QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

You don't think that might be because they aren't super talented QBs? JG was okay but he had his limitations. He certainly wasn't a top tier talent or he would have been drafted higher. When he left SF he didn't blossom into a great player. Same for Brock. There are reasons which are well known why he wasn't picked until the 7th round. Kyle gets the most out of QBs that may not have the greatest physical tools but are smart enough to understand his system. Unfortunately without elite talent that v=can only take them so far. Eventually their limited skills may keep them from reaching a higher level.

Where was Kyle when Jimmy looked good in NE? Why did 3 firsts Trey Lance suck so bad with Kyle? It's not all Kyle.

I think having a qb continue to fire over the middle like this when it's clearly not working will break him. The rigidity and lack of being able to get into your own play with all the checks and motions doesn't help. There is no good qb that wants to be in an offense like that. Thats 100% truth

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

Brock having a rough game isn't going 180 backwards. Gotta stop the hyperbole.

And relax on the Jimmy looked awesome in NE...he had 2 starts.

Watch Brock film from when he first stepped in to now. He's a tick late on everything, and that's a result of the amount times these dig routes have been jumped by defenders vacating their zone

Another problem with Kyle is that he doesn't care how predictable his play is. Brock is probably taking an extra hitch to make sure some LB isn't vacating his zone and cutting under Ricky, then gets all the blame when the corner from the other side knew the play so badly that he jumped it. You can't see how this starts to wear on a qb?

Originally posted by paulk205:
The problem with going back to last year is that you implicitly assume a trend - downwards in this case of Purdy's processing and decision making. This is possible of course, but you have too few points and too arbitrary a starting point of origin to claim it's probable. E. g. why just 24? Why not all games going back to 22? Or indeed, why not just this year to make him look even worse? I can also implicitly assume a trend - periodic, say - to extrapolate a resurgence. It's possible. Is it probable?

The facts on the other hand are indisputable. Purdy has been playing from mediocre to terrible this year, or rather with swings that have some extremely low lows - like last Monday. He also has been injured, with an especially nasty injury for QBs, as it's debilitating and lingering. He has also the fewest outlets for his passing he's ever had : 2 basically, plus flashes from the WRs. Are these more probable explanations for his poor play than lack of motivation after a big contract, or the NFL having "figured him out", or that he had always been bad but had been saved by the talent around him in 22-23 (the "Steven Ruiz thesis")? Not necessarily. They're all possible, as is a combination of all of the above. What is certain however at this point is that the team will be thrown into unnecessary turmoil by dumping its starting QB after a bad performance (but still a victory) shortly after a major (and it IS major) injury. If he continues suckling and costs us games then it's a discussion worth having. But not now, and certainly not because we assume that he's on a downward trend.

What's arbitrary using all of last yr and this yr? We all agree he played great in 2023. The expectation was/is he would improve as a QB. It's not like he has a totally different play caller or he hasn't had any help/talent around him. No it's not the all-star cast of 2023…so what, in order for him to be good we have to have The Avengers around him, he has to be 100% healthy and it's gotta be 75 and sunny out?

having a discussion on why our $265M QB isn't playing well and really hasn't been very consistent since 2023 is worth having regardless of whatever you just said imo.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

You don't think that might be because they aren't super talented QBs? JG was okay but he had his limitations. He certainly wasn't a top tier talent or he would have been drafted higher. When he left SF he didn't blossom into a great player. Same for Brock. There are reasons which are well known why he wasn't picked until the 7th round. Kyle gets the most out of QBs that may not have the greatest physical tools but are smart enough to understand his system. Unfortunately without elite talent that v=can only take them so far. Eventually their limited skills may keep them from reaching a higher level.

Where was Kyle when Jimmy looked good in NE? Why did 3 firsts Trey Lance suck so bad with Kyle? It's not all Kyle.

I think having a qb continue to fire over the middle like this when it's clearly not working will break him. The rigidity and lack of being able to get into your own play with all the checks and motions doesn't help. There is no good qb that wants to be in an offense like that. Thats 100% truth

Obviously Lance wasn't nearly as talented as he looked in that one Covid sseason where competition was watered down. It was a bad year to be drafting QBsbut the Niners really wanted to find someone that could replace the always injured JG. As for NE, JG had a very small sample size there.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

You don't think that might be because they aren't super talented QBs? JG was okay but he had his limitations. He certainly wasn't a top tier talent or he would have been drafted higher. When he left SF he didn't blossom into a great player. Same for Brock. There are reasons which are well known why he wasn't picked until the 7th round. Kyle gets the most out of QBs that may not have the greatest physical tools but are smart enough to understand his system. Unfortunately without elite talent that v=can only take them so far. Eventually their limited skills may keep them from reaching a higher level.

Where was Kyle when Jimmy looked good in NE? Why did 3 firsts Trey Lance suck so bad with Kyle? It's not all Kyle.

I think having a qb continue to fire over the middle like this when it's clearly not working will break him. The rigidity and lack of being able to get into your own play with all the checks and motions doesn't help. There is no good qb that wants to be in an offense like that. Thats 100% truth

Obviously Lance wasn't nearly as talented as he looked in that one Covid sseason where competition was watered down. It was a bad year to be drafting QBsbut the Niners really wanted to find someone that could replace the always injured JG. As for NE, JG had a very small sample size there.

He obviously wasn't so bad that he needed Kyle holding his hand to look good. All we know is he regressed with Kyle from what he was to start his career. And again, no good qb would want to play in such a rigid offense

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock having a rough game isn't going 180 backwards. Gotta stop the hyperbole.

And relax on the Jimmy looked awesome in NE...he had 2 starts.

Hyperbole is keeping it real though lol

I would say Jimmy declined after he left SF guy played so bad in Vegas, they benched him lol. Throwing live turkeys.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by paulk205:
The problem with going back to last year is that you implicitly assume a trend - downwards in this case of Purdy's processing and decision making. This is possible of course, but you have too few points and too arbitrary a starting point of origin to claim it's probable. E. g. why just 24? Why not all games going back to 22? Or indeed, why not just this year to make him look even worse? I can also implicitly assume a trend - periodic, say - to extrapolate a resurgence. It's possible. Is it probable?

The facts on the other hand are indisputable. Purdy has been playing from mediocre to terrible this year, or rather with swings that have some extremely low lows - like last Monday. He also has been injured, with an especially nasty injury for QBs, as it's debilitating and lingering. He has also the fewest outlets for his passing he's ever had : 2 basically, plus flashes from the WRs. Are these more probable explanations for his poor play than lack of motivation after a big contract, or the NFL having "figured him out", or that he had always been bad but had been saved by the talent around him in 22-23 (the "Steven Ruiz thesis")? Not necessarily. They're all possible, as is a combination of all of the above. What is certain however at this point is that the team will be thrown into unnecessary turmoil by dumping its starting QB after a bad performance (but still a victory) shortly after a major (and it IS major) injury. If he continues suckling and costs us games then it's a discussion worth having. But not now, and certainly not because we assume that he's on a downward trend.

What's arbitrary using all of last yr and this yr? We all agree he played great in 2023. The expectation was/is he would improve as a QB. It's not like he has a totally different play caller or he hasn't had any help/talent around him. No it's not the all-star cast of 2023…so what, in order for him to be good we have to have The Avengers around him, he has to be 100% healthy and it's gotta be 75 and sunny out?

having a discussion on why our $265M QB isn't playing well and really hasn't been very consistent since 2023 is worth having regardless of whatever you just said imo.

It seemed like in 2023 Purdy wasn't forcing things. He got the ball to his playmakers and let them go to work. As that supporting cast has dwindled down he seems to be forcing things more and more. I'm guessing being paid as a franchise QB makes you believe you have to be that guy. I know what Kyle said about the decisions but that second int was the worst one to me on Monday. Your in field goal range, you have a running lane for a first down in front of you but you force a bad throw and an unneeded pick into the end zone without your feet properly set and take potential points off the board.

At times he gets too much into this Brett Farve gunslinger mentality when the simple plays are still there in front of him. My hope is they can get him recentered and stop forcing things but I'm afraid he's starting to get further and further into this habit.

QB's I would definitley take over Purdy: Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Stafford, Dak, Daniels, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield, Maye.

QB's I would probably take over Purdy: Williams, Love, Nix, & Stroud.

Brock is a middle of the pack QB who needs lots of talent to work with. That is why I wanted them to hold off on a contract extension. He should have played his fourth year out.

I know Purdy early in his career was compared to Tom Brady. Sans being late round picks, they are nothing alike.

Purdy's last 20 starts

30 TD's, 19 INT. For 53 million

We are so screwed.

so maybe it's not all on Brock, I mean need to give credit to the defensive coordinators they are very good in the nfl. They have three years of tape on Brock now and know his tendencies, his weaknesses etc. the great qbs can adjust maybe Brock just doesn't have that ability.

Originally posted by Ajinsc:
so maybe it's not all on Brock, I mean need to give credit to the defensive coordinators they are very good in the nfl. They have three years of tape on Brock now and know his tendencies, his weaknesses etc. the great qbs can adjust maybe Brock just doesn't have that ability.

If he can't adjust, that kind of is his fault.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
QB's I would definitley take over Purdy: Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Stafford, Dak, Daniels, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield, Maye.

QB's I would probably take over Purdy: Williams, Love, Nix, & Stroud.

Brock is a middle of the pack QB who needs lots of talent to work with. That is why I wanted them to hold off on a contract extension. He should have played his fourth year out.

I drafted Nix for us in the 2nd round in the mock draft forum. My reasoning was because BP's recovery was unknown and well, Bo's, a good QB. I got lambasted by the zone of course . He shot up the board and we had no chance at him anyway, not even with our 1st.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
QB's I would definitley take over Purdy: Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Stafford, Dak, Daniels, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield, Maye.

QB's I would probably take over Purdy: Williams, Love, Nix, & Stroud.

Brock is a middle of the pack QB who needs lots of talent to work with. That is why I wanted them to hold off on a contract extension. He should have played his fourth year out.

I drafted Nix for us in the 2nd round in the mock draft forum. My reasoning was because BP's recovery was unknown and well, Bo's, a good QB. I got lambasted by the zone of course . He shot up the board and we had no chance at him anyway, not even with our 1st.

I think Nix is a product of his HC. But I still like him.a tad more than Purdy. It's close though.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
If he can't adjust, that kind of is his fault.

Well I would say more like a limitation.. the nfl is littered with players that had one or two good years.

Originally posted by Ajinsc:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
If he can't adjust, that kind of is his fault.

Well I would say more like a limitation.. the nfl is littered with players that had one or two good years.

I get you. Yeah, if that is a limitation than it's not on him. All QB's have them.

The front office should be held accountable for dishing out that contract. He could have played out year 4.