QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
I hope he's a stud like last year. Is teams adapting a real thing? We will see. I recorded a few games with Brock and there were a few throws batted down. I hope not an issue this season and where Treys size is appreciated.

But I can't deal with the QB circus anymore. One QB the entire season please.

Lance had the same issue with batted balls, and he's 6'4.

here's a video discussing

Height is not a factor. There were articles just last season on why Trey Lance (6'4") was having more balls batted down than Jimmy G (6'2") … and there's this video. Lots of reasons why balls are batted. It's not height. pic.twitter.com/ssflm1I7iP

— Jon Tweets Sports (@jontweetssports) April 18, 2022

Yeah I think batted balls have more to do with the defense knowing when you are going to be throwing it and where because you are telegraphing your throws.

I don't recall Russell Wilson having a ton of batted balls and he is really short for a QB.

Only measurement that matters is neck thickness

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brock was thrown into the fire last year and really had to learn how to operate the offense and skill players around him on the fly, which he did a great job of, but now he has time to work the team and get in sync. He has time to review his film and work on his weak spots. He has time to really sink into the playbook and perfect plays/situations..

he was making errors in the first half of games and by halftime he was correcting them - that's impressive. He's a fast learner and everything he does, is just good qb play. Not gimmick stuff - so I'm confident he will be fine.

but there is always the possibility I'm wrong, I'm just not worried - I think Kyle and Brock are going to really be in sync and design some awesome plays and work on a lot of situations during camp that he didn't have the luxury of last season.

Brock got to go out there with zero expectations. He was the last pick in the draft. His plan was to just make the final roster. He also had more experience playing QB then a s**t ton of rookies that come into the league.

I mean he's basically missing out on a full off season to get better as a QB. I think there was more errors throughout games that you're unwilling to accept.

I don't expect the same 7.3TD% and I do expect the INTs to go up a little.

We will see, overall I'm not as confident as you are with him maintaining that play. Obviously I would love that!

I can't agree that he "basically missed out on a full off season to get better". He missed out throwing, but his accuracy was never really a problem, and lately he's even been doing that with qb guru's, and now he will have the whole pre season to sharpen that up. The much more important thing is that he had tremendous time to study each and every play he ran and analyze it, and even more importantly, time to study every single play in Kyle's playbook and mentally prepare how to handle every possible defense he could face running that play.

Can we cherry pick a stat that was good as some will be on a small sample size and say it could get worse? Sure. Overall, I think he will be better.

Beat Jalen Hurts and beat Mahomes and then I'm sold even if it means sitting the third overall pick. We have the team coaching and players and once we can settle at QB we can take off. Brock is young and cheap and if he's what coach thinks he is we can contend the next few years

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock got to go out there with zero expectations. He was the last pick in the draft. His plan was to just make the final roster. He also had more experience playing QB then a s**t ton of rookies that come into the league.

I mean he's basically missing out on a full off season to get better as a QB. I think there was more errors throughout games that you're unwilling to accept.

I don't expect the same 7.3TD% and I do expect the INTs to go up a little.

We will see, overall I'm not as confident as you are with him maintaining that play. Obviously I would love that!

I'm not saying it isn't hard to succeed when you have alot of expectations, for example - team makes largest trade in franchise history for you and has a super bowl ready roster and great coaching. That's a double edged sword and very few QBs. Would be able to pull it off In a way that makes most people happy. I always felt that, In a lot of ways, Trey was set up for failure.he hasn't failed yet, we will see how it plays out but that's a ridiculously hard situation to be in and succeed.

but its also very difficult when you cost nothing And have zero expectations, while being buried on the depth chart behind the guy listed above. The room for error is minimal to none. Your resources and ops (the coaches aren't going to spend as much time with pick 262 as they will with #3 because it's more important one works than the other). When you do get a chance, you have to be ready and perform.

i know Brock made a lot of mistakes that get lost in his success - he missed a lot of reads, late on throws that were Nearly picked off, it also shows that he doesn't need everything to be perfect around him to succeed - he has the ability to make up for mistakes in the moment and I think that's important. Guys like Alex & Jimmy rarely could do that. It's not a common trait.

His stats will change, but idk which in what direction. We will have to see how the game plays out. If he's healthy all year I think we will see a really good year from him.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brock was thrown into the fire last year and really had to learn how to operate the offense and skill players around him on the fly, which he did a great job of, but now he has time to work the team and get in sync. He has time to review his film and work on his weak spots. He has time to really sink into the playbook and perfect plays/situations..

he was making errors in the first half of games and by halftime he was correcting them - that's impressive. He's a fast learner and everything he does, is just good qb play. Not gimmick stuff - so I'm confident he will be fine.

but there is always the possibility I'm wrong, I'm just not worried - I think Kyle and Brock are going to really be in sync and design some awesome plays and work on a lot of situations during camp that he didn't have the luxury of last season.

Brock got to go out there with zero expectations. He was the last pick in the draft. His plan was to just make the final roster. He also had more experience playing QB then a s**t ton of rookies that come into the league.

I mean he's basically missing out on a full off season to get better as a QB. I think there was more errors throughout games that you're unwilling to accept.

I don't expect the same 7.3TD% and I do expect the INTs to go up a little.

We will see, overall I'm not as confident as you are with him maintaining that play. Obviously I would love that!

I can't agree that he "basically missed out on a full off season to get better". He missed out throwing, but his accuracy was never really a problem, and lately he's even been doing that with qb guru's, and now he will have the whole pre season to sharpen that up. The much more important thing is that he had tremendous time to study each and every play he ran and analyze it, and even more importantly, time to study every single play in Kyle's playbook and mentally prepare how to handle every possible defense he could face running that play.

Can we cherry pick a stat that was good as some will be on a small sample size and say it could get worse? Sure. Overall, I think he will be better.

All Brock missed out on was some team throwing drills in OTAs. Lol literally not a big deal at all in the big Picture. He will have all of training camp, he was with the coaches studying the playbook at OTAs, doing QB drills with everyone at OTAs. He worked on his footwork at OTA, timing etc - literally everything except maybe 20-30 reps at OTAs and not all of those are even 11-11. Lol

brock really didn't miss much at all this off season. A majority of what QBs do in the off season to improve isn't team throwing drills. He will get the bulk of those in camp, where it really matters.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I can't agree that he "basically missed out on a full off season to get better". He missed out throwing, but his accuracy was never really a problem, and lately he's even been doing that with qb guru's, and now he will have the whole pre season to sharpen that up. The much more important thing is that he had tremendous time to study each and every play he ran and analyze it, and even more importantly, time to study every single play in Kyle's playbook and mentally prepare how to handle every possible defense he could face running that play.

Can we cherry pick a stat that was good as some will be on a small sample size and say it could get worse? Sure. Overall, I think he will be better.

He's spent all of season recovering. Not improving. He will get some snaps this off season. He's not getting a full off season to improve. I mean there's no yeah but. It's the truth of the situation. It's still a steady process to get him where he needs to be.

You think his TD % will be better this yr? Why?

Originally posted by tankle104:
All Brock missed out on was some team throwing drills in OTAs. Lol literally not a big deal at all in the big Picture. He will have all of training camp, he was with the coaches studying the playbook at OTAs, doing QB drills with everyone at OTAs. He worked on his footwork at OTA, timing etc - literally everything except maybe 20-30 reps at OTAs and not all of those are even 11-11. Lol

brock really didn't miss much at all this off season. A majority of what QBs do in the off season to improve isn't team throwing drills. He will get the bulk of those in camp, where it really matters.

No he missed out on working on his craft all off season. It wasn't just joint practices…it's going to see QB specialist, throwing with your WRs, full body workouts etc etc. these guys aren't sitting and watching TV from Feb to August. A LOT of improvement comes from that time. Not just in OTAs and TC.

Acting like he didn't miss anything meaningful is being naive about the situation…Its the reality of dealing with a massive injury in the off season.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying it isn't hard to succeed when you have alot of expectations, for example - team makes largest trade in franchise history for you and has a super bowl ready roster and great coaching. That's a double edged sword and very few QBs. Would be able to pull it off In a way that makes most people happy. I always felt that, In a lot of ways, Trey was set up for failure.he hasn't failed yet, we will see how it plays out but that's a ridiculously hard situation to be in and succeed.

but its also very difficult when you cost nothing And have zero expectations, while being buried on the depth chart behind the guy listed above. The room for error is minimal to none. Your resources and ops (the coaches aren't going to spend as much time with pick 262 as they will with #3 because it's more important one works than the other). When you do get a chance, you have to be ready and perform.

i know Brock made a lot of mistakes that get lost in his success - he missed a lot of reads, late on throws that were Nearly picked off, it also shows that he doesn't need everything to be perfect around him to succeed - he has the ability to make up for mistakes in the moment and I think that's important. Guys like Alex & Jimmy rarely could do that. It's not a common trait.

His stats will change, but idk which in what direction. We will have to see how the game plays out. If he's healthy all year I think we will see a really good year from him.

The whole situation and what is good or bad for Trey is meaningless to discuss. He hasn't played. Plain and simple…4 and a half QRs of football as the QB1. Some random play in YR1 with a f**ked up throwing hand. Objectively there's nothing of substance to digest there…and if there's a positive game, people will nitpick it to death.

There's a reason why people love the underdog or the last pick in the draft. There is zero expectations of them doing anything. None. He could have played like Mullens and people would love him all the same. Anything positive from him is better than what anyone expected. That's sports.

yes he made mistakes and fortunately a lot of those didn't actually play out. We can't assume that this yr. If you're being realistic about Brock, I don't know how you can expect him to have a 7.6TD% this yr. Brady did that once over his career. I think it's logical to expect some sort of regression to the mean there.

look I want BCB to be elite, I'm also trying to keep s**t real.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
All Brock missed out on was some team throwing drills in OTAs. Lol literally not a big deal at all in the big Picture. He will have all of training camp, he was with the coaches studying the playbook at OTAs, doing QB drills with everyone at OTAs. He worked on his footwork at OTA, timing etc - literally everything except maybe 20-30 reps at OTAs and not all of those are even 11-11. Lol

brock really didn't miss much at all this off season. A majority of what QBs do in the off season to improve isn't team throwing drills. He will get the bulk of those in camp, where it really matters.

No he missed out on working on his craft all off season. It wasn't just joint practices…it's going to see QB specialist, throwing with your WRs, full body workouts etc etc. these guys aren't sitting and watching TV from Feb to August. A LOT of improvement comes from that time. Not just in OTAs and TC.

Acting like he didn't miss anything meaningful is being naive about the situation…Its the reality of dealing with a massive injury in the off season.

He's been with a specialist the last month or so, so he didn't miss out on that.
but you're acting like while he was rehabbing his arm, he did absolutely nothing but rehab the arm. He just sat there like a toad staring at the wall. He talked a lot about the things he worked on. They were specifically how to be a better leader, timing on plays, footwork, studying the playbook/motions, reviewing his film etc. how do you know he didn't have contact with some specialist or his private qb coach during that period?

not everyone needs to spend an entire off season working on their throwing motion/mechanics.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying it isn't hard to succeed when you have alot of expectations, for example - team makes largest trade in franchise history for you and has a super bowl ready roster and great coaching. That's a double edged sword and very few QBs. Would be able to pull it off In a way that makes most people happy. I always felt that, In a lot of ways, Trey was set up for failure.he hasn't failed yet, we will see how it plays out but that's a ridiculously hard situation to be in and succeed.

but its also very difficult when you cost nothing And have zero expectations, while being buried on the depth chart behind the guy listed above. The room for error is minimal to none. Your resources and ops (the coaches aren't going to spend as much time with pick 262 as they will with #3 because it's more important one works than the other). When you do get a chance, you have to be ready and perform.

i know Brock made a lot of mistakes that get lost in his success - he missed a lot of reads, late on throws that were Nearly picked off, it also shows that he doesn't need everything to be perfect around him to succeed - he has the ability to make up for mistakes in the moment and I think that's important. Guys like Alex & Jimmy rarely could do that. It's not a common trait.

His stats will change, but idk which in what direction. We will have to see how the game plays out. If he's healthy all year I think we will see a really good year from him.

The whole situation and what is good or bad for Trey is meaningless to discuss. He hasn't played. Plain and simple…4 and a half QRs of football as the QB1. Some random play in YR1 with a f**ked up throwing hand. Objectively there's nothing of substance to digest there…and if there's a positive game, people will nitpick it to death.

There's a reason why people love the underdog or the last pick in the draft. There is zero expectations of them doing anything. None. He could have played like Mullens and people would love him all the same. Anything positive from him is better than what anyone expected. That's sports.

yes he made mistakes and fortunately a lot of those didn't actually play out. We can't assume that this yr. If you're being realistic about Brock, I don't know how you can expect him to have a 7.6TD% this yr. Brady did that once over his career. I think it's logical to expect some sort of regression to the mean there.

look I want BCB to be elite, I'm also trying to keep s**t real.

That's your opinion. Kyle feels differently about Trey, he's seen enough of him to the point where he's making him split all meaningful reps with darnold. There have been reports that Allen looked better than both Lance & Darnold during OTAs this year. So it's just your opinion that there isn't anything meaningful to look at in his small sample size. I've said it to you all off season - his play raised a lot more concerns than it answered questions. You choose to ignore it all and encompass it all in this "it's too small for any of it to matter so why talk about it". That's another way of just deflecting because you want him to succeed so bad that you ignore anything negative.

it is a super small sample size and too small to label him as some failure but the guy that's around him every day for the last few years is taking opportunities away from him. Which I personally don't understand or agree with but it should make you at least ask yourself "why? Has Trey looked that bad during practices? Is he struggling running the offense that bad?" Idk the answer but there is obviously something there.

Hopefully Lance balls out this camp and all this goes away, which is my actual hope. I dont want to see Darnold as QB2. I don't want to see Darnold if Brock goes down. I'd much rather see lance.

i never said he is going to repeat his TD%, it's highly unlikely he does. Even if he hits 5% or 6%, it's still a great year. His percentage this year was abnormal across the league, If I remember right.

Originally posted by tankle104:
He's been with a specialist the last month or so, so he didn't miss out on that.
but you're acting like while he was rehabbing his arm, he did absolutely nothing but rehab the arm. He just sat there like a toad staring at the wall. He talked a lot about the things he worked on. They were specifically how to be a better leader, timing on plays, footwork, studying the playbook/motions, reviewing his film etc. how do you know he didn't have contact with some specialist or his private qb coach during that period?

not everyone needs to spend an entire off season working on their throwing motion/mechanics.

He absolutely missed out on what he would have done if not injured. My god dude.

nowhere did I say he did nothing. You can watch old film and take those mental reps. There is no spending a ton of time with coaches with the CBA in the off season.

dude he didn't get cleared to throw "without restrictions" until his physical yesterday. So no he wasn't running around doing what he would have been doing if he wasn't injured. That's the truth of dealing with a serious elbow injury to his throwing arm.

Originally posted by tankle104:
That's your opinion. Kyle feels differently about Trey, he's seen enough of him to the point where he's making him split all meaningful reps with darnold. There have been reports that Allen looked better than both Lance & Darnold during OTAs this year. So it's just your opinion that there isn't anything meaningful to look at in his small sample size. I've said it to you all off season - his play raised a lot more concerns than it answered questions. You choose to ignore it all and encompass it all in this "it's too small for any of it to matter so why talk about it". That's another way of just deflecting because you want him to succeed so bad that you ignore anything negative.

it is a super small sample size and too small to label him as some failure but the guy that's around him every day for the last few years is taking opportunities away from him. Which I personally don't understand or agree with but it should make you at least ask yourself "why? Has Trey looked that bad during practices? Is he struggling running the offense that bad?" Idk the answer but there is obviously something there.

Hopefully Lance balls out this camp and all this goes away, which is my actual hope. I dont want to see Darnold as QB2. I don't want to see Darnold if Brock goes down. I'd much rather see lance.

i never said he is going to repeat his TD%, it's highly unlikely he does. Even if he hits 5% or 6%, it's still a great year. His percentage this year was abnormal across the league, If I remember right.

BS. Kyle is going with Brock based on what he did last yr. Not because he saw enough from Lance. Only chance he had to get Sam in here was to say hey you got a chance to be the backup blah blah blah. They were insulating themselves because of pervious QB injuries and having TWO QBs ahead of him recovering all the same.

Kyle said just because he's splitting reps for those two doesn't mean that's how it will be all camp. They have two guys that they've invested nothing in and one that they gave up the farm for….if you think Kyle is just over Lance after 170 passing attempts, then we have a bigger issue with our HC. They've given guys like Thomas, Kinlaw and even Foster more chances than Lance at this point. It's stupid to think they're just done with Lance. It's more about what Brock did and he's got to show he can maintain that play. If he doesn't then he will be out and someone else will be up.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Beat Jalen Hurts and beat Mahomes and then I'm sold even if it means sitting the third overall pick. We have the team coaching and players and once we can settle at QB we can take off. Brock is young and cheap and if he's what coach thinks he is we can contend the next few years

Patrick Mahomes may be the GOAT.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Beat Jalen Hurts and beat Mahomes and then I'm sold even if it means sitting the third overall pick. We have the team coaching and players and once we can settle at QB we can take off. Brock is young and cheap and if he's what coach thinks he is we can contend the next few years

Patrick Mahomes may be the GOAT.

Tom Brady is going to hold that title for a long time. Mahomes may take it over eventually, but it will take many more years for high level of play and championships.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Beat Jalen Hurts and beat Mahomes and then I'm sold even if it means sitting the third overall pick. We have the team coaching and players and once we can settle at QB we can take off. Brock is young and cheap and if he's what coach thinks he is we can contend the next few years

I just want an elite QB. Don't care who it is. I don't want to be walking into most games with the worse QB.