QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Ball don't lie. I said what I said

Originally posted by genus49:

Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

Yes, Brock looked like crap in all bad weather games:
* the snow game in Buffalo on 12/1 because his arm was too weak to overcome the weather 94 yards only 10 points
* rain game at SF vs Rams on 12/12 he couldn't overcome weather only scored 6 points QBR 22
Many other games where he couldn't stretch the field so opposing teams stack the box against the run

Of course Montana and Young both had relatively weak arms and they did OK, because they had great timing, like hopefully Purdy does.
But Purdy definitely has arm limitations in weather and stretching the deep field

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

Yes, Brock looked like crap in all bad weather games:
* the snow game in Buffalo on 12/1 because his arm was too weak to overcome the weather 94 yards only 10 points
* rain game at SF vs Rams on 12/12 he couldn't overcome weather only scored 6 points QBR 22
Many other games where he couldn't stretch the field so opposing teams stack the box against the run

Of course Montana and Young both had relatively weak arms and they did OK, because they had great timing, like hopefully Purdy does.
But Purdy definitely has arm limitations in weather and stretching the deep field

What about the playoff game vs GB, pouring too, 252 yards 1 TD. vs Cleveland 125 yards 1 TD 1 INT, 49ers thanked Jake Moody for that loss.
And it's not like Josh Allen threw for that much more yards than Brock in that game. That game was a mess, it didn't seem like anyone wanted to play that day.

Again, it's not like Brock will be playing in 17 games of bad weather.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

Yes, Brock looked like crap in all bad weather games:
* the snow game in Buffalo on 12/1 because his arm was too weak to overcome the weather 94 yards only 10 points
* rain game at SF vs Rams on 12/12 he couldn't overcome weather only scored 6 points QBR 22
Many other games where he couldn't stretch the field so opposing teams stack the box against the run

Of course Montana and Young both had relatively weak arms and they did OK, because they had great timing, like hopefully Purdy does.
But Purdy definitely has arm limitations in weather and stretching the deep field

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
He doesn't have to play 17 games of bad weather but look at the future of the NFC as it stands. Where are playoff games likely to be played at the worst time of the year?

Philadelphia, Washington, Green Bay (which I'm not worried about). Is it assured with such a short list? Of course not, but when it's one and done and the difference between #6 and not is it a consideration? Yep

As for the Bills game you're leaving out some important stuff. Yes, Allen only threw for 50 more yards but he also threw for 2 tds to BPs 0, ran for another, and the D still had to worry about thr threat because his physical tools demand it. The Bills didn't have to do that which is why they shut us down entirely. This is what people mean when they say elite talent and i think we all know that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Correct. The precedent is there. We're in here acting like Brock had a horrible year and that's why he's not deserving of a big contract meanwhile two guys who haven't done as much who got big deals and nobody batted an eye at them getting that money.

2 guys that were 1st round picks and continued investments, as teams love to sell tickets and bring in viewers and revenue. One of the 2 was even the 1st overall pick.

Cool so you're confirming that if Brock was a 1st round pick putting up the same exact results there wouldn't be any concerns about paying him?

Teams sell a lot more tickets when they're winning games btw.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
Yes, Brock looked like crap in all bad weather games:
* the snow game in Buffalo on 12/1 because his arm was too weak to overcome the weather 94 yards only 10 points
* rain game at SF vs Rams on 12/12 he couldn't overcome weather only scored 6 points QBR 22
Many other games where he couldn't stretch the field so opposing teams stack the box against the run

Of course Montana and Young both had relatively weak arms and they did OK, because they had great timing, like hopefully Purdy does.
But Purdy definitely has arm limitations in weather and stretching the deep field

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet Jordan Love after being propped up as the next great QB(like we didn't hear this with Kap) and how did he look this season? I don't hear too many people saying he regressed or that contract was a mistake.

Yes Brock was a 7th round pick for a reason but our best QB was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Do we believe a couple of inches of height make that much of a difference? Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

I'll take Brock's anticipation and poise over Love's physical talent and his fadeaway throws into coverage.

Also like I said we don't do this for any other position. Nobody cares that Crosby was a 4th round pick, Kittle a 5th rounder, Sherman a 5th rounder(iirc)

Once they show themselves to be ballers nobody cares but with QBs that status is still brought up time and time again.

I think you're missing the point with the Love comparison. You can make a legitimate argument that Brock has been better than Love in every way: film review, production, statistical analysis, team success. If both of them hit the open market I don't think there's any question Love would generate more interest around the league.

First of all that's a hypothetical tho I don't know if I'd disagree.

Originally posted by JamesF:

What a potential Brock Purdy extension could actually look like.

FRAMEWORK
(5 Year Extension) $280,000,000 APY: $56,000,000
(Total Guarantees) $207,980,747
(Fully Guaranteed) $127,980,747
(Signing Bonus) $75,000,000
(Option Bonuses) [2026 - $25,000,000] [2027 - $25,000,000] [2029 - $40,000,000] [2030 - $40,000,000]

LAYOUT
(Year) Base Salary [Prorated Bonus] {Roster Bonus} [Workout Bonus] (Cap Hit)
(2025) $980,747 [$15,019,253] {$0} [$0] ($16,000,000)

(2026) $1,000,000 [$20,000,000] {$0} $[1,000,000] ($22,000,000)

(2027) $1.000.000 [$25,000,000] {$0} [$1,000,000] ($27,000,000)

(2028) $5,000,000 [$25,000,000] {$4,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($35,000,000)

(2029) $5,000,000 [$33,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($58,000,000)

(2030) $20,365,253 [$26,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($66,365,253)

(2031) VOID $21,000,000 VOID VOID ($21,000,000)

(2032) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2033) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2034) VOID $8,000,000 VOID VOID ($8,000,000)

This would give the 49ers and Brock Purdy the entirety of the 2028 regular season to guage mutual interest in another contract extension. While giving both parties mutliple paths forward.

If the 49ers expect Brock Purdy to sustain his level pf production into his early to mid 30's, they can convert his 2029 & 2030 Base Salaries, Roster Bonuses, and Workout Bonuses, into a Signing Bonus. Convert 2031 & 2032 into contract years with an extension, add an Option Bonus in 2032, and then be able to add 2 more void years in 2035 & 2036 to prorate the bonus.

Point being this contract would allow the 49ers to keep Brock Purdy through at least 2028 before his cap number would become prohibitive and they have to decide if he's worth extending, trying to get 1 more year out of their core, or trading him and the other older core players and getting a jumpstart on a quick rebuild.

Lastly, I have spent a bunch of time studying and researching everything I could find on contracts all over the internet. From there I started messing around on OverTheCap and coming up with a bunch of different contracts all that seemed great at the time. The more I studied other contracts and researched, the more complicated and complex I realized it was, and the more unrealistic I realized my contracts were. I finally think I am on the right path with this structure.

In now way shape or form do I consider myself an expert so if you see an error or something that's obviously wrong, please don't hesistate to let me know.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JamesF:

What a potential Brock Purdy extension could actually look like.

FRAMEWORK
(5 Year Extension) $280,000,000 APY: $56,000,000
(Total Guarantees) $207,980,747
(Fully Guaranteed) $127,980,747
(Signing Bonus) $75,000,000
(Option Bonuses) [2026 - $25,000,000] [2027 - $25,000,000] [2029 - $40,000,000] [2030 - $40,000,000]

LAYOUT
(Year) Base Salary [Prorated Bonus] {Roster Bonus} [Workout Bonus] (Cap Hit)
(2025) $980,747 [$15,019,253] {$0} [$0] ($16,000,000)

(2026) $1,000,000 [$20,000,000] {$0} $[1,000,000] ($22,000,000)

(2027) $1.000.000 [$25,000,000] {$0} [$1,000,000] ($27,000,000)

(2028) $5,000,000 [$25,000,000] {$4,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($35,000,000)

(2029) $5,000,000 [$33,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($58,000,000)

(2030) $20,365,253 [$26,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($66,365,253)

(2031) VOID $21,000,000 VOID VOID ($21,000,000)

(2032) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2033) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2034) VOID $8,000,000 VOID VOID ($8,000,000)

This would give the 49ers and Brock Purdy the entirety of the 2028 regular season to guage mutual interest in another contract extension. While giving both parties mutliple paths forward.

If the 49ers expect Brock Purdy to sustain his level pf production into his early to mid 30's, they can convert his 2029 & 2030 Base Salaries, Roster Bonuses, and Workout Bonuses, into a Signing Bonus. Convert 2031 & 2032 into contract years with an extension, add an Option Bonus in 2032, and then be able to add 2 more void years in 2035 & 2036 to prorate the bonus.

Point being this contract would allow the 49ers to keep Brock Purdy through at least 2028 before his cap number would become prohibitive and they have to decide if he's worth extending, trying to get 1 more year out of their core, or trading him and the other older core players and getting a jumpstart on a quick rebuild.

Lastly, I have spent a bunch of time studying and researching everything I could find on contracts all over the internet. From there I started messing around on OverTheCap and coming up with a bunch of different contracts all that seemed great at the time. The more I studied other contracts and researched, the more complicated and complex I realized it was, and the more unrealistic I realized my contracts were. I finally think I am on the right path with this structure.

In now way shape or form do I consider myself an expert so if you see an error or something that's obviously wrong, please don't hesistate to let me know.

Originally posted by JamesF:

What a potential Brock Purdy extension could actually look like.

FRAMEWORK
(5 Year Extension) $280,000,000 APY: $56,000,000
(Total Guarantees) $207,980,747
(Fully Guaranteed) $127,980,747
(Signing Bonus) $75,000,000
(Option Bonuses) [2026 - $25,000,000] [2027 - $25,000,000] [2029 - $40,000,000] [2030 - $40,000,000]

LAYOUT
(Year) Base Salary [Prorated Bonus] {Roster Bonus} [Workout Bonus] (Cap Hit)
(2025) $980,747 [$15,019,253] {$0} [$0] ($16,000,000)

(2026) $1,000,000 [$20,000,000] {$0} $[1,000,000] ($22,000,000)

(2027) $1.000.000 [$25,000,000] {$0} [$1,000,000] ($27,000,000)

(2028) $5,000,000 [$25,000,000] {$4,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($35,000,000)

(2029) $5,000,000 [$33,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($58,000,000)

(2030) $20,365,253 [$26,000,000] {$19,000,000} [$1,000,000] ($66,365,253)

(2031) VOID $21,000,000 VOID VOID ($21,000,000)

(2032) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2033) VOID $16,000,000 VOID VOID ($16,000,000)

(2034) VOID $8,000,000 VOID VOID ($8,000,000)

This would give the 49ers and Brock Purdy the entirety of the 2028 regular season to guage mutual interest in another contract extension. While giving both parties mutliple paths forward.

If the 49ers expect Brock Purdy to sustain his level pf production into his early to mid 30's, they can convert his 2029 & 2030 Base Salaries, Roster Bonuses, and Workout Bonuses, into a Signing Bonus. Convert 2031 & 2032 into contract years with an extension, add an Option Bonus in 2032, and then be able to add 2 more void years in 2035 & 2036 to prorate the bonus.

Point being this contract would allow the 49ers to keep Brock Purdy through at least 2028 before his cap number would become prohibitive and they have to decide if he's worth extending, trying to get 1 more year out of their core, or trading him and the other older core players and getting a jumpstart on a quick rebuild.

Lastly, I have spent a bunch of time studying and researching everything I could find on contracts all over the internet. From there I started messing around on OverTheCap and coming up with a bunch of different contracts all that seemed great at the time. The more I studied other contracts and researched, the more complicated and complex I realized it was, and the more unrealistic I realized my contracts were. I finally think I am on the right path with this structure.

In now way shape or form do I consider myself an expert so if you see an error or something that's obviously wrong, please don't hesistate to let me know.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
Yes, Brock looked like crap in all bad weather games:
* the snow game in Buffalo on 12/1 because his arm was too weak to overcome the weather 94 yards only 10 points
* rain game at SF vs Rams on 12/12 he couldn't overcome weather only scored 6 points QBR 22
Many other games where he couldn't stretch the field so opposing teams stack the box against the run

Of course Montana and Young both had relatively weak arms and they did OK, because they had great timing, like hopefully Purdy does.
But Purdy definitely has arm limitations in weather and stretching the deep field