QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just want to throw out a question. Most football people think the Niners have the best roster not only for the starters but also in depth. They often point out that they have a starting QB performing at a high level that's not being paid much which allows them to sign or keep players like Bosa, Willams, CMC and Deebo that might be gone if they were paying the QB $35-40 mil per year.

The Niners have Brock for 2 more seasons at a low rate. If he continues to play well I assume they'll try and resign him but what if they elect to go with another young player so they can keep all the talent around him. Other teams will try and copy this if it works out long term. The days of looking for a QB that can lead the team for 15-20 seasons may be over because of the crazy high salaries they are demanding. No QB can win without tlented supporting players both on offense and defense.

Look at Mahomes this year. As good as he is he has no receivers worth a damn. Kelce isn't playing as well and the WRs are dropping as many as they catch. Herbert has no running game and one WR. The results have been so-so. Then you look at Miami that's loaded at every position on offense and Tua is having a good year. Before they got Hill and Achane the only real threat was waddle. Now they look like the Niners with all their weapons.

It's going to be interesting to see how many teams stay with their high paid QBs if they don't win. I know the chances of finding another Purdy so late in the draft are slim but even a first round QB is going to be cheap compared to a guy like Rodgers or Stafford. The Chiefs have 29% of their payroll tied up with Mahomes ($37 mil and Chris Jones at $27 mil). It's hard to build or sustain a team when that much is tied up in your QB and a DT.

You mean, hypothetically, move on from Purdy at the end of his deal and just find another QB, just so we can keep all our stars?
I see the reasoning. The Seahawks were always contenders during the Russell Wilson years, but just didn't have as complete a roster when he signed his mega deal.

But the thing is... eventually we'll need to move on from CMC, Deebo, Kittle, etc., depending on how well they age and what their contract demands are. When it comes to Purdy's re-signing, we're going to look at a player we want to have in the building for the next couple years, and then the older stars will eventually leave the team. No guarantee that we can retain/replace weapons on offense either, but we'll still have Purdy.

And simply put... it's hard enough to find a QB. This organization invested 3 first rounders to try and find a franchise QB, and were fortunate we found one with the last pick in the draft the following year. Maybe we can find a young QB at a bargain, but we're seeing that there's a difference between a mid-tier QB and a SPECIAL QB like Brock Purdy.

I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to replace.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just want to throw out a question. Most football people think the Niners have the best roster not only for the starters but also in depth. They often point out that they have a starting QB performing at a high level that's not being paid much which allows them to sign or keep players like Bosa, Willams, CMC and Deebo that might be gone if they were paying the QB $35-40 mil per year.

The Niners have Brock for 2 more seasons at a low rate. If he continues to play well I assume they'll try and resign him but what if they elect to go with another young player so they can keep all the talent around him. Other teams will try and copy this if it works out long term. The days of looking for a QB that can lead the team for 15-20 seasons may be over because of the crazy high salaries they are demanding. No QB can win without tlented supporting players both on offense and defense.

Look at Mahomes this year. As good as he is he has no receivers worth a damn. Kelce isn't playing as well and the WRs are dropping as many as they catch. Herbert has no running game and one WR. The results have been so-so. Then you look at Miami that's loaded at every position on offense and Tua is having a good year. Before they got Hill and Achane the only real threat was waddle. Now they look like the Niners with all their weapons.

It's going to be interesting to see how many teams stay with their high paid QBs if they don't win. I know the chances of finding another Purdy so late in the draft are slim but even a first round QB is going to be cheap compared to a guy like Rodgers or Stafford. The Chiefs have 29% of their payroll tied up with Mahomes ($37 mil and Chris Jones at $27 mil). It's hard to build or sustain a team when that much is tied up in your QB and a DT.

It's a real question that teams have to ask themselves when it's time to pay their FQB. The lesson is they must be sure the QB is actually good and not make mistakes like signing Daniel Jones, Hurts, Tannehill to contracts they don't deserve. It's also not easy to build a roster that has premier players at WR, TE, and RB, and all the defensive positions like what the 49ers have, and you can make an argument that it's harder to do that since there are so many positions that you have to hit on simultaneously so they are all on the roster, in or near their prime. That's why securing the true FQB is so important towards longevity and consistency.

Mahomes is an example of signing a big contract then struggling to fill out the roster, but imo, KC has done the hard part, which is find the FQB. Now they need to draft better to give Mahomes support. The flip side is something like PIT, a team with a good roster but the QBs are terrible. There's some stat out there where if a team is devoting 25% of the cap to a QB, only one team has won the SB (Brees?). Maybe it was Brady. Something like that.

Pittsburghs roster is terribly overrated to go along with bad QB play.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Pittsburghs roster is terribly overrated to go along with bad QB play.

thing about PIT, they have WRs who don't do anything they stand there and don't block, it's egregious
and they put up with it
that kinda stuff on film, into the doghouse you go, you can play maybe next month, now that's the way it's done, the KS way

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to replace.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

Oh, gotcha.
All teams are aware of the benefits of having a QB on a rookie (or cheap) contract, so that they can afford a well-balanced, championship-level roster. The Russell Wilson Seahawks was the example I had, and you explained the issues plaguing the Chiefs right now. The 49ers were talking about it quite a bit when we drafted Trey Lance. We don't see this discussion come into play too much though, because a lot of teams just can't build a good roster and/or find a good QB.

But I think where it becomes an interesting discussion, when teams have to re-sign guys:
--- If you're a team like the Chiefs, you just... HAVE to extend Patrick Mahomes to a colossal megadeal. He's put up prolific numbers, and I believe, at the time of his contract extension, he just beat us to win the Super Bowl. That's a guy you HAVE to pay, and you figure out the details later. There's a hope that maybe he'll take a discount, like Tom Brady, so that you can squeeze in one or two more quality players onto your roster.

--- But when it comes to extending guys like... Daniel Jones. Or Dak Prescott... or Jimmy Garoppolo. Those aren't guys that I think are worth paying $30, $40million a year. In the case of the Giants last year, yes, Daniel Jones had a good year, but I don't think he was worthy of that contract, and we're seeing what we're seeing this year when the Giants fell back to earth.

Same thing with the Cowboys. Yes, Dak's having a great year this year and looks great every year in the regular season, but I fully expect the Cowboys to get bounced in the Divisional Round, because they paid Dak to be a superstar QB, but he can't be a superstar QB in the playoffs.

Originally posted by tankle104:

CMC sticks with it for his second TD of the day 😤 pic.twitter.com/0v4OJ4KMzY

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) December 17, 2023

lmao watch Brendel - he got beat and then just walks away looking away from everyone. Wtf is he doing? Lmao

Looking to see if the ref threw a flag on him

Originally posted by thl408:
ARI threw some weird coverage looks at Brock all throughout the game. Didn't affect him at all. On one play they rushed two and dropped nine into coverage.

I've never seen that 5-1-5 before, and I've been watching football for 44 years. What did you think of that formation?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I've never seen that 5-1-5 before, and I've been watching football for 44 years. What did you think of that formation?

Gannon is a Madden player.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just want to throw out a question. Most football people think the Niners have the best roster not only for the starters but also in depth. They often point out that they have a starting QB performing at a high level that's not being paid much which allows them to sign or keep players like Bosa, Willams, CMC and Deebo that might be gone if they were paying the QB $35-40 mil per year.

The Niners have Brock for 2 more seasons at a low rate. If he continues to play well I assume they'll try and resign him but what if they elect to go with another young player so they can keep all the talent around him. Other teams will try and copy this if it works out long term. The days of looking for a QB that can lead the team for 15-20 seasons may be over because of the crazy high salaries they are demanding. No QB can win without tlented supporting players both on offense and defense.

Look at Mahomes this year. As good as he is he has no receivers worth a damn. Kelce isn't playing as well and the WRs are dropping as many as they catch. Herbert has no running game and one WR. The results have been so-so. Then you look at Miami that's loaded at every position on offense and Tua is having a good year. Before they got Hill and Achane the only real threat was waddle. Now they look like the Niners with all their weapons.

It's going to be interesting to see how many teams stay with their high paid QBs if they don't win. I know the chances of finding another Purdy so late in the draft are slim but even a first round QB is going to be cheap compared to a guy like Rodgers or Stafford. The Chiefs have 29% of their payroll tied up with Mahomes ($37 mil and Chris Jones at $27 mil). It's hard to build or sustain a team when that much is tied up in your QB and a DT.

You mean, hypothetically, move on from Purdy at the end of his deal and just find another QB, just so we can keep all our stars?
I see the reasoning. The Seahawks were always contenders during the Russell Wilson years, but just didn't have as complete a roster when he signed his mega deal.

But the thing is... eventually we'll need to move on from CMC, Deebo, Kittle, etc., depending on how well they age and what their contract demands are. When it comes to Purdy's re-signing, we're going to look at a player we want to have in the building for the next couple years, and then the older stars will eventually leave the team. No guarantee that we can retain/replace weapons on offense either, but we'll still have Purdy.

And simply put... it's hard enough to find a QB. This organization invested 3 first rounders to try and find a franchise QB, and were fortunate we found one with the last pick in the draft the following year. Maybe we can find a young QB at a bargain, but we're seeing that there's a difference between a mid-tier QB and a SPECIAL QB like Brock Purdy.

Purdy will be a 49er for life.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I've never seen that 5-1-5 before, and I've been watching football for 44 years. What did you think of that formation?

Nickel bear front is common. IMO, the weird thing AZ was doing were the pre-snap looks.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Pittsburghs roster is terribly overrated to go along with bad QB play.

thing about PIT, they have WRs who don't do anything they stand there and don't block, it's egregious
and they put up with it
that kinda stuff on film, into the doghouse you go, you can play maybe next month, now that's the way it's done, the KS way

Yep Tomlin invites them over for Thanksgiving dinner lol

Found this on twitter.

Originally posted by krizay:
I hope all of the physical traits posters on this board realize that for the past few years they sounded just like some of these idiots who continue to discredit Purdy.

The size queens are hilarious. What you have between your ears is more important to being a good qb than being able to thrown the ball more than 45-50 yards.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I've never seen that 5-1-5 before, and I've been watching football for 44 years. What did you think of that formation?

Nickel bear front is common. IMO, the weird thing AZ was doing were the pre-snap looks.

Yeah the zone blitzes they were doing, showing blitz with the safety, pulling him out, that stuff was pretty advanced. And it didn't even remotely phase Brock.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Found this on twitter.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to re

place.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

Oh, we'll sign him, and it won't depend on how much he wants or how many players they need to sign. Many teams invest way too much in their quarterback, because "you gotta have a quarterback to win the SB". We did that, twice. Once making Jimmy the highest paid player in the league on a long term contract, when he clearly had holes in his game with anticipation and deep balls, making him defensible. And again with Trey, investing way too much draft capital reaching for a low percentage prospect.

Not many coachs can fully benefit by having a quarterback that can keep up with them mentally, perhaps at the expense of "traits", if that coach is himself not an innovator. Best stick with Kap if you're Harbaugh.

Here's what you've got to do. Hire a smart innovative offensive HC. Find a smart quarterback that can demonstrate that ability against NFL defenses, with enough physicallity to do it all. Defenses can stop Anything, but they can't stop Everything, so you must be able to do it all. These guys might be Mr. irrelevant or even on somebody's practice squad that just never get a chance because he's not 6'4" like the guy in front of him. Pay him the going rate and lock him down when you must. Now for roster talent, you do need some stars. After that, you need good depth. You can't pay everybody star money, so you must turn some of those guys into rookie draft picks, and have a great GM with the organization to hit on many later round picks. If your offense is different from what everybody else is doing, e.g., needing smart mobile OL men, or RB's with vision to anticipate cut back lanes before they are there, you might look awfully good without your top picks. Use your high picks on the big fast athletic guys on the DL that are rare in the population. There are millions of us little guys, so the pool for DB's is huge, and even to some extent WR's.

Here's the bottom line. If you want a top quarterback and other stars, you need a higher percent of your team on rookie deals. Keep shuffling those coordinators and over priced players off and keep those draft picks rolling in. If you're a winning organization, everybody will be lining up to be your coordinator, back up quarterback, and everything else. The ultimate bottom line is be smarter than the other guys.