a "dominant" rookie DT from day 1. They have no proven interior pass rushers right now. They didn't draft any DTs that showed they were interior rushers…those are projections. I'm fine with that IF you have other players in place to hold the fort down.

we're dependent on rookies who haven't done it at a lesser level and who else? Imo it's an issue not many are talking about, we just assume they drafted a couple IDL so we're good there

It was an extreme, but my point, wasthere any pass rushing IDL that was not a run defense liability?
They chose to go the other way and get run guys who they hope can develop and a DE who can maybe develop into a dominant inside rusher.

Stop getting to 3rd and <3's.

In this draft? I mean you could have gone with a pass rush guy and a run defender. There was plenty of both in this draft. They opted for multiple run defenders, which I get but we're acting like we have someone that can rush from the inside and that's a pretty big ? at thus pt.

I mean, if you can't get pressure on 3rd downs what's the difference? They could have kept someone like M Collins Who was pretty effective as a pass rusher and wasn't super expensive.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Could it be just a question of technique? Leverage?
(I'm obviously not an expert)

IMO (and that's all it is) he's playing high, lack of explosiveness and scheme fit….still super early and I don't think anyone should expect anything as a rusher this yr, which is my point. We don't have a legit pass rushing DT.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, they view him and his ceiling differently than you

I got no problem with that. His pass rushing ability is a projection though. That's why I'm saying they should have kept M Collins, brought in a vet or drafted someone that can actually rush the passer now, while he develops

I think that's what West is for.

West was basically the same thing, a 2 down DT who was elite vs the run in college.

IMO I think he will transition quicker because he's got the leverage and explosiveness that Collins doesn't really have right now.

Agreed

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
There was one run play I saw where he got pushed back almost 10 yards. Wouldn't expect that with how big he is.

at least 40 yards by my view

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, they view him and his ceiling differently than you

I got no problem with that. His pass rushing ability is a projection though. That's why I'm saying they should have kept M Collins, brought in a vet or drafted someone that can actually rush the passer now, while he develops

I think that's what West is for.

West was basically the same thing, a 2 down DT who was elite vs the run in college.

IMO I think he will transition quicker because he's got the leverage and explosiveness that Collins doesn't really have right now.

Yep. West, Collins, and Anderson all play pretty much the same game right now.

I think, if Bosa and Huff can get quick upfield pressure the DTs will luck into sacks ... I don't think they will get there straight up basically at all. Some corner, safety, and LB rushes will probably be employed, but mostly I think inside pressure will only come on T/E games.

That said, if they stuff the runs between the hash marks I'm okay with that.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, they view him and his ceiling differently than you

I got no problem with that. His pass rushing ability is a projection though. That's why I'm saying they should have kept M Collins, brought in a vet or drafted someone that can actually rush the passer now, while he develops

I think that's what West is for.

West was basically the same thing, a 2 down DT who was elite vs the run in college.

IMO I think he will transition quicker because he's got the leverage and explosiveness that Collins doesn't really have right now.

Yep. West, Collins, and Anderson all play pretty much the same game right now.

I think, if Bosa and Huff can get quick upfield pressure the DTs will luck into sacks ... I don't think they will get there straight up basically at all. Some corner, safety, and LB rushes will probably be employed, but mostly I think inside pressure will only come on T/E games.

That said, if they stuff the runs between the hash marks I'm okay with that.

I'm all for stuffing the run, gotta stop that first. If you can't get push up the middle, imo that's a problem. Quickest way to a QB and cause chaos is up the middle.

it's an issue that a lot of people aren't really discussing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, they view him and his ceiling differently than you

I got no problem with that. His pass rushing ability is a projection though. That's why I'm saying they should have kept M Collins, brought in a vet or drafted someone that can actually rush the passer now, while he develops

I think that's what West is for.

West was basically the same thing, a 2 down DT who was elite vs the run in college.

IMO I think he will transition quicker because he's got the leverage and explosiveness that Collins doesn't really have right now.

Yep. West, Collins, and Anderson all play pretty much the same game right now.

I think, if Bosa and Huff can get quick upfield pressure the DTs will luck into sacks ... I don't think they will get there straight up basically at all. Some corner, safety, and LB rushes will probably be employed, but mostly I think inside pressure will only come on T/E games.

That said, if they stuff the runs between the hash marks I'm okay with that.

I'm all for stuffing the run, gotta stop that first. If you can't get push up the middle, imo that's a problem. Quickest way to a QB and cause chaos is up the middle.

it's an issue that a lot of people aren't really discussing.

Sure, but it doesn't have to come from the DTs to work. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the year a DT or two has 5 sacks.

I just don't want them beat like a rented drum :)

Originally posted by Scoots:
Sure, but it doesn't have to come from the DTs to work. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the year a DT or two has 5 sacks.

I just don't want them beat like a rented drum :)

It's not about sacks it's about pressure and at this point it's a lot of what ifs there.

they should have been in the market for a pass rushing DT or focused more there in the draft imo. We will see, love for Collins to be more than a 2 down guy, from what I've seen thus far it's not great there as a pass rusher (college and this off season).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Sure, but it doesn't have to come from the DTs to work. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the year a DT or two has 5 sacks.

I just don't want them beat like a rented drum :)

It's not about sacks it's about pressure and at this point it's a lot of what ifs there.

they should have been in the market for a pass rushing DT or focused more there in the draft imo. We will see, love for Collins to be more than a 2 down guy, from what I've seen thus far it's not great there as a pass rusher (college and this off season).

Sure, it would be nice.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No reason to go to extremes, no one is talking about Donald or needing a "dominant" rookie DT from day 1. They have no proven interior pass rushers right now. They didn't draft any DTs that showed they were interior rushers…those are projections. I'm fine with that IF you have other players in place to hold the fort down.

we're dependent on rookies who haven't done it at a lesser level and who else? Imo it's an issue not many are talking about, we just assume they drafted a couple IDL so we're good there

It was an extreme, but my point, wasthere any pass rushing IDL that was not a run defense liability?
They chose to go the other way and get run guys who they hope can develop and a DE who can maybe develop into a dominant inside rusher.

Stop getting to 3rd and <3's.

In this draft? I mean you could have gone with a pass rush guy and a run defender. There was plenty of both in this draft. They opted for multiple run defenders, which I get but we're acting like we have someone that can rush from the inside and that's a pretty big ? at thus pt.

I mean, if you can't get pressure on 3rd downs what's the difference? They could have kept someone like M Collins Who was pretty effective as a pass rusher and wasn't super expensive.

This. Collins was a good pass rusher, didn't cost a ton. I didn't like the move to release him. Especially since I didn't see them backfill his skill set with a younger player. We have some guys that were great run stoppers in college and the team hopes to develop the pass rushing element of their game as pros. Their will be some patience needed for that.

My take is they will move some of their DE's inside on obvious pass rushing downs to try and generate more inside pressure. While I see a guy like Williams as having the body for that, I'm honestly not a fan of doing that while their still that young. Id prefer he spent more time developing his outside pass rush game then experiment with inside pass rushing later on once he's started to get more comfortable but I think that's the way they are going to lean.

Oh Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Sure, but it doesn't have to come from the DTs to work. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the year a DT or two has 5 sacks.

I just don't want them beat like a rented drum :)

It's not about sacks it's about pressure and at this point it's a lot of what ifs there.

they should have been in the market for a pass rushing DT or focused more there in the draft imo. We will see, love for Collins to be more than a 2 down guy, from what I've seen thus far it's not great there as a pass rusher (college and this off season).

Sure, it would be nice.

I mean they had a DT under contract that was actually top 5 in PRWR last yr. Currently eating $3M in DM for him to not be playing on this team

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No reason to go to extremes, no one is talking about Donald or needing a "dominant" rookie DT from day 1. They have no proven interior pass rushers right now. They didn't draft any DTs that showed they were interior rushers…those are projections. I'm fine with that IF you have other players in place to hold the fort down.

we're dependent on rookies who haven't done it at a lesser level and who else? Imo it's an issue not many are talking about, we just assume they drafted a couple IDL so we're good there

It was an extreme, but my point, wasthere any pass rushing IDL that was not a run defense liability?
They chose to go the other way and get run guys who they hope can develop and a DE who can maybe develop into a dominant inside rusher.

Stop getting to 3rd and <3's.

In this draft? I mean you could have gone with a pass rush guy and a run defender. There was plenty of both in this draft. They opted for multiple run defenders, which I get but we're acting like we have someone that can rush from the inside and that's a pretty big ? at thus pt.

I mean, if you can't get pressure on 3rd downs what's the difference? They could have kept someone like M Collins Who was pretty effective as a pass rusher and wasn't super expensive.

This. Collins was a good pass rusher, didn't cost a ton. I didn't like the move to release him. Especially since I didn't see them backfill his skill set with a younger player. We have some guys that were great run stoppers in college and the team hopes to develop the pass rushing element of their game as pros. Their will be some patience needed for that.

My take is they will move some of their DE's inside on obvious pass rushing downs to try and generate more inside pressure. While I see a guy like Williams as having the body for that, I'm honestly not a fan of doing that while their still that young. Id prefer he spent more time developing his outside pass rush game then experiment with inside pass rushing later on once he's started to get more comfortable but I think that's the way they are going to lean.

💯 I get tossing Williams in there in certain packages. That's valuable to have and I would also like to see him develop as an edge rusher (which I'm sure he will)

the way they attacked DT this off season was a total head scratcher and kinda off brand from who they usually like. I understand stopping the run, big priority…gotta be able to get pressure from the interior in 2025. Solid draft and they kinda neglected that and got rid of guys who can do that

Again not hating on Collins or whatever, the upside is there for sure. I just think there's a lot of work to be done there and we should have had someone else that can kinda take on that role until he figures it out (if ever).

Not much to get excited about with Alfred Collins at this point and it's worrying for a 2nd round pick. Time will tell but the initial results haven't looked good. His pad level is high and he's been able to get away with it for years because he's such a freak athlete. Hopefully they can fix that.

This draft class is so interesting because Sigle and Stout have looked good so far, and Martin has shown improvement. It is a bit troubling that you spend this much draft capital on the defensive line and what do you have? A 1st round pick who hasn't played. A 2nd round pick who maybe can't play. And a 4th rounder who looks good in practice but decided meh in games so far. Hopefully this is a blip on the journey, and it is preseason, but you'd like to see more out of that group because teams are going to test them come regular season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
In this draft? I mean you could have gone with a pass rush guy and a run defender. There was plenty of both in this draft. They opted for multiple run defenders, which I get but we're acting like we have someone that can rush from the inside and that's a pretty big ? at thus pt.

I mean, if you can't get pressure on 3rd downs what's the difference? They could have kept someone like M Collins Who was pretty effective as a pass rusher and wasn't super expensive.

I do not disagree with the keeping Collins point.

I just think they are going with the goalof collapse the pocket inside and let the DEs feast. Not necessarily quick pressure by getting past the G-C-G exposing the second level to OL blocks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Could it be just a question of technique? Leverage?
(I'm obviously not an expert)

IMO (and that's all it is) he's playing high, lack of explosiveness and scheme fit….still super early and I don't think anyone should expect anything as a rusher this yr, which is my point. We don't have a legit pass rushing DT.

I think this goes along with the it's too early to know whether we have a real problem or not.

On top of Collins being an unfinished and delayed product as a rookie we don't know what they're going to scheme up.

Overall I think the majority of the pass rushing DTs in the NFL these days are smaller more big DE types and most of the top pass rushing DTs from last year were guys who took a year or two to break out.

It's possible the team is going to play more blitz heavy so the ask from the DTs is simply take up space, occupy blockers or play the run well and ensure we're in 3rd and long situations often where Mykel can move inside…tho another DT who can rush consistently would be great. Hope West/Collins can get there or see if Kalia Davis can step up and stay healthy.