QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

well Trey definitely possesses the physical tools to be compared to Allen. both players are big, athletic, mobile QBs with canons who struggled with accuracy in college. the difference there is BUF had the time to develop Allen over years without any lost time due to injury. if you look at Josh's second year numbers, it's not hard to imagine Trey having similar numbers in 2022.

every single draft pick has the potential to be great or a bust but most of the time circumstances affect a player's potential more than anything (e.g. get drafted by a poorly run team, injury, etc) i think Trey's been a victim of circumstance more than anything.

and your comments on trade value are pure conjecture. you have zero insight on any offers the team may have received.

i think Brock's play last year showed that he's already developed enough to guide the team on a deep title run. again, not Lance's fault. #planschange

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:

You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

Kyle said at the end of the season that he fully believed Trey "would've had a hell of a year" if he hadn't gotten hurt. Even more recently, he said Trey "was having a hell of a camp" last year too.

He had one game really last and while it wasn't good, it was more of an outlier compared to what he was flashing as a rookie.

I don't think poor performance is the right term, but more lack of performance. Maybe lacking some confidence in durability would be more the term, just IMO at least. He wasn't healthy long enough to prove his development over the season last year, but despite the season ending injury, came to camp as improved as he possibly could be in a number of ways.

His teammates say he's oozing confidence running the offense, his coaches say his mechanical improvements are showing up big-time, and a multitude of reporters have said he was getting the ball out faster than anyone in camp, including Brock. That last bit honestly surprised me but that's significant in a good way.

All of that, paired with his body of work as a rookie, I feel like is good evidence that team really hasn't lost confidence in his ability to succeed, but I could definitely see the argument for losing confidence in his ability to stay healthy (like what happened with Jimmy).

His trade value now has to do with a) those durability concerns, and b) his lack of experience and simply not enough recent game film to go off. He could an playing like his draft slot in practice and it wouldn't help us at all because no one outside of the organization has been able to see that in the regular season over an extended period.

It is what it is right now.

Odds to start

Purdy -500

Lance +300

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Odds to start

Purdy -500

Lance +300

Where are you getting the lines?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Odds to start

Purdy -500

Lance +300

Where are you getting the lines?

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-regular-season/position-qb-battles

Brock fans. This is try way I see it. Brock came in as a 4 year starter at a D1 and he had been through the fire and came from a pro sports household. He was underrated and came in hungry with a chip on his shoulder as the last pick and he has worked himself into QB1. I believe his skill set is traditional and that what is between his ears from what he has seen and experienced is near peak capacity expectations. I expect Brock to play like a guy that is in his third year starting this year. If Brock wins it all the will be his team BUT if he does not then he will be competing for QB1 with Trey next offseason.

My reason in saying is because I believe Brock is what you see is what you get just as Walsh said about Jeff Garcia. Brock will play excellent ball this year and better than last year but if he can not beat Hurts and Mahomes we will know what his limitations are while not yet knowing Trey's. The heat is on Brock to deliver right now this season or else we are back to Jimmy G. I believe Brock with this team can do better than Jimmy did but now is the time to prove it.

If we find that Kyle can not scheme up an offense to keep up with superstar talent in Mahomes then egg is on his face yet again in thinking that his smarts can trump real tangible talents. I knew we should have drafted Mahomes when we let Kap walk because I never liked Cousins and I knew Hoyer was a damn joke. When we got smoked by Mahomes I had to concede that we needed a stud at QB so now Brock has earned the right to show he is and if he can't win this year with this team then I am tired of playing games with intangibles.

I just want to win this year so right now my trust is in Kyle with Brock as QB1

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Odds to start

Purdy -500

Lance +300

Shanahan is a type A against the grain guy. He likes to surprise people. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a fast one and names Lance the starter pulling the rug from under everyone's feet. Just because he can and likes chaos

Originally posted by tankle104:
Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

We all expected Lance to be this super sharp.... smart..... dude, then we go into year two and lance is not even running the normal 49ers offense..... to kind of top it off....we get that....I will not never draft someone with such a low amount of experience again.... message from Shanny

Most people would put two and two together and come to the realization, Trey was probably not ready in year 2 to run the normal offense......

I think its fair to say Trey was not the player they envisioned him to be by year 2....I suspect they did loose some confidence in how he could effect the game as the starting QB last year.

Originally posted by boast:
https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-regular-season/position-qb-battles

Gracias, my friend.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

Kyle said at the end of the season that he fully believed Trey "would've had a hell of a year" if he hadn't gotten hurt. Even more recently, he said Trey "was having a hell of a camp" last year too.

He had one game really last and while it wasn't good, it was more of an outlier compared to what he was flashing as a rookie.

I don't think poor performance is the right term, but more lack of performance. Maybe lacking some confidence in durability would be more the term, just IMO at least. He wasn't healthy long enough to prove his development over the season last year, but despite the season ending injury, came to camp as improved as he possibly could be in a number of ways.

His teammates say he's oozing confidence running the offense, his coaches say his mechanical improvements are showing up big-time, and a multitude of reporters have said he was getting the ball out faster than anyone in camp, including Brock. That last bit honestly surprised me but that's significant in a good way.

All of that, paired with his body of work as a rookie, I feel like is good evidence that team really hasn't lost confidence in his ability to succeed, but I could definitely see the argument for losing confidence in his ability to stay healthy (like what happened with Jimmy).

His trade value now has to do with a) those durability concerns, and b) his lack of experience and simply not enough recent game film to go off. He could an playing like his draft slot in practice and it wouldn't help us at all because no one outside of the organization has been able to see that in the regular season over an extended period.

It is what it is right now.

When I say "lost confidence" in Trey, I think people are taking that to the extreme. I 100% believe they think Trey can be a good quality qb, even above average QB. The dak prescotf range. So I'm not saying he can't play or they think he is a bust, that's not it.

i think they genuinely believe Brock can play at a higher level than Lance can. Now we won't know if that's true or not until later on, but if they really thought Lance could play on par with the best QBs in the league - they'd make the sacrifice of getting him playing time and develop him, IMO. Anyone in their right mind would.

It just doesn't make any sense to me for him to be the backup if they thought he could be a top tier QB and all he needs is experience, I imagine you'd at least make it a competition. I view Lance as a high end game manager, not a field general.

i may be wrong, and I'd be happy to be wrong, but based on all the actions by the team - that's my take. Cause idc what Kyle says a Lance had a really poor training camp last year. All the reporters said he looked similar to how he looked in the bears game, inefficient and inaccurate. Very sporadic. When I listen to Griese, Kyle, or John - they just say he has improved, but what does that mean? Just his mechanics? No one has said he's executing the offense great or anything like that, just that he's worked hard and improved. Seeing as now he didn't look good last year (widely reported) - it doesn't really mean much.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Brock fans. This is try way I see it. Brock came in as a 4 year starter at a D1 and he had been through the fire and came from a pro sports household. He was underrated and came in hungry with a chip on his shoulder as the last pick and he has worked himself into QB1. I believe his skill set is traditional and that what is between his ears from what he has seen and experienced is near peak capacity expectations. I expect Brock to play like a guy that is in his third year starting this year. If Brock wins it all the will be his team BUT if he does not then he will be competing for QB1 with Trey next offseason.

My reason in saying is because I believe Brock is what you see is what you get just as Walsh said about Jeff Garcia. Brock will play excellent ball this year and better than last year but if he can not beat Hurts and Mahomes we will know what his limitations are while not yet knowing Trey's. The heat is on Brock to deliver right now this season or else we are back to Jimmy G. I believe Brock with this team can do better than Jimmy did but now is the time to prove it.

If we find that Kyle can not scheme up an offense to keep up with superstar talent in Mahomes then egg is on his face yet again in thinking that his smarts can trump real tangible talents. I knew we should have drafted Mahomes when we let Kap walk because I never liked Cousins and I knew Hoyer was a damn joke. When we got smoked by Mahomes I had to concede that we needed a stud at QB so now Brock has earned the right to show he is and if he can't win this year with this team then I am tired of playing games with intangibles.

I just want to win this year so right now my trust is in Kyle with Brock as QB1

Great post. I am more skeptical, more so based on what we have seen in recent years. Prove my skepticism wrong and I will be a believer. If not, best believe Trey better get his crack at this next year. Tired of seeing our team get beat out because we have had inferior talent at the QB position.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:

You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

Kyle said at the end of the season that he fully believed Trey "would've had a hell of a year" if he hadn't gotten hurt. Even more recently, he said Trey "was having a hell of a camp" last year too.

He had one game really last and while it wasn't good, it was more of an outlier compared to what he was flashing as a rookie.

I don't think poor performance is the right term, but more lack of performance. Maybe lacking some confidence in durability would be more the term, just IMO at least. He wasn't healthy long enough to prove his development over the season last year, but despite the season ending injury, came to camp as improved as he possibly could be in a number of ways.

His teammates say he's oozing confidence running the offense, his coaches say his mechanical improvements are showing up big-time, and a multitude of reporters have said he was getting the ball out faster than anyone in camp, including Brock. That last bit honestly surprised me but that's significant in a good way.

All of that, paired with his body of work as a rookie, I feel like is good evidence that team really hasn't lost confidence in his ability to succeed, but I could definitely see the argument for losing confidence in his ability to stay healthy (like what happened with Jimmy).

His trade value now has to do with a) those durability concerns, and b) his lack of experience and simply not enough recent game film to go off. He could an playing like his draft slot in practice and it wouldn't help us at all because no one outside of the organization has been able to see that in the regular season over an extended period.

It is what it is right now.

When I say "lost confidence" in Trey, I think people are taking that to the extreme. I 100% believe they think Trey can be a good quality qb, even above average QB. The dak prescotf range. So I'm not saying he can't play or they think he is a bust, that's not it.

i think they genuinely believe Brock can play at a higher level than Lance can. Now we won't know if that's true or not until later on, but if they really thought Lance could play on par with the best QBs in the league - they'd make the sacrifice of getting him playing time and develop him, IMO. Anyone in their right mind would.

It just doesn't make any sense to me for him to be the backup if they thought he could be a top tier QB and all he needs is experience, I imagine you'd at least make it a competition. I view Lance as a high end game manager, not a field general.

i may be wrong, and I'd be happy to be wrong, but based on all the actions by the team - that's my take. Cause idc what Kyle says a Lance had a really poor training camp last year. All the reporters said he looked similar to how he looked in the bears game, inefficient and inaccurate. Very sporadic. When I listen to Griese, Kyle, or John - they just say he has improved, but what does that mean? Just his mechanics? No one has said he's executing the offense great or anything like that, just that he's worked hard and improved. Seeing as now he didn't look good last year (widely reported) - it doesn't really mean much.

I don't honestly remember the reports from last year, but if we look for common threads across the reports now among what we're hearing, the vast majority on Lance has been very positive. I think there can be a point of looking too much for specific wording. Just because Kyle hasn't specifically said those words doesn't mean it isn't happening.

I do think the lost confidence comment did come off as "disappointment" and implication that they were ready to give up on him, which I don't necessarily think is true and it sounds like you're clarifying that that's not what you meant.

Anyways, basically what I'm saying is, I actually think their confidence in Lance IMO seems the same as it always has, I doubt it has lessened in this camp, but their confidence in Brock is so astronomically high, everyone else pales in comparison. They're enamored, absolutely infatuated with Brock and I don't blame them after what he did. Dude looks legit. I love his game and hope he balls out and stays healthy. Brock took advantage of an opportunity and earned everyone's confidence at the most maximum level possible. To put up all those numbers and go undefeated? I mean it doesn't get much better than that. Who knows what would've happen if he hadn't gotten knocked out.

Outside of practice, the team has as little game footage to go off of as everyone else. Brock came in with more starting college experience, and now he has more NFL starting experience than Lance already. Trey, I mean.. It sucks for him because had he not gotten his ankle snapped, he could've proven that first game to truly be an outlier in an otherwise productive season. Who knows.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Well that's just how you're interpreting "lost confidence". I don't think it has any thing to do with who Trey is as a person, I think it strictly has to do with his play. I think that if they thought Trey had the ability to play at the level of Allen, Herbert, etc - he would, at worst, have a chance to compete for QB1 or not have to compete for QB2 - you don't just stop developing someone that you genuinely believe has that potential.

if he was flashing all of this potential in practices, the few games he has played - his trade value wouldn't be what it is, right? To me, If nfl teams aren't willing to even consider giving up a first or second round pick for a guy with "tremendous potential" on a rookie scale contract, i interpret that as the real decision makers and professional evaluators don't think he's this amazing prospect that some fans think he is.

if his issue was only experience, and then he would be awesome, wouldn't teams be willing to offer up quite a bit for that?

if the team would rather develop Brock, instead of this guy that they've had for two years, I'd argue that they believe Brock has the potential to be a better qb than Lance. That's why I say "they lost confidence", it's in his ability as a football player and not a man. I'm sure Trey is a great guy, by all accounts.

keep in mind, I'm not saying Trey is/will be a bad QB. I just think he will be like a Dak. Not special but not bad.

Kyle said at the end of the season that he fully believed Trey "would've had a hell of a year" if he hadn't gotten hurt. Even more recently, he said Trey "was having a hell of a camp" last year too.

He had one game really last and while it wasn't good, it was more of an outlier compared to what he was flashing as a rookie.

I don't think poor performance is the right term, but more lack of performance. Maybe lacking some confidence in durability would be more the term, just IMO at least. He wasn't healthy long enough to prove his development over the season last year, but despite the season ending injury, came to camp as improved as he possibly could be in a number of ways.

His teammates say he's oozing confidence running the offense, his coaches say his mechanical improvements are showing up big-time, and a multitude of reporters have said he was getting the ball out faster than anyone in camp, including Brock. That last bit honestly surprised me but that's significant in a good way.

All of that, paired with his body of work as a rookie, I feel like is good evidence that team really hasn't lost confidence in his ability to succeed, but I could definitely see the argument for losing confidence in his ability to stay healthy (like what happened with Jimmy).

His trade value now has to do with a) those durability concerns, and b) his lack of experience and simply not enough recent game film to go off. He could an playing like his draft slot in practice and it wouldn't help us at all because no one outside of the organization has been able to see that in the regular season over an extended period.

It is what it is right now.

When I say "lost confidence" in Trey, I think people are taking that to the extreme. I 100% believe they think Trey can be a good quality qb, even above average QB. The dak prescotf range. So I'm not saying he can't play or they think he is a bust, that's not it.

i think they genuinely believe Brock can play at a higher level than Lance can. Now we won't know if that's true or not until later on, but if they really thought Lance could play on par with the best QBs in the league - they'd make the sacrifice of getting him playing time and develop him, IMO. Anyone in their right mind would.

It just doesn't make any sense to me for him to be the backup if they thought he could be a top tier QB and all he needs is experience, I imagine you'd at least make it a competition. I view Lance as a high end game manager, not a field general.

i may be wrong, and I'd be happy to be wrong, but based on all the actions by the team - that's my take. Cause idc what Kyle says a Lance had a really poor training camp last year. All the reporters said he looked similar to how he looked in the bears game, inefficient and inaccurate. Very sporadic. When I listen to Griese, Kyle, or John - they just say he has improved, but what does that mean? Just his mechanics? No one has said he's executing the offense great or anything like that, just that he's worked hard and improved. Seeing as now he didn't look good last year (widely reported) - it doesn't really mean much.

I don't honestly remember the reports from last year, but if we look for common threads across the reports now among what we're hearing, the vast majority on Lance has been very positive. I think there can be a point of looking too much for specific wording. Just because Kyle hasn't specifically said those words doesn't mean it isn't happening.

I do think the lost confidence comment did come off as "disappointment" and implication that they were ready to give up on him, which I don't necessarily think is true and it sounds like you're clarifying that that's not what you meant.

Anyways, basically what I'm saying is, I actually think their confidence in Lance IMO seems the same as it always has, I doubt it has lessened in this camp, but their confidence in Brock is so astronomically high, everyone else pales in comparison. They're enamored, absolutely infatuated with Brock and I don't blame them after what he did. Dude looks legit. I love his game and hope he balls out and stays healthy. Brock took advantage of an opportunity and earned everyone's confidence at the most maximum level possible. To put up all those numbers and go undefeated? I mean it doesn't get much better than that. Who knows what would've happen if he hadn't gotten knocked out.

Outside of practice, the team has as little game footage to go off of as everyone else. Brock came in with more starting college experience, and now he has more NFL starting experience than Lance already. Trey, I mean.. It sucks for him because had he not gotten his ankle snapped, he could've proven that first game to truly be an outlier in an otherwise productive season. Who knows.

Well regardless, I hope my perspective on it isn't accurate and/or he proves me wrong. I'd love to see him flourish, I'm just not confident in it - that's all. He has had some really nice improvement this off season, made some big time strides.

I've always expected him to win QB2 over darnold. Truthfully, I was surprised that he has to split reps. If the team really believes in Lance and thinks that all he needs is experience to be a top tier guy - theyre sure going about it wrong by taking valuable snaps away from him in camp/OTAs.

Also, with lances injured hand and his mechanics awful from it - i think it's very unlikely he would of played well last year. His accuracy would of been bad, we probably would of had a bad record or had to bench him for jimmy at some point. It was really dumb for him to be playing if his finger was making him as bad as they claim - it probably would of ruined his career. You can't assume he would of just started playing really well, especially with the accuracy issue. The team would of had to carry him in many aspects - especially the defense. It would of been like harbaugh years but with worse accuracy and that style football is harder to win with now a days (low scoring, keep it close, kick a field goal to win it).
i love Brock and the way he plays. I think he's going to be awesome and Trey will be an afterthought.

im really excited to follow the raiders joint practices. Hopefully Brock and Lance have a day. I've always liked jimmy but I'm kinda hoping we smoke his ass. Lol love watching the raiders flounder. HAHHA

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Great post. I am more skeptical, more so based on what we have seen in recent years. Prove my skepticism wrong and I will be a believer. If not, best believe Trey better get his crack at this next year. Tired of seeing our team get beat out because we have had inferior talent at the QB position.

Exactly

I am good with this IF we win it all but if not then it's back to why did we spend three firsts to develop an inexperienced talent and then not develop him for the last pick in the draft?

We drafted Trey to be a ten year franchise guy and Brock to be his backup so if we're going to change the order I want immediate results or else we are another year behind what we drafted Trey to be