Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's 11 man tackle football, EVERY stat is a "team stat." You and a few other like to dismiss QB wins because it goes against your narrative you're constantly pushing. You don't have to like the stat, but it exists, and is discussed A LOT by everyone in the football community. It's not going to go away.
The win stat is a bigger function of the team as a whole then other stats would be. The defense doesn't influence how many picks their qb throws in a given game. But they sure as hell influence on whether he wins.
So if the defense is absolutely shutting down an opponent, which allows the offense to run the ball more, that doesn't influence how many picks a QB throws? Conversely, if a defense is getting gashed for 30-40 points, forcing the offense to throw the ball more, that doesn't influence the QB to possibly throw more picks?
I agree with Furlow. In football. All three phases of the game indirectly impact each other.
for example, if special teams sucks and the opponent starts in field goal range - if the defense does 3 & out but the opponent still gets a field Goal, that's special teams putting the defense in position to get scored on.
The performance of offense depends a lot on how defense & special teams are, vice versa.
Exactly. And the reason that QB's get "credit" for wins is because it's the hardest position to play in the most physically/emotionally/mentally challenging game there is - and no player nor position in any sport influences the outcome more than quarterbacks. Doesn't mean other positions don't influence it, but nothing like the QB position.
The general rule still applies, but good preemptive move.
