QB Brock Purdy Thread

They had elite QB play for nearly 20 years. Young retired and they haven't found a legit top 5 QB since. There have been moments of great play here and there. But nothing consistent. No guy you could say "he will put us on our back and win the game"!!!. The past two SB's featured QB's with limitations. The team did good to get the most out of them. But eventually those limitations were exposed.

They need a physically gifted & mentally capable QB. A QB similar to that Maye kid in New England. Or an established guy like Josh Allen. Top of draft, great scouting, maybe pure luck. Need to look hard. Purdy is the guy for this season and probably next. But eventually they need a legit top 5 QB.

Of course, none of this matters if Purdy goes on a crazy streak and they win a SB. Then...all is good. But it's looking unlikely. Shanahan can only do so much.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
They had elite QB play for nearly 20 years. Young retired and they haven't found a legit top 5 QB since. There have been moments of great play here and there. But nothing consistent. No guy you could say "he will put us on our back and win the game"!!!. The past two SB's featured QB's with limitations. The team did good to get the most out of them. But eventually those limitations were exposed.

They need a physically gifted & mentally capable QB. A QB similar to that Maye kid in New England. Or an established guy like Josh Allen. Top of draft, great scouting, maybe pure luck. Need to look hard. Purdy is the guy for this season and probably next. But eventually they need a legit top 5 QB.

Of course, none of this matters if Purdy goes on a crazy streak and they win a SB. Then...all is good. But it's looking unlikely. Shanahan can only do so much.

Unfortunately they hitched their wagon to his horse as they would say with that contract. He's our QB for at least another 2 more seasons so the hope is he proves worthy of that deal...this assumes he doesn't completely come apart like Jimmy did.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
They had elite QB play for nearly 20 years. Young retired and they haven't found a legit top 5 QB since. There have been moments of great play here and there. But nothing consistent. No guy you could say "he will put us on our back and win the game"!!!. The past two SB's featured QB's with limitations. The team did good to get the most out of them. But eventually those limitations were exposed.

They need a physically gifted & mentally capable QB. A QB similar to that Maye kid in New England. Or an established guy like Josh Allen. Top of draft, great scouting, maybe pure luck. Need to look hard. Purdy is the guy for this season and probably next. But eventually they need a legit top 5 QB.

Of course, none of this matters if Purdy goes on a crazy streak and they win a SB. Then...all is good. But it's looking unlikely. Shanahan can only do so much.

Unfortunately they hitched their wagon to his horse as they would say with that contract. He's our QB for at least another 2 more seasons so the hope is he proves worthy of that deal...this assumes he doesn't completely come apart like Jimmy did.

When did Jimmy completely come apart?

Look, I think both sides of this debate need perspective. Brock is the current QB in a long line since Steve Young that had the legacy of Joe Montana looming over them. For Steve, he was able to overcome, progress and become a champion and legend in his own right. But every QB between him and Brock have fallen short. All of Brock's predecessors, we now have the benefit of hindsight to see the how the full story panned out. There were snapshots in time where it seemed like Steve was destined to fall short, and snapshots where it looked like guys like Kap and Jimmy G were going to be transcendent.

Brock's story is still developing. It doesn't do any of us any good to get all worked up over our current opinion of him and trying prove the other side wrong. I don't have a strong opinion of him right now because he has shown glimpses of greatness, but also moments that make me think he is falling back down to earth. Right now, it seems the league has done its homework on him. He has tendencies that are being exploited, and it doesn't help that he is coming off an injury that impacted his throwing mechanics. He needs to find that zone again where he demonstrates that he, as Steve Young would put it, "has the force". If he gets back there or not will determine the trajectory of his career moving forward.

Michael Jordan missed some shots, therefore Luke Walton was a great player. ???

Originally posted by irief:
Michael Jordan missed some shots, therefore Luke Walton was a great player. ???

There's a Lombardi tweet waiting for this comment, lol.

Originally posted by irief:
Michael Jordan missed some shots, therefore Luke Walton was a great player. ???

Not sure what your point is or if it's directed towards my comment. If it was then you completely missed what I was saying.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I already see it and said I'm good with benching so you're misunderstanding the point. All I'm saying is Kyle is also a problem. If the answer for your figured out play that Brock has been baited into every week is for the qb to just run it with no hesitation, then you kinda suck. Telling him he made a good decision on the 2nd pick is not how you get him back on track. I'm not saying Brock is great, but Kyle doesn't help. He's kinda clueless about everything outside of scheming up a defense

Lol. Maybe you are grasping to excuse poor play by a player you really like. Brock has no problem taking accountability.

No I truly think Kyle is part of the problem. Just looking into it more, I'm seeing that he had trouble with McNabb too. Some 30 year old kid telling him to relearn the game lol Andy didn't need him to relearn the game. I see a guy that's too arrogant to adjust for anybody, that includes a struggling qb. Even QBs he's been to SBs with have complaints about his offense. Idc what happens with Brock, but Kyle is too much mad scientist and not enough coach. Brock seems to be a rare personality type that might work with him long term, but unfortunately he may not have the talent

"[Kyle Shanahan] has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II). So how could it work?"

From Cleveland

"Kyle is a big problem there. He is not well liked."






I see a problem, and I see 0 adjustments again for a qb that needs to get his feet under him. You want to find a way to make Kyle's figured out play work through perfect execution, instead of going to the source of the problem. Why has this play gotten so predictable that the backside corner doesn't even stay home anymore? I'm tired of saying "oh that was just a great play by that guy peeling off his zone" on the same route every damn week. Let's stop banging our head against that wall for a sec

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:
Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

Can the QB not check down I'm sure they go through their progression I would hope they would. I just don't see it has an offensive style or scheme problem.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

You'd only really have an argument if Jimmy took off in a different place but he was a joke after leaving, despite reuniting with his old OC.

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

Can the QB not check down I'm sure they go through their progression I would hope they would. I just don't see it has an offensive style or scheme problem.

He could, but based on how Kyle drew it up the guy should be open. Only problem is defenses are waiting for this look and jumping it from all directions. Now that that's happening, of course the qb will start to hesitate. It's happened to all of them

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

You'd only really have an argument if Jimmy took off in a different place but he was a joke after leaving, despite reuniting with his old OC.

The skill of the player isn't the point, and there's no telling what Jimmy would be if he never ended up with Kyle. He was really promising and even making the Pats consider dropping Tom

The problem is the lack of adjustment and just the arrogance overall with players. Andy ran offense for years with McNabb but Kyle didn't know how or was too arrogant to adjust for a vet. That's alarming tbh

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

You'd only really have an argument if Jimmy took off in a different place but he was a joke after leaving, despite reuniting with his old OC.

The skill of the player isn't the point, and there's no telling what Jimmy would be if he never ended up with Kyle. He was really promising and even making the Pats consider dropping Tom

The problem is the lack of adjustment and just the arrogance overall with players. Andy ran offense for years with McNabb but Kyle didn't know how or was too arrogant to adjust for a vet. That's alarming tbh

I think it's pretty clear Kyle definitely adjusts the offense for who's behind center.

We saw it firsthand WITH Jimmy. Trey as well.