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QB Brock Purdy Thread
QB Brock Purdy Thread
Jan 5, 2023 at 7:30 AM
- 9moon
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Jan 5, 2023 at 7:35 AM
- libertyforever
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:lol BS ..thanks for the laugh
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up
Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.
QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?
His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.
How did we go from W/L records for average joes to multiple SB appearances and the W/L records in them?
Do they realize that the a SB win counts exactly the same in a W/L record as the 1st game to a season?
Which further defeats their original point? Lol.
Win or Lose,...getting to multiple SBs as a starting QB over & over is clear circumstantial evidence that you're probably doing something right.
This has ZERO to do with an ongoing regular season W/L tally.
You should probably read the thread first.
The original point was responding to the dislike of QBrec because this is a team sport. This same argument can apply to playoff win loss record for a QB, or QB SB win loss record, or QB SB win.
Jan 5, 2023 at 7:43 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by libertyforever:And my point, when you know a QB is good, you don't need to bring up W/L record
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:lol BS ..thanks for the laugh
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up
Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.
QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?
His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.
How did we go from W/L records for average joes to multiple SB appearances and the W/L records in them?
Do they realize that the a SB win counts exactly the same in a W/L record as the 1st game to a season?
Which further defeats their original point? Lol.
Win or Lose,...getting to multiple SBs as a starting QB over & over is clear circumstantial evidence that you're probably doing something right.
This has ZERO to do with an ongoing regular season W/L tally.
You should probably read the thread first.
The original point was responding to the dislike of QBrec because this is a team sport. This same argument can apply to playoff win loss record for a QB, or QB SB win loss record, or QB SB win.
Jan 5, 2023 at 7:47 AM
- TheWooLick
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Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by Jeepzilla:Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by Jeepzilla:Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by boast:Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:This week was Brock's first noticeably less impressive games.
It's kind of funny though.. If you think about it. His worst start so far is one where, although he missed several guys and threw a pick, he still made some huge precision throws, scrambled out of pressure numerous times (he was pressured a lot), brought the team back from behind, drove the team down with just a minute left for a game winning field goal attempt, and ultimately won in a shootout where we almost put up 40 points -- something we rarely did these past few years.
And he's a seventh round rookie? Dang.
Is this a guy you can figure out? It seems like so far, the best you can do is hope to get pressure, which affects any QB, or bat balls down. He just seems to deliver in every other facet so far.
Pocket elusiveness/mobility
Quick release
Cool under defensive pressure
Calm in key situations
Adequate arm
Strong football IQ
Trusts his reads
Generally makes good decisions
Goes for the big play when available
Natural leader
Physically and mentally tough
Doesn't snowball after a mistake
High character player & humble
I have been cautiously optimistic and I'm still trying to keep some sense of that, although it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that the kid is checking off virtually every box there is for a franchise quarterback.
Next steps would be to be big time in big time games -- the playoffs.
1) How much of it do you equate to the super-offense he has with CMac here and Kittle now healthy? Jimmy looked pretty darn good in this CMac-infused offense as well,...the best he ever has, and that's without a training camp. So this obviously is an open-ended question. And the more important question @ hand with a guy like Purdy is....
2) As teams get more used to his game, is he already relatively close to his peak? Or does he have alot more room for growth?
youre always trying to attribute Purdy's success to others. lol. while Jimmy did look good, Purdy has elevated the offense by about 10 pts per game against better defenses.
Stop concerning yourself about what I'm personally doing when the entire post was about the potential of a rookie with a handful of starts. 49ers.
The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question.
Explain why you feel Purdy wouldn't improve?
WTF??? How did you come up with such lunacy? I asked a question and never suggested he can't improve.
Some guy's ceilings are higher than others. But please don't make up quotes that were never said or even suggested.
"The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question."
Yea, thanks for highlighting a quote because you clearly couldnt answer. But you realize that Purdy's name is not "rookie", for starters?
I was referring to "a rookie" in general terms, as in all rookies, 100% of them, and the potential they have to improve.
How is this in any way suggesting a specific player wont improve? You pulled that out of thin air.
This is the Purdy thread, everyone thinks you were talking about Purdy when you said it was fair to question a rookie's potential to improve.
Jan 5, 2023 at 8:06 AM
- libertyforever
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:And my point, when you know a QB is good, you don't need to bring up W/L record
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:lol BS ..thanks for the laugh
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up
Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.
QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?
His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.
How did we go from W/L records for average joes to multiple SB appearances and the W/L records in them?
Do they realize that the a SB win counts exactly the same in a W/L record as the 1st game to a season?
Which further defeats their original point? Lol.
Win or Lose,...getting to multiple SBs as a starting QB over & over is clear circumstantial evidence that you're probably doing something right.
This has ZERO to do with an ongoing regular season W/L tally.
You should probably read the thread first.
The original point was responding to the dislike of QBrec because this is a team sport. This same argument can apply to playoff win loss record for a QB, or QB SB win loss record, or QB SB win.
And my point is you just need to be consistent.
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:08 AM
- 49erFaithful6
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2022 Bomb Cyclone Brock - Stat Watch
66%
1196 yds
10 TD
4 INT
4-0
Projecting over a 17 game season.. these numbers look like this.
66%
4066 yds
34 TDs
14 INT
17-0
66%
1196 yds
10 TD
4 INT
4-0
Projecting over a 17 game season.. these numbers look like this.
66%
4066 yds
34 TDs
14 INT
17-0
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:12 AM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2022 Bomb Cyclone Brock - Stat Watch
66%
1196 yds
10 TD
4 INT
4-0
Projecting over a 17 game season.. these numbers look like this.
66%
4066 yds
34 TDs
14 INT
17-0
Put the w/l aside - cause 17-0 is obviously undefeated and unlikely. That would be an AMAZING rookie campaign.
next year - 40+ TDs 😏.
we should have essentially the same offensive talent next year - it's not crazy to think he will have 35-40 tds.
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:14 AM
- q0c0p
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Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:
Lightning in a bottle...
"The Magician
Or
"The Genius Kid"
We'll just stick with Big Chicken Brock
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:30 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by libertyforever:exactly, it's why it's not an official NFL stat
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:And my point, when you know a QB is good, you don't need to bring up W/L record
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:lol BS ..thanks for the laugh
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by libertyforever:was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up
Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.
QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?
His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.
How did we go from W/L records for average joes to multiple SB appearances and the W/L records in them?
Do they realize that the a SB win counts exactly the same in a W/L record as the 1st game to a season?
Which further defeats their original point? Lol.
Win or Lose,...getting to multiple SBs as a starting QB over & over is clear circumstantial evidence that you're probably doing something right.
This has ZERO to do with an ongoing regular season W/L tally.
You should probably read the thread first.
The original point was responding to the dislike of QBrec because this is a team sport. This same argument can apply to playoff win loss record for a QB, or QB SB win loss record, or QB SB win.
And my point is you just need to be consistent.
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:37 AM
- 49erKing
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Originally posted by q0c0p:
Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:
Lightning in a bottle...
"The Magician
Or
"The Genius Kid"
We'll just stick with Big Chicken Brock
Brock Rekknar
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:45 AM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by q0c0p:
Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:
Lightning in a bottle...
"The Magician
Or
"The Genius Kid"
We'll just stick with Big Chicken Brock
I call him Dirty Purdy. Haha that's my favorite one.
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:50 AM
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One of the things I really like a Purdy. It will be hard for NFL defense's to catch up to him because he doesn't have any quirky tendencies like only rolling to the right or throwing the ball directly to the other team when he's pressured.
I know that next year will be different then this year as there is always something that the NFL will find on a player to prevent him from doing his thing. However I think Brock doesn't offer up a lot of easy tendencies. He's just dropping back and doing his thing, and so far he isn't rattled by pressure.
I know that next year will be different then this year as there is always something that the NFL will find on a player to prevent him from doing his thing. However I think Brock doesn't offer up a lot of easy tendencies. He's just dropping back and doing his thing, and so far he isn't rattled by pressure.
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:54 AM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
One of the things I really like a Purdy. It will be hard for NFL defense's to catch up to him because he doesn't have any quirky tendencies like only rolling to the right or throwing the ball directly to the other team when he's pressured.
I know that next year will be different then this year as there is always something that the NFL will find on a player to prevent him from doing his thing. However I think Brock doesn't offer up a lot of easy tendencies. He's just dropping back and doing his thing, and so far he isn't rattled by pressure.
I agree. He makes it where the way to stop him? Is to outplay us on the play. He will make mistakes but he will learn from them - so I'm not too concerned with him making it over and over or it becoming a liability. He will adapt and adjust like he always has shown he can do
Jan 5, 2023 at 9:57 AM
- glorydayz
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
One of the things I really like a Purdy. It will be hard for NFL defense's to catch up to him because he doesn't have any quirky tendencies like only rolling to the right or throwing the ball directly to the other team when he's pressured.
I know that next year will be different then this year as there is always something that the NFL will find on a player to prevent him from doing his thing. However I think Brock doesn't offer up a lot of easy tendencies. He's just dropping back and doing his thing, and so far he isn't rattled by pressure.
I agree. He makes it where the way to stop him? Is to outplay us on the play. He will make mistakes but he will learn from them - so I'm not too concerned with him making it over and over or it becoming a liability. He will adapt and adjust like he always has shown he can do
That is who he was in college as well.
Jan 5, 2023 at 10:10 AM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
One of the things I really like a Purdy. It will be hard for NFL defense's to catch up to him because he doesn't have any quirky tendencies like only rolling to the right or throwing the ball directly to the other team when he's pressured.
I know that next year will be different then this year as there is always something that the NFL will find on a player to prevent him from doing his thing. However I think Brock doesn't offer up a lot of easy tendencies. He's just dropping back and doing his thing, and so far he isn't rattled by pressure.
I agree. He makes it where the way to stop him? Is to outplay us on the play. He will make mistakes but he will learn from them - so I'm not too concerned with him making it over and over or it becoming a liability. He will adapt and adjust like he always has shown he can do
That is who he was in college as well.
I think it's awesome that he is honest with himself about his weaknesses and works on them.
i always have liked and support Jimmy but it would drive me crazy how he seemed to always make the same type of mistakes over and over again. This year he wasn't doing that but previously.