QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Here's an observation I've had. Why does it seem like qb's under Kyle start off great then in time regresses?

I am thinking Jimmy g's first 5 games, then he has the acl tear early in his first full season. imo he was never the same after that.
Purdy came in to that Miami game and was lights out. He was fantastic the rest of the season until he got his elbow blown out. Then he was great the next season. But since.... not the same.

While he's still aggressive he's also more timid. It's like he doesn't see everything as fast as he used to and/or is thinking to much.

I mean Matt Ryan had his best season under Kyle the last season they were together.

Outside of Ryan, kyle hasn't really worked with elite level or well established vet QBs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Here's an observation I've had. Why does it seem like qb's under Kyle start off great then in time regresses?

I am thinking Jimmy g's first 5 games, then he has the acl tear early in his first full season. imo he was never the same after that.
Purdy came in to that Miami game and was lights out. He was fantastic the rest of the season until he got his elbow blown out. Then he was great the next season. But since.... not the same.

While he's still aggressive he's also more timid. It's like he doesn't see everything as fast as he used to and/or is thinking to much.

I mean Matt Ryan had his best season under Kyle the last season they were together.

Outside of Ryan, kyle hasn't really worked with elite level or well established vet QBs

Matt Ryan himself wasn't a big fan of Kyles offense. He was going to have his best year with all that talent around him with or without Kyle

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Here's an observation I've had. Why does it seem like qb's under Kyle start off great then in time regresses?

I am thinking Jimmy g's first 5 games, then he has the acl tear early in his first full season. imo he was never the same after that.

An ACL tear is no small thing, especially if you need to step unto throws. Some people never recover fully. Jimmy was immobile and flimsy in much of the 19 season (still carried by a great team) then kept getting injured in the following 3 seasons with us. He was also on his way out in 22 and only came back for a while because of Lance's own injuries and general inadequacy.

You can argue that Shanahan is partly at fault for his playcalling that got them injured, but the whole "regression" narrative is less than convincing tp me,

I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

Originally posted by bud49:

I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:
I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

I praise his offense as a whole too. Passing game alone though and the way it's run, QBs don't seem to like it

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Here's an observation I've had. Why does it seem like qb's under Kyle start off great then in time regresses?

I am thinking Jimmy g's first 5 games, then he has the acl tear early in his first full season. imo he was never the same after that.
Purdy came in to that Miami game and was lights out. He was fantastic the rest of the season until he got his elbow blown out. Then he was great the next season. But since.... not the same.

While he's still aggressive he's also more timid. It's like he doesn't see everything as fast as he used to and/or is thinking to much.

When the reads are late that's a qb issue not an offense issue.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Here's an observation I've had. Why does it seem like qb's under Kyle start off great then in time regresses?

I am thinking Jimmy g's first 5 games, then he has the acl tear early in his first full season. imo he was never the same after that.
Purdy came in to that Miami game and was lights out. He was fantastic the rest of the season until he got his elbow blown out. Then he was great the next season. But since.... not the same.

While he's still aggressive he's also more timid. It's like he doesn't see everything as fast as he used to and/or is thinking to much.

When the reads are late that's a qb issue not an offense issue.

I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he never saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:
I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

I praise his offense as a whole too. Passing game alone though and the way it's run, QBs don't seem to like it

QBs who have never ran the offense themselves to understand the benefits of it may not like some parts of it due to personal preference.

There is plenty of praise for his passing concepts even if they have their preferences in SOME instances of it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:
I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

I praise his offense as a whole too. Passing game alone though and the way it's run, QBs don't seem to like it

QBs who have never ran the offense themselves to understand the benefits of it may not like some parts of it due to personal preference.

There is plenty of praise for his passing concepts even if they have their preferences in SOME instances of it.

JG and Brock have both had success in this offense. So did Mac Jones. Darnold said he learned a lot in his one year as a backup because Kyle explains the reasons and concept behind his offense instead of just saying do this or do that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

You don't think that might be because they aren't super talented QBs? JG was okay but he had his limitations. He certainly wasn't a top tier talent or he would have been drafted higher. When he left SF he didn't blossom into a great player. Same for Brock. There are reasons which are well known why he wasn't picked until the 7th round. Kyle gets the most out of QBs that may not have the greatest physical tools but are smart enough to understand his system. Unfortunately without elite talent that v=can only take them so far. Eventually their limited skills may keep them from reaching a higher level.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think the question is why have QBs gotten like this given enough time under Kyle

Jimmy was the same guy throughout, he near saw the field well. There wasn't any regression. He just couldn't move to make plays outside of structure once he came back from his knee.

Brock is trying to fit balls in where he shouldn't.. I can't imagine Kyle is coaching him to do that.

Ryan got better the more he was in Kyle's offense. Schaub too.

I don't think Schaub or Ryan were with Kyle more than 2 years, so that's not given enough time. Jimmy looked awesome in NE, then looked great with Goodwin, then started to suck after enouhh time with Kyle he got timid and lost it. I see the same thing happening again. There's only so much hitting the backfoot and firing over the middle before s**t goes wrong. It looks awesome when a qb first gets in and is still fresh and confident, but we've now seen 2 QBs go 180 backwards with Kyle over time

Brock having a rough game isn't going 180 backwards. Gotta stop the hyperbole.

And relax on the Jimmy looked awesome in NE...he had 2 starts.