QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
i lean more to the idea that the team brought in experienced depth because Trey's been injured two years in a row now. im not saying he's injury prone but i can see the team more worried about that than his play on the field.

Right but that's why every team has backup QBs. To hedge for injury. They don't share reps in their roles in those cases. You could be fearful Tua might suffer a season ending concussion, but you're not splitting his reps with Mike White just in case. He just takes the QB2 reps.

sorry not following now. Trey is the back up. all my comments assume Trey is QB2 who is in a competition with Sam (currently) for that position.

Trey being QB2 and in a camp battle for his position does not equal the team losing confidence in him. Brock Purdy's special performance last season has everything to do with Trey being where he's at on the depth chart currently.

Being QB2 does not equal the team losing confidence in him, but having to compete for the QB2 role may have indicated that.

completely disagree. all coaches believe competition can only help a player get better. this is the NFL. most positions are up for competition at this time of the year.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
i lean more to the idea that the team brought in experienced depth because Trey's been injured two years in a row now. im not saying he's injury prone but i can see the team more worried about that than his play on the field.

Right but that's why every team has backup QBs. To hedge for injury. They don't share reps in their roles in those cases. You could be fearful Tua might suffer a season ending concussion, but you're not splitting his reps with Mike White just in case. He just takes the QB2 reps.

sorry not following now. Trey is the back up. all my comments assume Trey is QB2 who is in a competition with Sam (currently) for that position.

Trey being QB2 and in a camp battle for his position does not equal the team losing confidence in him. Brock Purdy's special performance last season has everything to do with Trey being where he's at on the depth chart currently.

Being QB2 does not equal the team losing confidence in him, but having to compete for the QB2 role may have indicated that.

completely disagree. all coaches believe competition can only help a player get better. this is the NFL. most positions are up for competition at this time of the year.

Trey was QB1 with no competition last season.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey was QB1 with no competition last season.

And QB2 with no competition the season before. QB competitions happen pretty exclusively when that role (starter or backup) isn't settled. It's not treated the same as other positions where there is a lot more flexibility in getting players on the field. Outside of OL, there's room for rotation.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Being QB2 does not equal the team losing confidence in him, but having to compete for the QB2 role may have indicated that.

Exactly right. If there's no confidence lost, there is no competition for the backup role… putting aside the other evidence.

Maybe Kyle felt Sam was the best fit for our scheme on the market, and the only reason we were able to acquire him was to promise him he would have the chance to compete for QB2.

Whatever you think about Trey's ability, I believe he's been very professional off the field, with the media, his teammates, and his coaches.

Kyle knows this and uses this to his advantage, in that, he knew Trey wouldn't make a big deal out of having to compete.

In this scenario, bringing in Sam isn't a knock on Trey, it could be viewed as a positive in regard to Trey's maturity.

You can argue that if they felt strongly about Trey, they would give him every opportunity, which is something I've argued in the past as well.

But now I think, you can only prove the team lost confidence in Trey... when comparing him to Brock. Sharing reps doesn't say anything about them being down on Trey, when they could just way up on Brock.... he is the driving factor here, until proven otherwise.

What I had to realize is that Kyle's trying to win it all THIS YEAR, he's not trying to think about the future of the team when he has a great opportunity RIGHT NOW. Purdy is the guy and Kyle doesn't care about sunk cost if he can win a SB.

Thus, we should do everything we can to strengthen the QB room that's had so many injuries over the years, plus the new "Brock Purdy Rule", and that's exactly what he did.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
i lean more to the idea that the team brought in experienced depth because Trey's been injured two years in a row now. im not saying he's injury prone but i can see the team more worried about that than his play on the field.

Right but that's why every team has backup QBs. To hedge for injury. They don't share reps in their roles in those cases. You could be fearful Tua might suffer a season ending concussion, but you're not splitting his reps with Mike White just in case. He just takes the QB2 reps.

sorry not following now. Trey is the back up. all my comments assume Trey is QB2 who is in a competition with Sam (currently) for that position.

Trey being QB2 and in a camp battle for his position does not equal the team losing confidence in him. Brock Purdy's special performance last season has everything to do with Trey being where he's at on the depth chart currently.

Being QB2 does not equal the team losing confidence in him, but having to compete for the QB2 role may have indicated that.

completely disagree. all coaches believe competition can only help a player get better. this is the NFL. most positions are up for competition at this time of the year.

Trey was QB1 with no competition last season.

like Brock this year. like 2022, the position is settled.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
And QB2 with no competition the season before. QB competitions happen pretty exclusively when that role (starter or backup) isn't settled. It's not treated the same as other positions where there is a lot more flexibility in getting players on the field. Outside of OL, there's room for rotation.

the plan in 2021 was to groom Trey to become starter. that specific situation is much different and irrelevant to the present. plans evolve.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Maybe Kyle felt Sam was the best fit for our scheme on the market, and the only reason we were able to acquire him was to promise him he would have the chance to compete for QB2.

Whatever you think about Trey's ability, I believe he's been very professional off the field, with the media, his teammates, and his coaches.

Kyle knows this and uses this to his advantage, in that, he knew Trey wouldn't make a big deal out of having to compete.

In this scenario, bringing in Sam isn't a knock on Trey, it could be viewed as a positive in regard to Trey's maturity.

You can argue that if they felt strongly about Trey, they would give him every opportunity, which is something I've argued in the past as well.

But now I think, you can only prove the team lost confidence in Trey... when comparing him to Brock. Sharing reps doesn't say anything about them being down on Trey, when they could just way up on Brock.... he is the driving factor here, until proven otherwise.

What I had to realize is that Kyle's trying to win it all THIS YEAR, he's not trying to think about the future of the team when he has a great opportunity RIGHT NOW. Purdy is the guy and Kyle doesn't care about sunk cost if he can win a SB.

Thus, we should do everything we can to strengthen the QB room that's had so many injuries over the years, plus the new "Brock Purdy Rule", and that's exactly what he did.

Trey is a great kid by all accounts. There's no reason to question his maturity, intelligence, or drive. From our point of view he's handled what I think is a bad situation for him very well. I also agree that Kyle is prioritizing the now. But the idea that they would simply bring in Sam to strengthen the QB room, at least in the context you're describing, is something that just doesn't happen around the league. I understand people can counter with the idea that we faced an extremely unique situation in last year's title game as a reasonable explanation for acting uniquely now, but it still doesn't adequately account for everything we know is happening. There's no real reason we couldn't just sign a high value QB3, and still give every opportunity to Trey beyond that. I don't think its reasonable to assume we would take opportunities away from Trey simply because we want to strengthen the room, Trey can handle it mentally, and Darnold required a promise to compete for a job we would otherwise set aside for Trey.

And again, you and I have argued this, but there were signs of the faltering in confidence going back to last year. That's how it was possible to accurately predict this situation now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey was QB1 with no competition last season.

And QB2 with no competition the season before. QB competitions happen pretty exclusively when that role (starter or backup) isn't settled. It's not treated the same as other positions where there is a lot more flexibility in getting players on the field. Outside of OL, there's room for rotation.

You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
i lean more to the idea that the team brought in experienced depth because Trey's been injured two years in a row now. im not saying he's injury prone but i can see the team more worried about that than his play on the field.

Right but that's why every team has backup QBs. To hedge for injury. They don't share reps in their roles in those cases. You could be fearful Tua might suffer a season ending concussion, but you're not splitting his reps with Mike White just in case. He just takes the QB2 reps.

sorry not following now. Trey is the back up. all my comments assume Trey is QB2 who is in a competition with Sam (currently) for that position.

Trey being QB2 and in a camp battle for his position does not equal the team losing confidence in him. Brock Purdy's special performance last season has everything to do with Trey being where he's at on the depth chart currently.

certain fans and national media members are struggling with the reality that a 7th round rookie played so well that it earned him the QB1

if he regresses badly then trey needs to be prepared to take advantage

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
certain fans and national media members are struggling with the reality that a 7th round rookie played so well that it earned him the QB1

if he regresses badly then trey needs to be prepared to take advantage

Or Sam

(I hope I wasn't included in that group of fans you're talking about, lol.)

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

Agreed .

Originally posted by boast:
again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

I think there's some room to thread the needle here… it's just difficult because we don't know exactly what their expectations and projections were when they drafted him.

There's no way to disagree that they are operating under some idea that he's inexperienced… but that could also be a source of a loss of confidence, especially in year 3. They could lose confidence simply because he's a bigger project than they thought he was, and I think that's very possible or even likely. That also would be an evaluation problem that they are responsible for and not Trey's fault. My opinion was the pick screamed arrogance on the team's part. We can win and develop this guy at the same time which seemed absurd (and has played out that way to this point).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
again, describing it as "lost confidence" sets up a narrative that the team is disappointed in Trey in some way. i dont see it that way at all. i just think they understand he's still very inexperienced. Trey's 2022 season was derailed by injury. the team's plan was to get Trey his much needed experience during that reg season. unfortunately the opportunity for Trey to get that much need experience has passed now because Brock Purdy. it's not really Trey's fault unless you want to blame him for his injury.

I think there's some room to thread the needle here… it's just difficult because we don't know exactly what their expectations and projections were when they drafted him.

There's no way to disagree that they are operating under some idea that he's inexperienced… but that could also be a source of a loss of confidence, especially in year 3. They could lose confidence simply because he's a bigger project than they thought he was, and I think that's very possible or even likely. That also would be an evaluation problem that they are responsible for and not Trey's fault. My opinion was the pick screamed arrogance on the team's part. We can win and develop this guy at the same time which seemed absurd (and has played out that way to this point).

but only because of injury. who knows how Trey's 2022 season could've played out had he played all year?

Originally posted by boast:
but only because of injury. who knows how Trey's 2022 season could've played out had he played all year?

I think it wasn't looking very good though and the team was hedging, but I can't disagree we don't know for sure. That's just sports.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Trey was QB1 with no competition last season.

And QB2 with no competition the season before. QB competitions happen pretty exclusively when that role (starter or backup) isn't settled. It's not treated the same as other positions where there is a lot more flexibility in getting players on the field. Outside of OL, there's room for rotation.

You don't go from the undisputed starter and future of the franchise to competing for the backup job with a journeyman in one year because you inspired a lot of confidence. Lol

people will tell themselves just about anything when it comes to the QB they like to make sense of a situation in a way where they like what they hear.

it's Very obvious Trey has lost confidence from the team to be in the situation he's in. That also doesn't mean he can't regain it. He could start playing really well and change all of that, but that still doesn't change the fact he lost their confidence in the first place. They have spent the last 2+ years with Lance, practicing with him and working with him daily. They aren't judging this off of his few nfl games, although his poor performances as a whole plays a part, I'm sure.

trey needs to focus on beating out darnold right now and take it from there. He can still get a chance to play this year and he can regain their confidence, but he's definitely lost it over time.

I don't really agree with the first bolded. I don't think that's it. Man, I tell you what, he flashed way more as a rookie than folks are giving him credit for, especially considering his lack of overall experience and we weren't as good of a team as we were last year either. I went back and watched a bunch of those games and people really forget what promise he showed, despite playing hurt too.

I think people are reading way, way too much into Darnold being here as some kind of bash on Trey's ability as a quarterback. That's really a major reach to make that correlation. When he was signed, we didn't even know if we'd have anyone other than Trey on the roster by week one. It was a little over a month after Brock tore his UCL and Trey had another procedure in December. The team had no choice unless they wanted to look like morons with no plan and just hope nothing bad happened. They couldn't be certain of no setbacks, so they made the right move to get the best option they could to compete in camp.