QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Must be if you think that wasn't a clear lane...

And I'm expecting CMC to catch that ball even if it's high. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in the argument that Brock throwing that meant instant disaster in some of yours opinions. There was a lot more good than bad that should've happened on that play.

You're reacting to it being a pick. And it's because CMC bats it up in the air and almost backwards where the defenders close on him and one manages to snag the rebound.

This is wide open in the NFL.

I already acknowledged that CMC was open. Him not being open hasn't been a point at any time in my argument.

CMC should have caught that ball… CMC could have let the pass go. Just ridiculous stretches to defend a bad pass from your favorite QB. Par for the course.

If you acknowledge that CMC was open, I dont understand your original premise.....that it was a reckless throw.

For the record, I have agreed with everything that genus has said about this play aside from CMC possibly just letting the ball go.

For the record I wasn't advocating for CMC letting the ball go. I simply said that because the take was if Brock doesn't throw that ball even if it's 2nd and 10 they get to live to play another down.

All I was saying if CMC doesn't get his hand on the ball it's 2nd and 10...and we live to play another down. Basically took issue with the idea that Brock making that throw was some horrible decision on his behalf.

He's made plays this year which I've talked about in here where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. This play wasn't that.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

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But 2nd and 7.

Originally posted by genus49:
For the record I wasn't advocating for CMC letting the ball go. I simply said that because the take was if Brock doesn't throw that ball even if it's 2nd and 10 they get to live to play another down.

All I was saying if CMC doesn't get his hand on the ball it's 2nd and 10...and we live to play another down. Basically took issue with the idea that Brock making that throw was some horrible decision on his behalf.

He's made plays this year which I've talked about in here where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. This play wasn't that.

You keep pretending like last year never happened, and that Broccolini didn't demonstrate an entire season's worth of mediocre/subpar play.

Don't go down the Jimmy G rabbit hole of rationalizing and excusing.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
I've said it was a bad pass in many posts here. You, NY and some others were going on and on about how it was a terrible decision.

It was not. And yes CMC should have caught the ball. It was a hard catch to make but one he's capable of making. And saying IF CMC lets it go it's incomplete is not a stretch, it's reality.

That ball is not a pick without it being batted up in the air. So you guys want to analyze the play because of the result and act like it was a terrible decision by Brock to put that ball in danger. It was not.

Yea, I know you said it was a bad pass. You're hedging - trying to have it both ways.

It's a bad pass - but you expect CMC to catch it.

You expect CMC to catch it - but he also could have let it go ( ie - not even attempt to catch it). This is one of the most laughably unrealistic points I've seen here, easily.

You post a screenshot to argue a point nobody is arguing against (CMC was open). You seem to not even notice the screenshot confirms my argument about the passing lane (and the defender being on his throwing arm, causing him to alter the throw). This was obvious from watching the play.

You're arguing in bad faith with this...

As I said above there was a reason I mentioned CMC not going for it. I've been consistent about that play the whole time. Bad throw. A catch that could've still been made despite the bad throw. Not a bad decision to make the throw.

And yes I expect CMC to catch it cuz he's a great player and he's caught high passes before. I expect all of our players to help the other whether it's the receivers making tough catches on poorly thrown balls or QBs trying to make plays when the OL breaks down.

And please stop moving the goal post about how nobody is arguing about CMC being open. The whole idea of it being a bad decision is related to how the play was happening. You may have said CMC was open but you also spent many a posts talking about how the passing lane wasn't...it was. The screenshot shows it also I just circled the mass amount of space CMC had if he caught the ball.

Don't try to distract from the same point i've been arguing against here - this was a perfectly fine decision by Brock to throw that ball. It's not hero ball. Everything else is fluff. If you want to agree to the decision being fine then we can move on. If you don't then let's argue that...not these other things you're stretching as something I meant differently than I did.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Must be if you think that wasn't a clear lane...

And I'm expecting CMC to catch that ball even if it's high. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in the argument that Brock throwing that meant instant disaster in some of yours opinions. There was a lot more good than bad that should've happened on that play.

You're reacting to it being a pick. And it's because CMC bats it up in the air and almost backwards where the defenders close on him and one manages to snag the rebound.

This is wide open in the NFL.

I think he's reacting to it being a bad throw all the same. If you think it's the right read fine. IMO that's not an easy throw and there was free yards to be had on 1st down in positive territory.

Blaming that on CMC at all is pointing the figure anywhere else but the QB and silly. That's a ridiculous play to make and he's not some elite tall WR. Full extension and he still couldn't get it.

this was a poor game for Brock, not sure why we can't just keep it real. I'm sure the injury affected some of it. I think Brock is went back to last yr's play and made s**t harder than it needed to be

That is a throw he's made so many times. That's not a hard throw to make at all even for his limited arm. He's beaten the rusher in his face to make big time throw time and time again.

We remember this one right? Do we think that's an easier throw?



Now you can certainly claim that making that throw on 3rd down is different than 1st down but I would come back with the fact that the throwing lane in the Jags game was a lot cleaner and the throw was much easier to make.

I also said it was a poor game by Brock, that's pretty obvious. My only issue is with you guys pretending that particular decision was bad. It was not. My issue with Brock in this game was his accuracy and I'm certainly hoping it's related to the toe issue because the same guy vs an arguably tougher defense week 1 was hitting all of these throws. That's why his accuracy metrics were through the roof.


Obviously that was not the case vs the Jags. And I personally find it hard to believe that 2 weeks of sitting made him so rusty that the guy forgot how to throw an accurate pass.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
I've said it was a bad pass in many posts here. You, NY and some others were going on and on about how it was a terrible decision.

It was not. And yes CMC should have caught the ball. It was a hard catch to make but one he's capable of making. And saying IF CMC lets it go it's incomplete is not a stretch, it's reality.

That ball is not a pick without it being batted up in the air. So you guys want to analyze the play because of the result and act like it was a terrible decision by Brock to put that ball in danger. It was not.

Yea, I know you said it was a bad pass. You're hedging - trying to have it both ways.

It's a bad pass - but you expect CMC to catch it.

You expect CMC to catch it - but he also could have let it go ( ie - not even attempt to catch it). This is one of the most laughably unrealistic points I've seen here, easily.

You post a screenshot to argue a point nobody is arguing against (CMC was open). You seem to not even notice the screenshot confirms my argument about the passing lane (and the defender being on his throwing arm, causing him to alter the throw). This was obvious from watching the play.

You're arguing in bad faith with this...

As I said above there was a reason I mentioned CMC not going for it. I've been consistent about that play the whole time. Bad throw. A catch that could've still been made despite the bad throw. Not a bad decision to make the throw.

And yes I expect CMC to catch it cuz he's a great player and he's caught high passes before. I expect all of our players to help the other whether it's the receivers making tough catches on poorly thrown balls or QBs trying to make plays when the OL breaks down.

And please stop moving the goal post about how nobody is arguing about CMC being open. The whole idea of it being a bad decision is related to how the play was happening. You may have said CMC was open but you also spent many a posts talking about how the passing lane wasn't...it was. The screenshot shows it also I just circled the mass amount of space CMC had if he caught the ball.

Don't try to distract from the same point i've been arguing against here - this was a perfectly fine decision by Brock to throw that ball. It's not hero ball. Everything else is fluff. If you want to agree to the decision being fine then we can move on. If you don't then let's argue that...not these other things you're stretching as something I meant differently than I did.

The phrase they've been using is "YOLO ball."

I feel like you can see the effect of the metatarsophalangeal joint sprain in the CPOE numbers. Brock didn't just forget how to throw the ball after two weeks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
If you acknowledge that CMC was open, I dont understand your original premise.....that it was a reckless throw.

For the record, I have agreed with everything that genus has said about this play aside from CMC possibly just letting the ball go.

from my perspective it looked like a hard throw to make and it was obviously a bad throw. It was 1st and 10 on the Jags 37 and its only 7-3 at that point. For me I would be fine with an easy 5 yard completion and move the chains. Can't afford TOs when this team is as banged up as they are.

and yeah silly to try and blame CMC for not catching that.

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I didn't see it but just looked. Notice you left out the context of the conversation - hmm I wonder why? I mean I was defending Jimmy lol, which I clearly have admitted that I was wrong. I was also wrong about QBR (for similar reasons), not that it's perfect or anything. But since it takes into account things that passer rating does not, it's wise to weigh the two together.

Purdy's passer rating is bad right now, but the Niners have a ton of drops which drastically skews the stat. QBR adjusts for drops, so it provides context.

Edit: you also didn't quote the comments before this, and pivoted to a different point. Which you do all the time. Waving that white flag.

The confirmation bias king at it again.

This stat is good because I agree with it. This stat is bad because I disagree with it.

Your words are as clear as can be.

Originally posted by genus49:
You're arguing in bad faith with this...

As I said above there was a reason I mentioned CMC not going for it. I've been consistent about that play the whole time. Bad throw. A catch that could've still been made despite the bad throw. Not a bad decision to make the throw.

And yes I expect CMC to catch it cuz he's a great player and he's caught high passes before. I expect all of our players to help the other whether it's the receivers making tough catches on poorly thrown balls or QBs trying to make plays when the OL breaks down.

And please stop moving the goal post about how nobody is arguing about CMC being open. The whole idea of it being a bad decision is related to how the play was happening. You may have said CMC was open but you also spent many a posts talking about how the passing lane wasn't...it was. The screenshot shows it also I just circled the mass amount of space CMC had if he caught the ball.

Don't try to distract from the same point i've been arguing against here - this was a perfectly fine decision by Brock to throw that ball. It's not hero ball. Everything else is fluff. If you want to agree to the decision being fine then we can move on. If you don't then let's argue that...not these other things you're stretching as something I meant differently than I did.

Keep hedging bud.

I haven't moved a goalpost one inch in this conversation. It was a bad pass and a bad decision. I've supported those positions in detail. You can continue to contort yourself to minimize Brock's responsibility on the play.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

5 yards, 2 yards, it doesn't actually matter. It's taking what is there, and moving on to the next play instead of forcing a bigger play that ends up in a turnover.

Many people who have defended that decision have described it as 'it's who Brock is'. We are supposed to be improving in this area. Again, Brock has specifically addressed his need to take what's there and not force bigger plays. It is a point of emphasis, yet we have fans who think this problem… and it is a problem going back for some time… should be reinforced.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I didn't see it but just looked. Notice you left out the context of the conversation - hmm I wonder why? I mean I was defending Jimmy lol, which I clearly have admitted that I was wrong. I was also wrong about QBR (for similar reasons), not that it's perfect or anything. But since it takes into account things that passer rating does not, it's wise to weigh the two together.

Purdy's passer rating is bad right now, but the Niners have a ton of drops which drastically skews the stat. QBR adjusts for drops, so it provides context.

Edit: you also didn't quote the comments before this, and pivoted to a different point. Which you do all the time. Waving that white flag.

The confirmation bias king at it again.

This stat is good because I agree with it. This stat is bad because I disagree with it.

Your words are as clear as can be.

Actually that is YOUR position because you loved QBR when arguing against Jimmy G. I am explaining my reasons for changing my mind and admitting I was wrong about Jimmy G.

Feel free to clear the air about your position on QBR, and if you've changed your mind on it, why.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

5 yards, 2 yards, it doesn't actually matter. It's taking what is there, and moving on to the next play instead of forcing a bigger play that ends up in a turnover.

Many people who have defended that decision have described it as 'it's who Brock is'. We are supposed to be improving in this area. Again, Brock has specifically addressed his need to take what's there and not force bigger plays. It is a point of emphasis, yet we have fans who think this problem… and it is a problem going back for some time… should be reinforced.

You can't be serious. The success rate of getting a 1st down on 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 8 is a big difference. And you simply don't check down on 1st and 10 and take 5 or 2 yards "just because it's there" when you have an open WR in the middle of the field for a potential TD.

You'd be much better off just admitting that it was the right decision, and then continue arguing that the throw was bad and what caused the INT (which is also false but at least you won't be arguing a stupid point).

Originally posted by Furlow:
Actually that is YOUR position because you loved QBR when arguing against Jimmy G. I am explaining my reasons for changing my mind and admitting I was wrong about Jimmy G.

Feel free to clear the air about your position on QBR, and if you've changed your mind on it, why.

I don't love any singular stat, lol. Find posts for me saying x qb played well because his qbr is this. They don't exist. I routinely argue that stats are misleading.

I wasn't even arguing against Jimmy G in those conversations. Certainly not in any conversation where the other option was Trey Lance.

You're talking out of your ass as usual because you got caught being a hypocrite. Again, your words couldn't be more clear. You hated QBR when it worked against your argument, and promoted passer rating instead. Now you ignore passer rating and promote QBR. Receipts will always be a problem for people like you.