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Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Still no ALL-22 footage?
I know Jonny will have his breakdown soon.. but was hoping images would have popped up already on Twitter to show what Purdy was seeing out there.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Meh, Baldy's "breakdowns"..I don't learn s**t from them, and take away nothing from them, to be frank. I can go on NFL+ and watch the game again and learn just as much lol. Del's are much better. 👍
Basically, 9ers got outcoached/outplayed In every facet of the game.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:Agree💯%.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:I think BA is the closest thing to a Jerry Rice - a pure pass catching WR - that we have, that can generate those kinds of comebacks. Deebo is a RB/WR - but he's not known as a burner that can burn you deep the way Jerry could. Deebo's similar to CMC that way. They are runners and YAC monsters, but they aren't going to burn a defense deep because of their speed or their route running.
Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, at some point, if we are to come back from a deficit, the defense has to get the ball back so we can attempt to come back. That is a "duh" moment. (no offense)
The question is, assuming the defense can get a couple of stops, can this KS offense, with Purdy and the most productive set of pass catchers in the league, come back to win?
Or, more specifically, why can it not?
I posted an answer to this, it's not the most productive set of pass catchers, unless you are looking with a certain lens, at maybe per play metrics. Hard to say our pass catchers exceed what MIA, MIN, heck LV, or a lot of others can do. SEA has 3 elite receivers. Rams have elite WRs. We have complete players, and factors in the run game. Being a factor in the run game, is a KS requisite. PIT has a couple high end receivers, who made headlines for refusing to block.
BA to me is a complete receiver, can get separation, and can block. Deebo isn't a route runner in my book, he doesn't separate like BA. He's a bit of a wildcard, and a times, RB. Kittle is a complete TE, but a lot of his receiving work you can find around the league. His value he's insanely gritty, and a warrior in the run game, as well as a respected leader in the LR. I wouldn't at all say that we have the best pass down players in the game, far from it. We do have the best run down players in the game. Who wants to be on the receiving end of Trent, Kittle, BA, Deebo, all coming at you as run blockers? It's only when that run game is cooking that we can take advantage of how it distorts defenses to give the efficiency numbers that you are talking about, in the per play pass metrics.
I also agree that a defense has to generate stops to create a comeback opportunity, in addition to the OLine pass blocking to create those deep passing shots to make those quarterback come from behind plays possible.
It is an interesting convo, if you look at some of those great comebacks, it's just drop the QB back every play. For an example when TB12 came back vs SF in 2012, from a 28 point deficit, he threw 65 times. NE ran 94 plays. Similar numbers in the SB vs ATL. So you gotta be able to drop the QB back every play with success, you can do that to the extent you are built around the pass.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Meh, Baldy's "breakdowns"..I don't learn s**t from them, and take away nothing from them, to be frank. I can go on NFL+ and watch the game again and learn just as much lol. Del's are much better. 👍
Basically, 9ers got outcoached/outplayed In every facet of the game.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Meh, Baldy's "breakdowns"..I don't learn s**t from them, and take away nothing from them, to be frank. I can go on NFL+ and watch the game again and learn just as much lol. Del's are much better. 👍
Basically, 9ers got outcoached/outplayed In every facet of the game.
Overconfidence, I think, was a factor, as well as all the MVP talk.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:Agree💯%.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:I think BA is the closest thing to a Jerry Rice - a pure pass catching WR - that we have, that can generate those kinds of comebacks. Deebo is a RB/WR - but he's not known as a burner that can burn you deep the way Jerry could. Deebo's similar to CMC that way. They are runners and YAC monsters, but they aren't going to burn a defense deep because of their speed or their route running.
Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, at some point, if we are to come back from a deficit, the defense has to get the ball back so we can attempt to come back. That is a "duh" moment. (no offense)
The question is, assuming the defense can get a couple of stops, can this KS offense, with Purdy and the most productive set of pass catchers in the league, come back to win?
Or, more specifically, why can it not?
I posted an answer to this, it's not the most productive set of pass catchers, unless you are looking with a certain lens, at maybe per play metrics. Hard to say our pass catchers exceed what MIA, MIN, heck LV, or a lot of others can do. SEA has 3 elite receivers. Rams have elite WRs. We have complete players, and factors in the run game. Being a factor in the run game, is a KS requisite. PIT has a couple high end receivers, who made headlines for refusing to block.
BA to me is a complete receiver, can get separation, and can block. Deebo isn't a route runner in my book, he doesn't separate like BA. He's a bit of a wildcard, and a times, RB. Kittle is a complete TE, but a lot of his receiving work you can find around the league. His value he's insanely gritty, and a warrior in the run game, as well as a respected leader in the LR. I wouldn't at all say that we have the best pass down players in the game, far from it. We do have the best run down players in the game. Who wants to be on the receiving end of Trent, Kittle, BA, Deebo, all coming at you as run blockers? It's only when that run game is cooking that we can take advantage of how it distorts defenses to give the efficiency numbers that you are talking about, in the per play pass metrics.
I also agree that a defense has to generate stops to create a comeback opportunity, in addition to the OLine pass blocking to create those deep passing shots to make those quarterback come from behind plays possible.
It is an interesting convo, if you look at some of those great comebacks, it's just drop the QB back every play. For an example when TB12 came back vs SF in 2012, from a 28 point deficit, he threw 65 times. NE ran 94 plays. Similar numbers in the SB vs ATL. So you gotta be able to drop the QB back every play with success, you can do that to the extent you are built around the pass.
Currently, the only places to upgrade this offense is right tackle and right guard. Center is good and the left side is solid. I think Trent and Banks are big enough and strong enough to anchor in pass protection. I think this offense is already so high powered, and generational, with CMC, Purdy, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo. Not much to improve on that side of the equation. Clearly the OLine improvement is the next key to level up this offense. If they can get some bigger and more powerful players on the right side that can anchor against a heavy pass rush, those come from behind victories may be generated much more often. IMO.
Gronk on Micah's Parsons' tweet about Brock Purdy:
— KNBR (@KNBR) December 27, 2023
"It's really weird...There's a saying: 'Losers focus on winners, and winners focus on winning.'
"He's tweeting that about a team that absolutely dismantled the Cowboys when they played them this year."pic.twitter.com/AQHXMQO78H
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Meh, Baldy's "breakdowns"..I don't learn s**t from them, and take away nothing from them, to be frank. I can go on NFL+ and watch the game again and learn just as much lol. Del's are much better. 👍
Basically, 9ers got outcoached/outplayed In every facet of the game.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gronk on Micah's Parsons' tweet about Brock Purdy:
— KNBR (@KNBR) December 27, 2023
"It's really weird...There's a saying: 'Losers focus on winners, and winners focus on winning.'
"He's tweeting that about a team that absolutely dismantled the Cowboys when they played them this year."pic.twitter.com/AQHXMQO78H
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Still no ALL-22 footage?
I know Jonny will have his breakdown soon.. but was hoping images would have popped up already on Twitter to show what Purdy was seeing out there.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Good read.
https://theathletic.com/5161135/2023/12/27/nfl-week-16-results-scores-coaching-decisions/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Ravens defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald didn't have their linebackers mug as much as they usually do and brought pressure from the edges. The Ravens didn't want to make it easy for the 49ers to gash them in the middle of the field with hot throws. On the third play of the game, they had linebacker Roquan Smith mug the line and blitz and they got burned for a 58-yard pass to George Kittle. After that play, MacDonald seemed to adjust and went away from their usual style of play.
Stephens described Purdy as a "spot thrower" and said that they just needed to be in the spots that he likes to throw to based on film. I believe he means that Purdy is an anticipation thrower and he's going to throw with anticipation into windows that he believes will open based on the coverage. Though Macdonald deserves a lot of credit for his play calling, he had the Ravens prepared to capitalize on Purdy's tendencies.
The 49ers line up in a lot of compressed formations, which shortens the distance that corners have to travel for blitzes. This was actually a pretty impressive read by Purdy to see the blitz coming. The free safety only slightly moved outside to get on top of Deebo Samuel (top of the screen) right before the snap. The play call was a run but Purdy saw the blitz coming and wanted to throw a "now" route to Samuel.
"If he realizes it's a corner blitz, I know the quarterback is going to go to a 'now' with no one being outside," Stephens said. "I just timed up the jump and gave our guy Marlo a chance to make a play on the ball."
Technically, Purdy made the right read and play but Stephens did a great job of tipping the pass and Humphrey, who was blitzing from the other side, made a play on the ball.
Originally posted by ubaisore:
100% right by Gronk. Parsons needs to stop.....but i guess he will just keep giving that motivational talk to our team
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gronk on Micah's Parsons' tweet about Brock Purdy:
— KNBR (@KNBR) December 27, 2023
"It's really weird...There's a saying: 'Losers focus on winners, and winners focus on winning.'
"He's tweeting that about a team that absolutely dismantled the Cowboys when they played them this year."pic.twitter.com/AQHXMQO78H
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