QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

OK

The point is, it's not really possible to fully evaluate a QB when he's surrounded by that level of talent and offensive play calling.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

OK

Too bad Jimmys been HISTORICALLY BAD in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter which is the clutch quarter. Purdy on the other hand was excellent in the playoffs as a rookie.

But hey, Jimmy was elite with CMC in the REGULAR season EVEN though he scored 10 FEWER PPG than Purdy. Purdy also didn't have Deebo for the majority of his games. I'd love to hear the reasons why people think Jimmy would of done well in the playoffs.

Kyle should start Darnold week 1 as a sacrificial lamb. Steelers are so good in week 1 home openers. And Niners always start slow.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
He's right about what? Jimmy's advanced stats in one game were equal to or better than Purdy's over a 7-8 game stretch? What kind of comparison is that? Not to mention, it was ridiculously obvious how much better Purdy was than Jimmy.

But this is where we are. The Trey fans are so hell bent on minimizing Purdy, they are now embracing and lifting up Jimmy to attempt to make that happen. Lol it's funny at this point.

One game? I'm talking about his last 4 starts with CMC. Jimmy's numbers were legit good.

why do you ya'll resort to "Lance fans" or "Brock haters"? That's childish s**t imo. I'm in the Brock thread talking about Brock. If we're gonna go down that road why are you minimizing what Jimmy did with CMC his last 4 starts. Last I checked completing 73% of your passes, having a QB rating of 113.5, avg 230 yards and having 8 TDs to zero INTs in 4 games was pretty freaking good. Or do those kind of stats only apply to Brock?

What is your point here?

His point is that you and Furlow are no longer choosing Jimmy

Correct! Purdy > Jimmy. What I'm trying to figure out is why Jimmy haters (who wanted Trey to play instead) have now become Jimmy fans (as a way to minimize Purdy).

Tbh, same reason you guys minimized the offensive line to elevate Jimmy.

What reason is that?

I mean, is it really that hard to piece together? Lol. Because people latch onto a player and become more fans of that player than the team. You notice some of the most ardent Jimmy cultists are gone? They have made accounts on the Raiders forums. Just like if/when Trey leaves, I suspect guys like NDSU are going to follow him to his new team.

I praised the offensive line improvement the past two years so ypu are not being honest.

I don't want to lose NY if Trey leaves.

I was talking to Furlow, not you. You're in the quote chain, but I was specifically replying to the last person in the quote chain. I merely kept it so that context wasn't lost.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by tankle104:

The biggest news item from 49ers OTA today is that Brock Purdy is on track to start throwing a football next week. That's about a week earlier than the projection when he had his surgery in March.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) May 23, 2023

ill take it!!

being one week ahead of schedule is MASSIVE. Since the date he was supposed to be 6 months in, would of been game day (week 1), this potentially provides some room for him to be fully ready. If he can be 100% ready one week before the season, that's huge.

im hoping he can shave a few days off of that by having a nice, clean throwing rehab. If he can manage to shave a few more days to a week off, it'll give him a 10 day window or so to get as ready for week 1 as possible and compete for the starting job. Love it.

you called it! good work home chicken

I willed it into existence! Hahaha I just thought the way the team was talking about his progress that it seemed to me like they were very encouraged and optimistic.

This is great news if he'll actually get to play before the season. He'll need to shake off the rust.

As for Trey, step one is to beat out Darnold. And if he does, he needs to be ready for his opportunity. He still has this entire year to prove himself. Anything can happen.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

OK

Too bad Jimmys been HISTORICALLY BAD in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter which is the clutch quarter. Purdy on the other hand was excellent in the playoffs as a rookie.

But hey, Jimmy was elite with CMC in the REGULAR season EVEN though he scored 10 FEWER PPG than Purdy. Purdy also didn't have Deebo for the majority of his games. I'd love to hear the reasons why people think Jimmy would of done well in the playoffs.

The glaring weaknesses in your argument are the small sample size and extremely soft schedule.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sounds like we need better advanced stats...

In the interim:
QBR with McCaffrey:
Jimmy: 40.5, 76.4, 58.1, 78.0, 82.0. Avg: 67.0
Purdy: 56.5, 93.0, 64.8, 61.6, 67.9, 51.7, 89.5, 53.3. Avg: 67.2.

So I'd say in QBR Purdy was slightly better, had better best games, including one elite game and one nearly elite game, no below average games (50 is average IIRC), but had more games closer to a little above average and Jimmy had more games a lot above average. Whereas Jimmy had one below average game and two games far above average, one really very good game.

But the main difference between them is Purdy's TD%, which was a ridiculous 7.6%.

Yeah, it seemed like we scored at will with Brock under center. What was his lowest scoring game? 23 or so?

Idk what it was exactly but I thought it was clear that Brock played, and operated the offense, better than Jimmy. I thought Jimmy was playing his best ball too. Some say it was CMC, and I'm sure that's a core factor, but Jimmy had CMC while he was still getting comfortable with the offense. On the other hand, Brock was an inexperienced rookie with essentially no reps all year.

You'd think Jimmy would of benefited more than Brock because CMC is an all-pro vet and Jimmy is a Vet. But instead a rookie with essentially no team reps got the most out of CMC (and everyone else).

i think Brock's special. Idk why anyone would rather play someone else over him if he's healthy. I really think we lucked out and found very special qb.

Because he didn't seem special to the eye. Yes, He added some escapability we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia but he also had a number of throws that should've been easy picks for the defense, his release and processing is noticeably slower than Jimmy, and that spin and roll left thing he does got extremely predictable at the end.

Not to mention most of the offensive improvement can reasonably be attributed to CMC (and Mitchell).

It wouldn't surprise me if "the book" on him made its way around the league this off-season and his performance dropped off a cliff. Remember how good Kaepernick was in the beginning?

Didn't seem special to the eye? You miss some of those off-platform or side arm throws after scrambling? I'd say he looked pretty special. Not like supreme arm strength special, but special nonetheless.

Compare Purdy's first season to Kaepernick's first season starting. Both got their jobs in similar situations but many people thought Kaep was going to take over the league. Purdy's good but doesn't really give off those vibes.

Hahaha I thought kap was going to be good but I never got the elite passer vibe him. I knew he relied on his legs a lot. I felt like he lacked touch and arch on his throws. I didn't think he would be bad but I was disappointed how he never really improved in that area.

i get a way different vibe from Purdy to Kap. Honestly not even close. I was super excited for kap because I was so tired of Smith's super conservative play.

Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Kyle should start Darnold week 1 as a sacrificial lamb. Steelers are so good in week 1 home openers. And Niners always start slow.

Whoever starts week 1 is going to be a sacrificial lamb. Not going to be pretty

Originally posted by All22:
The point is, it's not really possible to fully evaluate a QB when he's surrounded by that level of talent and offensive play calling.

Bulls**t.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

OK

Too bad Jimmys been HISTORICALLY BAD in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter which is the clutch quarter. Purdy on the other hand was excellent in the playoffs as a rookie.

But hey, Jimmy was elite with CMC in the REGULAR season EVEN though he scored 10 FEWER PPG than Purdy. Purdy also didn't have Deebo for the majority of his games. I'd love to hear the reasons why people think Jimmy would of done well in the playoffs.

The glaring weaknesses in your argument are the small sample size and extremely soft schedule.

Miami head a good defense, Tampa Bay had a top 7 defense when we played them, Washington had a very very good defense. Dallas had an elite defense should I keep going because I think the glaring weakness in your argument is you don't have one.

Not to mention he made those defenses look like garbage aside from Dallas. That can easily be attributed to the offensive line looking like one of the worst in the league when we played them.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

OK

Too bad Jimmys been HISTORICALLY BAD in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter which is the clutch quarter. Purdy on the other hand was excellent in the playoffs as a rookie.

But hey, Jimmy was elite with CMC in the REGULAR season EVEN though he scored 10 FEWER PPG than Purdy. Purdy also didn't have Deebo for the majority of his games. I'd love to hear the reasons why people think Jimmy would of done well in the playoffs.

The glaring weaknesses in your argument are the small sample size and extremely soft schedule.

Miami head a good defense, Tampa Bay had a top 7 defense when we played them, Washington had a very very good defense. Dallas had an elite defense should I keep going because I think the glaring weakness in your argument is you don't have one.

Not to mention he made those defenses look like garbage aside from Dallas. That can easily be attributed to the offensive line looking like one of the worst in the league when we played them.

That's an absolutely insane take. Most of those games were our defense and running game wearing other teams down and Robbie Gold filling in much of the rest.

Miami
The game was 23-17 with 2 minutes left.
Robbie had 4 FG's
Tua lost a fumble and threw 2 picks, one of which was returned for a TD.
Our D caused a turnover on downs with Miami in scoring position in the 4th (score 23-17).
The Dolphins had 33 yards rushing TOTAL and Tua completed 54% of his passes.
We stomped them in the field position game.
Brock had 210 yards with 2 TD's and 1 INT.
In no way did Purdy make them look like garbage.

Tampa
Brock had 185 yards passing.
We had 209 yards rushing.
He played very well though.

Washington
7-7 game at halftime.
We scored on our last 5 drives but the starting field position of each drive was WAS 34 (TD), SFO 40 (FG), WAS 11 (FG), WAS 25 (FG), WAS 33 (TD).

At least watch the games if you're going to use them as evidence.

Originally posted by All22:

The point is, it's not really possible to fully evaluate a QB when he's surrounded by that level of talent and offensive play calling.

It is entirely possible.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:
The point is, it's not really possible to fully evaluate a QB when he's surrounded by that level of talent and offensive play calling.

It is entirely possible.

But you can watch Trey in college and his extremely small sample size of experience, with the best program/talent around him in FCS football, and come to the conclusion he has superstar potential? Lol..

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by All22:
The point is, it's not really possible to fully evaluate a QB when he's surrounded by that level of talent and offensive play calling.

It is entirely possible.

But you can watch Trey in college and his extremely small sample size of experience, with the best program/talent around him in FCS football, and come to the conclusion he has superstar potential? Lol..

Edit: Agreed.