QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We've gone over this before but brocks lack of arm (and rest assured he has a bottom 5 arm out of NFL starters) means he can't make as many footwork/anticipation errors as other QBs. Everything has to be perfect.

Aikman said it best in one of our games: yeah 49ers are moving the ball, but everything looks really difficult and the throws are contested every time. That's not only on Brock but his physical arm limitations make things more difficult

How? If you're talking about teams not worrying about the deep game that's on receivers and scheme. Brock showed in 2023 if he's got guys open deep he can hit them. Doesn't have to 50 yard down the field btw.

Yeah there may be times in a close window a guy with a big arm can rifle a ball in there and get the completion while Brock may see a pick or incompletion. Thing is when has that happened? And in those types of situations it's already more difficult since contested catches by name are just that.

And in general last year it was a grind on offense but it was more schematically, pass protection issues and receivers in and out of the lineup and inconsistent vs man. I just feel like a lot is being made about his arm without it being a big enough problem in games.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

Lmao you're kidding right?

Barkley was a stud RB prospect who was the Giants only weapon and was still having big seasons when healthy he goes to a team with one of the best OL in the game and plenty of weapons and you think he's only as good cuz of Jalen Hurts running ability???

Derrick Henry only good cuz of Lamar? The same Derrick Henry who ran for 2k yards with Ryan Tannehil as his QB?

Like what are we doing…

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

In 2023 CMC was OPOTY and probably should have been MVP. You're not giving Brock the same energy.

In his down year, we were 4th in total offense. 13th in scoring. Up to 11th with just adequate kicking from Moody. This with everything around him falling apart.

IMO Brock has proven to me he's a top 10 QB. He has proven he is a QB that can win a SB. It's his injury history that scares me from giving him the big bag.

I'm not a fan of next one up gets paid. In a perfect world our players wouldn't be greedy and leave some on the table for the next guys. Unfortunately, that'll never happen

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

Lmao you're kidding right?

Barkley was a stud RB prospect who was the Giants only weapon and was still having big seasons when healthy he goes to a team with one of the best OL in the game and plenty of weapons and you think he's only as good cuz of Jalen Hurts running ability???

Derrick Henry only good cuz of Lamar? The same Derrick Henry who ran for 2k yards with Ryan Tannehil as his QB?

Like what are we doing…

Come on bro, what would Frank Gore be without Alex Smith?

Originally posted by elguapo:
Or maybe our wrs were among THE WORST in the NFL at gaining separation. Purdy is easily a top 7-10 qb (1st in QBR in 2023 & 7th in 2024 with bad pass pro). But let's focus on arm strength Love is much worse of a passer and regressed, Stroud too. Lawrence, Goff and these other qbs don't have his accuracy or anticipation but the point is, Purdy deserves top 10 money. 50 or so mil per year is completely fair.

Oh that I agree with. Brock has earned his $$ and should be paid top 10 $$

I don't dislike Brock or think he sucks

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Or maybe our wrs were among THE WORST in the NFL at gaining separation. Purdy is easily a top 7-10 qb (1st in QBR in 2023 & 7th in 2024 with bad pass pro). But let's focus on arm strength Love is much worse of a passer and regressed, Stroud too. Lawrence, Goff and these other qbs don't have his accuracy or anticipation but the point is, Purdy deserves top 10 money. 50 or so mil per year is completely fair.

Oh that I agree with. Brock has earned his $$ and should be paid top 10 $$

I don't dislike Brock or think he sucks

I know that I was just speaking to the fact you mentioned when Troy Aikman said everything looks difficult that wasn't so much on Purdy. If you remember in the first five or six games of the season, he was making the hardest most difficult throws, and he was leading the NFL in that category until that point. That is simply astounding considering Brandon was in shambles, Deebo was playing like crap and no McCaffrey or Ricky not to mention very bad pass protection.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
If Jennings was putting up numbers relative to his peers, you would have a good point here. But he isnt, so you dont.

yeah because he plays on an offense with a ton of players and isn't getting peppered like some of his peers.

Back to what I said, just let Brock find his market. Just like LA did with Stafford and we did with Buck and BA. Why is that such a controversial thing?

if teams are lining up to give him $60m per then you have your market price and can either talk about trading or paying him.

Because what you are continuing to leave out of the equation is draft compensation. It wouldnt be as simple as a team just willing to pay him x dollars. Its a team willing to trade a lot of draft capital and pay him x dollars.

lol one thing doesn't cancel out the other.

What multiple teams are willing to allow Brock to account for in GTD money and Cap Space "is what it is." Giving up draft picks in exchange to have the rights to do so doesnt change that.

The point is, you guys are assuming that teams would be willing to pay as much if they had to give up multiple picks as they would be willing to pay if they could just sign him.

Hypothetical here....

Let's say I am willing to give Tee Higgins $30m a season as a free agent. I would NOT be willing to give Tee Higgins $30m a season if I had to give two 2nd round picks in trade compensation just to sign him.

I don't think thats some absurd belief to have. If I have to give up a lot to get the guy, im not wanting to pay him as much than I would be if I could just sign him.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.

And those "actual reasons" become completely irrelevant once the draft ends.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The point is, you guys are assuming that teams would be willing to pay as much if they had to give up multiple picks as they would be willing to pay if they could just sign him.

Hypothetical here....

Let's say I am willing to give Tee Higgins $30m a season as a free agent. I would NOT be willing to give Tee Higgins $30m a season if I had to give two 2nd round picks in trade compensation just to sign him.

I don't think thats some absurd belief to have. If I have to give up a lot to get the guy, im not wanting to pay him as much than I would be if I could just sign him.

Again, this works to the team's advantage in negotiation. If there's a stalemate in negotiation and he can't get significantly better offers because teams would have to offer draft compensation as well as salary, that is a good thing for our team.

I don't begrudge any player for trying to maximize their worth, but ultimately I'm rooting for the team and not the player's wallet.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And those "actual reasons" become completely irrelevant once the draft ends.

They don't though. They are completely relevant in contract extension and free agent negotiations. Perceived potential is important, lol.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely absurd.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And those "actual reasons" become completely irrelevant once the draft ends.

They don't though. They are completely relevant in contract extension and free agent negotiations. Perceived potential is important, lol.

Why aren't teams lining up to sign Trey Lance then? The "actual reasons" he was drafted is because he is big, fast, and has a very strong arm. Teams don't want him because his on field performance has been poor.

Production matters.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why aren't teams lining up to sign Trey Lance then? The "actual reasons" he was drafted is because he is big, fast, and has a very strong arm. Teams don't want him because his on field performance has been poor.

Production matters.

Look at the post of mine you quoted again:

'He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.'

Has Trey Lance done that? No he hasn't. He's also not remotely as talented as people who were high on him thought he was.

Understanding that talent and perceived potential is a factor in a player's market value doesn't mean it's the only factor.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why aren't teams lining up to sign Trey Lance then? The "actual reasons" he was drafted is because he is big, fast, and has a very strong arm. Teams don't want him because his on field performance has been poor.

Production matters.

Look at the post of mine you quoted again:

'He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.'

Has Trey Lance done that? No he hasn't. He's also not remotely as talented as people who were high on him thought he was.

Understanding that talent and perceived potential is a factor in a player's market value doesn't mean it's the only factor.

I agree with this. The older the player in question get though the less the prototypical stats matter.

Everybody wants cam newton with Brady's brain but that in reality does not happen.

With them both being young and about the same point in their careers one could argue love has a higher physical ceiling right now.

I don't think it's that big a difference though. If we're talking hypotheticals I bet if they were both available and a bunch of teams needed a QB they would get within 10 million AAV of each other today...

Ball don't lie. I said what I said