QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Patton:
Watching the replays, so many of his throws were way too high. Why is he so bad at placing the ball way above the receivers? Maybe his height in comparison to the d-lines, but he has to get his ball placement in check.

I keep saying this - he was clearly injured. He couldn't throw off his foot properly… cause he shouldn't have been playing.

brock made poor decisions in the game but he couldn't even play properly cause he is injured. Try throwing off your plant foot when you can't plant properly or without pain. It's ridiculous

Originally posted by pd24:
I don't care about that. Im talking about Brock in his last 17 games. He hasn't been good.

Bead team record, not even 25 passing TDs and way too many INT's.

I get he got paid for the year prior, but it wasn't a very smart decision from the front office if their plan was to gut the roster and expect him to elevate the play of players that aren't as good as we have had in the past.

Brock isn't a QB that will make average players look better than they are. He plays up to or down to the talent level around him. He is probably what Kirk Cousins used to be with more running ability

This is what Kyle Shanahan wants in a QB. What did you want them to do? Let him walk and roll with Mac Jones or the like...then do it all over again in a year or two?

I don't think that's a recipe for success do you? Other players getting big $ are getting older, potentially getting hurt so what does a cheap QB give you? You still have to draft well so you can find great young players to extend but who did we lose that we're really upset by right now? Dre? I feel for him but pretty sure he hasn't played a down for Denver yet. Huf? Aaron Banks? He's got a 38.3 PFF grade with GB and already missed 2 out of the 4 games.

People were upset we extended Aiyuk and Deebo so why are people so wrapped up about the money at least right now?

We all know he's not a Josh Allen, Lamar, Mahomes type of QB. But he's still very good. People are bashing the guy and yet despite all the pressure he's faced in his 2 games vs two top 5 defenses currently he's averaging more passing yards per game than any QB in the league right now.

Yes he's got to watch the turnovers but they're not exactly Jimmy G like picks. The team hasn't had any consistency around him since 2023. The one year they did he was in the MVP consideration.

I don't think it's crazy to think if we can just get consistent play around him, doesn't have to be Avengers level, we'd see a much better QB. It's just unfortunate that we won't know when his toe is fully healed this season now and how much of his poor accuracy yesterday was a result of that vs him just playing poorly.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
According to PFF, he outplayed Trevor Lawrence, a generational #1 overall pick. Nice job, Brock. Considering the toe injury that really affected his performance, that's pretty impressive.

That's another reason PFF is a joke. Lawrence wasn't good but Purdy was BAD.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Patton:
Watching the replays, so many of his throws were way too high. Why is he so bad at placing the ball way above the receivers? Maybe his height in comparison to the d-lines, but he has to get his ball placement in check.

I keep saying this - he was clearly injured. He couldn't throw off his foot properly… cause he shouldn't have been playing.

brock made poor decisions in the game but he couldn't even play properly cause he is injured. Try throwing off your plant foot when you can't plant properly or without pain. It's ridiculous

I agree. It's likely that it not only physically affected his ability to plant, causing some of his throws to be high, but also the extreme amount of pain probably also affected his decision making. It's harder to make good decisions when you're physically hurting.

Purdys not playing against the rams and few fans are
giving them a chance Thursday night. It'll be a complete S show in 9 er land if Mac goes out there and leads the Niners to a win over the rams. Not sure it's possible but if…………

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Patton:
Watching the replays, so many of his throws were way too high. Why is he so bad at placing the ball way above the receivers? Maybe his height in comparison to the d-lines, but he has to get his ball placement in check.

I keep saying this - he was clearly injured. He couldn't throw off his foot properly… cause he shouldn't have been playing.

brock made poor decisions in the game but he couldn't even play properly cause he is injured. Try throwing off your plant foot when you can't plant properly or without pain. It's ridiculous

In all honesty, I feel like he has always had issues with throwing the ball way above his receivers, causing them to have to go up and get the ball and make unreal catches because they were not able to just catch the ball in stride.
Also, in live time, it looked like he made short throws too hard at times which led to a couple drops.

I get that he's hurt and has been out, but a lot of these issues seem like they are things that there shouldn't be an issue with from a starting QB.

Idk what the answer is but this team has a ton of issues to fix.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Purdys not playing against the rams and few fans are
giving them a chance Thursday night. It'll be a complete S show in 9 er land if Mac goes out there and leads the Niners to a win over the rams. Not sure it's possible but if…………

I think it will be more of a relief than a s**t show.
It's not going to matter who the QB is if we see a repeat performance of the OL.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by pd24:
I don't care about that. Im talking about Brock in his last 17 games. He hasn't been good.

Bead team record, not even 25 passing TDs and way too many INT's.

I get he got paid for the year prior, but it wasn't a very smart decision from the front office if their plan was to gut the roster and expect him to elevate the play of players that aren't as good as we have had in the past.

Brock isn't a QB that will make average players look better than they are. He plays up to or down to the talent level around him. He is probably what Kirk Cousins used to be with more running ability

This is what Kyle Shanahan wants in a QB. What did you want them to do? Let him walk and roll with Mac Jones or the like...then do it all over again in a year or two?

I don't think that's a recipe for success do you? Other players getting big $ are getting older, potentially getting hurt so what does a cheap QB give you? You still have to draft well so you can find great young players to extend but who did we lose that we're really upset by right now? Dre? I feel for him but pretty sure he hasn't played a down for Denver yet. Huf? Aaron Banks? He's got a 38.3 PFF grade with GB and already missed 2 out of the 4 games.

People were upset we extended Aiyuk and Deebo so why are people so wrapped up about the money at least right now?

We all know he's not a Josh Allen, Lamar, Mahomes type of QB. But he's still very good. People are bashing the guy and yet despite all the pressure he's faced in his 2 games vs two top 5 defenses currently he's averaging more passing yards per game than any QB in the league right now.

Yes he's got to watch the turnovers but they're not exactly Jimmy G like picks. The team hasn't had any consistency around him since 2023. The one year they did he was in the MVP consideration.

I don't think it's crazy to think if we can just get consistent play around him, doesn't have to be Avengers level, we'd see a much better QB. It's just unfortunate that we won't know when his toe is fully healed this season now and how much of his poor accuracy yesterday was a result of that vs him just playing poorly.

He is paid to be very good and he isn't very good. He is solid and that is about it. He is paid up there with guys like Joe Burrow, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Matt Stafford. he isn't better than any of those QBs and I don't think he's even close to them.

Last 17 games Purdy vs. Mahomes plus the NFL median/average

Purdy
Passing yards: 4,450
Yards/att: 8.4
Completion percentage: 65.9
TD: 24
INT: 16
Rating: 94.6

Mahomes
Passing yards: 4,157
Yards/att: 6.7
Completion percentage: 65.8
TD: 32
INT: 6
Rating: 98.1

Median team passing stats for 2024 (to give an approximate "average" for QB play)
Passing yards: 3,665
Yards/att: 7.1
Completion percentage: 65.1
TD: 22
INT: 12
Rating: 93.1

What jumps out to me are yards per attempt, TD's and INT's. Clearly we have a very aggressive QB who gets us chunk plays, something we have all wanted for a long time. The reason for lack of TD's is debatable but my opinion is Kyle is simply a terrible play caller in the red zone. He relies on play design rather than just taking advantage of matchups. It's too complex and I think we'd be better off just letting guys make plays against favorable matchups. The INT's are higher than average and that's probably a product of being aggressive and not having all weapons available. Purdy would be wise to dial down the aggressiveness when operating without key pass catchers.

He's not a "bottom half QB" by any stretch, that's just absurd. Probably falls in that 8-12 range. Get some guys healthy, finally address the OL pass protection, and get more experience and he can easily get in that top 5-6 area.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by pd24:
I don't care about that. Im talking about Brock in his last 17 games. He hasn't been good.

Bead team record, not even 25 passing TDs and way too many INT's.

I get he got paid for the year prior, but it wasn't a very smart decision from the front office if their plan was to gut the roster and expect him to elevate the play of players that aren't as good as we have had in the past.

Brock isn't a QB that will make average players look better than they are. He plays up to or down to the talent level around him. He is probably what Kirk Cousins used to be with more running ability

This is what Kyle Shanahan wants in a QB. What did you want them to do? Let him walk and roll with Mac Jones or the like...then do it all over again in a year or two?

I don't think that's a recipe for success do you? Other players getting big $ are getting older, potentially getting hurt so what does a cheap QB give you? You still have to draft well so you can find great young players to extend but who did we lose that we're really upset by right now? Dre? I feel for him but pretty sure he hasn't played a down for Denver yet. Huf? Aaron Banks? He's got a 38.3 PFF grade with GB and already missed 2 out of the 4 games.

People were upset we extended Aiyuk and Deebo so why are people so wrapped up about the money at least right now?

We all know he's not a Josh Allen, Lamar, Mahomes type of QB. But he's still very good. People are bashing the guy and yet despite all the pressure he's faced in his 2 games vs two top 5 defenses currently he's averaging more passing yards per game than any QB in the league right now.

Yes he's got to watch the turnovers but they're not exactly Jimmy G like picks. The team hasn't had any consistency around him since 2023. The one year they did he was in the MVP consideration.

I don't think it's crazy to think if we can just get consistent play around him, doesn't have to be Avengers level, we'd see a much better QB. It's just unfortunate that we won't know when his toe is fully healed this season now and how much of his poor accuracy yesterday was a result of that vs him just playing poorly.

I don't think this team is headed for success anytime soon. I see another reset coming soon in a year or so. Kyle will probably go 1st and then they role with Purdy until the next coach finds someone he likes.

Seems like Kyle is getting stale, they had 2 shots at the SB and it didnt happen. You rarely see a coach lose 2 times, rebuild most of the roster and make it back. Division is also getting younger and better.

I like Kyle and wanted him hired, but he has been here a while and it looks like if he doesn't find success in the next year or 2, he will probably be gone. Also the injury thing needs to be looked into and corrected for our team. Training staff/drafting/coaching issue.

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes hyperbole. You expect more from a $250M QB? So why are you bringing up last year when he was a 7th round rookie salary? And as I said above his cap hit this year is $9 million. Where is your expectation about that?

The whole "Is he $240 million" better thing is a lame argument and I'm sure you know it. Brock earned a new deal, he got it and now he has to play regardless of his salary. Like ANY QB he can't play by himself. The first two turnovers were not on Brock. Either or both of those get wiped off the board and we don't know how the rest of the game looks but odds are we're at least discussing Brock's play after a win.

You may have different expectations but considering the job of the QB and WR are vastly different...you should be able to hold a guy accountable for 3 drops including a huge game shifting play. Farrell as we all know btw got a pretty good contract for basically being a blocking TE2. Expecting him to secure the ball isn't a big ask.

Look at Mahomes - no Rice, no Worthy and he's not looking like his usual self. Worthy gets back into the lineup and he plays his best game of the season. That's an actual elite QB in this sport and he's still feeling it when his top guys are out of the lineup.

Why are we shocked when Brock does as well?

Now I do agree Brock has to make better decisions on first/second down. There is a risk factor on some of those throws he goes for and he has to keep that gunslinger mentality in check but at the same time it's that mentality that gave us a lot of huge plays in 2023 when we had consistency at the skill positions and had an outside threat that kept defenses honest. Do we want him to turn into Alex Smith? I don't think so. How about the team just rallies around him and we protect the football?

I mean we had people yesterday talking how this was the worst QB performance they've seen...and you're telling me it's not hyperbole? Or did we get some fans who weren't around for Kap's 4 pick game vs the Cards? Cuz I'd say that game was FAR away worse than what Brock put on tape yesterday.

That avg play last yr was easier to stomach paying at a 7th rd salary, that's doesn't mean you throw all that film and stats in the trash. Go back to college, Brock has always tried playing hero ball which leads to TOs. He's been doing the same thing here.

Giving him the largest contract in franchise history and not expecting him to actually play at that level, lifting up a team that CAN'T afford to toss every all-star around him isn't lame…it's expectations. Anyone who makes more money has higher expectations. That's life bro.

I just saw Mahomes go for 270 and 4TDs vs the Ravens. I see Mahomes run around make plays every week.

I never said Brock sucks and I'm not "shocked" when he plays well. I'm saying hold some damn accountably on the guy who's making a f**k ton of cash and suppose to be the next great SF FQB. He's not playing great football and honestly he hasn't been for a little bit. His superpower is processing and being smart. Has he looked like that lately?

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Purdys not playing against the rams and few fans are
giving them a chance Thursday night. It'll be a complete S show in 9 er land if Mac goes out there and leads the Niners to a win over the rams. Not sure it's possible but if…………

I think it will be more of a relief than a s**t show.
It's not going to matter who the QB is if we see a repeat performance of the OL.

Personally I feel better with a hurt Mac behind this oline than Purdy.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
According to PFF, he outplayed Trevor Lawrence, a generational #1 overall pick. Nice job, Brock. Considering the toe injury that really affected his performance, that's pretty impressive.

That's another reason PFF is a joke. Lawrence wasn't good but Purdy was BAD.

If it helps Brock was better by a fraction of a point.

Though Lawrence didn't have anyone drop his passes and Brock was pressured 11 times more than Lawrence was so there's also that.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Purdys not playing against the rams and few fans are
giving them a chance Thursday night. It'll be a complete S show in 9 er land if Mac goes out there and leads the Niners to a win over the rams. Not sure it's possible but if…………

I think it will be more of a relief than a s**t show.
It's not going to matter who the QB is if we see a repeat performance of the OL.

Personally I feel better with a hurt Mac behind this oline than Purdy.

Hate to agree with that but I think you're right.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes hyperbole. You expect more from a $250M QB? So why are you bringing up last year when he was a 7th round rookie salary? And as I said above his cap hit this year is $9 million. Where is your expectation about that?

The whole "Is he $240 million" better thing is a lame argument and I'm sure you know it. Brock earned a new deal, he got it and now he has to play regardless of his salary. Like ANY QB he can't play by himself. The first two turnovers were not on Brock. Either or both of those get wiped off the board and we don't know how the rest of the game looks but odds are we're at least discussing Brock's play after a win.

You may have different expectations but considering the job of the QB and WR are vastly different...you should be able to hold a guy accountable for 3 drops including a huge game shifting play. Farrell as we all know btw got a pretty good contract for basically being a blocking TE2. Expecting him to secure the ball isn't a big ask.

Look at Mahomes - no Rice, no Worthy and he's not looking like his usual self. Worthy gets back into the lineup and he plays his best game of the season. That's an actual elite QB in this sport and he's still feeling it when his top guys are out of the lineup.

Why are we shocked when Brock does as well?

Now I do agree Brock has to make better decisions on first/second down. There is a risk factor on some of those throws he goes for and he has to keep that gunslinger mentality in check but at the same time it's that mentality that gave us a lot of huge plays in 2023 when we had consistency at the skill positions and had an outside threat that kept defenses honest. Do we want him to turn into Alex Smith? I don't think so. How about the team just rallies around him and we protect the football?

I mean we had people yesterday talking how this was the worst QB performance they've seen...and you're telling me it's not hyperbole? Or did we get some fans who weren't around for Kap's 4 pick game vs the Cards? Cuz I'd say that game was FAR away worse than what Brock put on tape yesterday.

That avg play last yr was easier to stomach paying at a 7th rd salary, that's doesn't mean you throw all that film and stats in the trash. Go back to college, Brock has always tried playing hero ball which leads to TOs. He's been doing the same thing here.

Giving him the largest contract in franchise history and not expecting him to actually play at that level, lifting up a team that CAN'T afford to toss every all-star around him isn't lame…it's expectations. Anyone who makes more money has higher expectations. That's life bro.

I just saw Mahomes go for 270 and 4TDs vs the Ravens. I see Mahomes run around make plays every week.

I never said Brock sucks and I'm not "shocked" when he plays well. I'm saying hold some damn accountably on the guy who's making a f**k ton of cash and suppose to be the next great SF FQB. He's not playing great football and honestly he hasn't been for a little bit. His superpower is processing and being smart. Has he looked like that lately?

Yes when you watch the highlights on Sportscenter lol. The overall stats just don't back this up. Mahomes is dink and dunk and relies on his defense. Efficient and boring.