49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Great news! Hopefully he's healthy and can get in a full TC.

Also great news

DT Alfred Collins, who did not participate in the 49ers' offseason program due to a calf injury, was NOT placed on the non-football injury list upon signing and reporting to Santa Clara. That means he is cleared to take the field once training camp practices begins on July 23.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) July 17, 2025

Always good when what a team says about injury timelines comes true. I never assume it will, but sometimes it does :)

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

It's always going to be a function of the cap. League makes more money, cap goes up, players make more money. Certain skills get hard to find or harder to maintain and schemes change and values to teams adjust.

If we go back to 1981 the team had a starting tackle and end who weighed less than George Kittle does now. Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and some genius defensive scheming coaches played major roles in remaking offensive lines, and by the late 80s the average OL player was climbing over 300lbs, then we had small quick 4 WR sets get defended by small quick DBs and more nickel and dime, then by the late 90s FBs were the exception rather than the rule and with players like Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates, Jay Novacek, and Keith Jackson setting a new standard taking advantage of big hard hitting LBs that would be picked up by Gonzales, Gates, Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle that lead to LBs getting smaller and DBs getting bigger.

During all these changes the values of different positions go up and down. Right now the positions in order from paid least to most is RB, IOL, TE, S, LB, CB, DT, DE, OT, WR, QB ... It wasn't that long ago that teams spent huge in money/draft/player capital to get a start RB, now it's been the least valued position in the NFL for nearly a decade.

It's strangely fun to watch this stuff coming up on 50 years now :)

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Someone's gotta get the money. It's not our taxes doing the inreases; they're literally always seeking extra revenue because that's what they do. I don't watch the greedy, endowed owners every Sunday, regardless what else they may bring to their stadiums. JustSayin...

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Someone's gotta get the money. It's not our taxes doing the inreases; they're literally always seeking extra revenue because that's what they do. I don't watch the greedy, endowed owners every Sunday, regardless what else they may bring to their stadiums. JustSayin...

The owners may be greedy but they're the ones that are paying the players and building the stadiums. Players can't exist without the owners and owners need the players. The cap keeps rising and players keep asking for more and more.

Big salaries keep getting exponentially bigger. I don't blame an offensive lineman that plays every game and works his butt off to protect that $50 million QB for wanting more money. QBs are valued more than O linemen but who do we always complain about on this website? O line. Can't find enough good ones. Can't pay them enough and they leave.

Excited to see all of the defensive rookies in training camp and have them display why they were chosen by the Niners. Hoping for surprises and steals and some great play, which is needed, from these rooks. I have always been fascinated by defensive play and looking forward to that defensive line, with some first year players, making a HUGE impact

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Someone's gotta get the money. It's not our taxes doing the inreases; they're literally always seeking extra revenue because that's what they do. I don't watch the greedy, endowed owners every Sunday, regardless what else they may bring to their stadiums. JustSayin...

I think a lot of people think all owners make big money in all sports. I haven't been that involved in pro sports in quite a while (worked at the Mercury News long ago), but I know there have been times when some owners were losing money and the result was they put bad teams on the field. That sort of stuff is a big part of why the cap was put in place. When the player/owner cap split came along people somehow thought the owners got to keep the same money that the players got completely dismissing all of their expenses.

I think where it's broken is the money that is not part of the cap where some teams are making HUGE money that isn't shared. The cowboys make almost twice as much outside of revenue sharing as they do inside of revenue sharing while the Lions make 10 times less. But the teams are supposed to be "equal". The 49ers are basically in the middle between them. That's all revenue and it's not clear what their expenses are.

Originally posted by Scoots:
It's always going to be a function of the cap. League makes more money, cap goes up, players make more money. Certain skills get hard to find or harder to maintain and schemes change and values to teams adjust.

If we go back to 1981 the team had a starting tackle and end who weighed less than George Kittle does now. Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and some genius defensive scheming coaches played major roles in remaking offensive lines, and by the late 80s the average OL player was climbing over 300lbs, then we had small quick 4 WR sets get defended by small quick DBs and more nickel and dime, then by the late 90s FBs were the exception rather than the rule and with players like Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates, Jay Novacek, and Keith Jackson setting a new standard taking advantage of big hard hitting LBs that would be picked up by Gonzales, Gates, Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle that lead to LBs getting smaller and DBs getting bigger.

During all these changes the values of different positions go up and down. Right now the positions in order from paid least to most is RB, IOL, TE, S, LB, CB, DT, DE, OT, WR, QB ... It wasn't that long ago that teams spent huge in money/draft/player capital to get a start RB, now it's been the least valued position in the NFL for nearly a decade.

It's strangely fun to watch this stuff coming up on 50 years now :)

I appreciate your posts dude, good stuff!

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Excited to see all of the defensive rookies in training camp and have them display why they were chosen by the Niners. Hoping for surprises and steals and some great play, which is needed, from these rooks. I have always been fascinated by defensive play and looking forward to that defensive line, with some first year players, making a HUGE impact

This feels a little like 1981 ... When Ronnie Lott, Eric Wright, and Carlton Williamson were all rookies. People were talking about how there was no way it was going to work with that many rookies on defense. It worked out well that time. Dwight Hicks = Nick Bosa?

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by Scoots:
It's always going to be a function of the cap. League makes more money, cap goes up, players make more money. Certain skills get hard to find or harder to maintain and schemes change and values to teams adjust.

If we go back to 1981 the team had a starting tackle and end who weighed less than George Kittle does now. Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and some genius defensive scheming coaches played major roles in remaking offensive lines, and by the late 80s the average OL player was climbing over 300lbs, then we had small quick 4 WR sets get defended by small quick DBs and more nickel and dime, then by the late 90s FBs were the exception rather than the rule and with players like Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates, Jay Novacek, and Keith Jackson setting a new standard taking advantage of big hard hitting LBs that would be picked up by Gonzales, Gates, Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle that lead to LBs getting smaller and DBs getting bigger.

During all these changes the values of different positions go up and down. Right now the positions in order from paid least to most is RB, IOL, TE, S, LB, CB, DT, DE, OT, WR, QB ... It wasn't that long ago that teams spent huge in money/draft/player capital to get a start RB, now it's been the least valued position in the NFL for nearly a decade.

It's strangely fun to watch this stuff coming up on 50 years now :)

I appreciate your posts dude, good stuff!

I ramble too much :)

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by Scoots:
It's always going to be a function of the cap. League makes more money, cap goes up, players make more money. Certain skills get hard to find or harder to maintain and schemes change and values to teams adjust.

If we go back to 1981 the team had a starting tackle and end who weighed less than George Kittle does now. Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and some genius defensive scheming coaches played major roles in remaking offensive lines, and by the late 80s the average OL player was climbing over 300lbs, then we had small quick 4 WR sets get defended by small quick DBs and more nickel and dime, then by the late 90s FBs were the exception rather than the rule and with players like Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates, Jay Novacek, and Keith Jackson setting a new standard taking advantage of big hard hitting LBs that would be picked up by Gonzales, Gates, Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle that lead to LBs getting smaller and DBs getting bigger.

During all these changes the values of different positions go up and down. Right now the positions in order from paid least to most is RB, IOL, TE, S, LB, CB, DT, DE, OT, WR, QB ... It wasn't that long ago that teams spent huge in money/draft/player capital to get a start RB, now it's been the least valued position in the NFL for nearly a decade.

It's strangely fun to watch this stuff coming up on 50 years now :)

I appreciate your posts dude, good stuff!

I ramble too much :)

Okay to ramble. Sometimes it's necessary to completely explain your opinion. Better than just posting that some player sucks without any explanation.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Someone's gotta get the money. It's not our taxes doing the inreases; they're literally always seeking extra revenue because that's what they do. I don't watch the greedy, endowed owners every Sunday, regardless what else they may bring to their stadiums. JustSayin...

I think a lot of people think all owners make big money in all sports. I haven't been that involved in pro sports in quite a while (worked at the Mercury News long ago), but I know there have been times when some owners were losing money and the result was they put bad teams on the field. That sort of stuff is a big part of why the cap was put in place. When the player/owner cap split came along people somehow thought the owners got to keep the same money that the players got completely dismissing all of their expenses.

I think where it's broken is the money that is not part of the cap where some teams are making HUGE money that isn't shared. The cowboys make almost twice as much outside of revenue sharing as they do inside of revenue sharing while the Lions make 10 times less. But the teams are supposed to be "equal". The 49ers are basically in the middle between them. That's all revenue and it's not clear what their expenses are.

Most owners made their fortunes in other ways. Owning a sports team for some is just an amusement and a future windfall when they sell the team. Even then their are tax ramifications. The only team not owned by at least one billionaire is GB who is publicly owned. They still remain competitive in the smallest market in the league.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:
12 2nd round picks have signed, the only one earlier in the 2nd than Collins was the 3rd pick in the 2nd and he got a fully guaranteed deal. The other 8 were after Collins and none of them got a fully guaranteed deal.

yes but it looks like the ratio of guaranteed money is going up as compared to previous years,....which is important as well.

Next year, expect the same.

Salaries will keep creeping up. Top players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money now so it's only natural that the players that support them and the ones that protect them are going to say they want more too.

Someone's gotta get the money. It's not our taxes doing the inreases; they're literally always seeking extra revenue because that's what they do. I don't watch the greedy, endowed owners every Sunday, regardless what else they may bring to their stadiums. JustSayin...

I think a lot of people think all owners make big money in all sports. I haven't been that involved in pro sports in quite a while (worked at the Mercury News long ago), but I know there have been times when some owners were losing money and the result was they put bad teams on the field. That sort of stuff is a big part of why the cap was put in place. When the player/owner cap split came along people somehow thought the owners got to keep the same money that the players got completely dismissing all of their expenses.

I think where it's broken is the money that is not part of the cap where some teams are making HUGE money that isn't shared. The cowboys make almost twice as much outside of revenue sharing as they do inside of revenue sharing while the Lions make 10 times less. But the teams are supposed to be "equal". The 49ers are basically in the middle between them. That's all revenue and it's not clear what their expenses are.

Most owners made their fortunes in other ways. Owning a sports team for some is just an amusement and a future windfall when they sell the team. Even then their are tax ramifications. The only team not owned by at least one billionaire is GB who is publicly owned. They still remain competitive in the smallest market in the league.

I didn't know that every team was owned (at least in part) by a billionaire.

I have long felt that a way the NFL (and all sports) could punish ownership would be to banish them from attending games or having any guests attend games. :)

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The owners may be greedy but they're the ones that are paying the players and building the stadiums. Players can't exist without the owners and owners need the players. The cap keeps rising and players keep asking for more and more.

At this point they could most CERTAINLY exist without the owners. This is a generational wealth thing. Give it to the players.

Originally posted by Scoots:
I think a lot of people think all owners make big money in all sports. I haven't been that involved in pro sports in quite a while (worked at the Mercury News long ago), but I know there have been times when some owners were losing money and the result was they put bad teams on the field. That sort of stuff is a big part of why the cap was put in place. When the player/owner cap split came along people somehow thought the owners got to keep the same money that the players got completely dismissing all of their expenses.

I think where it's broken is the money that is not part of the cap where some teams are making HUGE money that isn't shared. The cowboys make almost twice as much outside of revenue sharing as they do inside of revenue sharing while the Lions make 10 times less. But the teams are supposed to be "equal". The 49ers are basically in the middle between them. That's all revenue and it's not clear what their expenses are.

Yes yes,....the salary cap is great. The revenue split where the players are putting themselves more at risk for less of a percentage....that's simply because. No one's in the poor house. How they share revenue is up to them.



No one's in the poor house even after subtracting all expenses. I dont think ALL players should lose out on something simply because 1 team only netted $60M or so the year prior. In total,..they're absolutely killing it year after year. EVERYONE.

Gonna compare it to a league where their brains arent bashed in when they retired and IMO, this lines up closer to what things should be, as there should be some kind of inherent risk involved here:


Catch wants to enjoy the same 32 owners widen the gaps on their profit margins as they get wealthier and wealthier, whereas I'm much more in favor of the 1700 players taking more of that money back to their respective communities.