QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Correct! Purdy > Jimmy. What I'm trying to figure out is why Jimmy haters (who wanted Trey to play instead) have now become Jimmy fans (as a way to minimize Purdy).

VERY VERY TRUE!

It must be very confusing for those who live in a world where you either completely hate a player or completely love them with nothing in-between.

So you think it's reasonable to simultaneously hate and love Jimmy as a QB, depending on how it suits your argument? Go on...

Might as well keep all 3 QB's since our QB's always seem to get injured.

Has any of our QB's made it through a full season w/out getting injured since KS took over?

Just a fair question not a criticism.

Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Interesting fact - Nick Mullens was cleared to play five months after he had the same procedure as Purdy. Every one heals differently but I thought that was encouraging. He had the benefit of more time though before the season starts than Brock does.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Might as well keep all 3 QB's since our QB's always seem to get injured.

Has any of our QB's made it through a full season w/out getting injured since KS took over?

Just a fair question not a criticism.

I believe Jimmy made it thru the full season the year we were in the SB with him.
Don't know if he was banged up going into the SB, but he could have been.

Sucks we can't seem to stay healthy with our impact players. Hopefully this is the year!! Fingers, and everything else crossed!!

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

I think he's promoting competition and letting everyone know who's currently winning.

you also have to think about more than just the qb, you can't compartmentilize everything and think that's how it works. You have to think about the rest of the team, the culture etc. you don't really want a team like this to have a ton of uncertainty around its most important position. You want everyone focused and on the same page, especially when you have a qb everyone loves, trusts, and knows can win. He's leading a team. Not just the QBs.

"we don't know who will be our starting qb, we will just let three guys duke it out. Split up reps all off season, even though that's very unproductive for the overall team and messes with chemistry and focus".

"right now, based on his performance, Brock is the leader in the clubhouse. We really believe in our other QBs and they'll get a chance to compete and fight for their spots. Nothing set in stone, but that's our plan right now. We will see how training camp goes".

which one is better for team building?

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

I agree. I also think if Lance and/or Darnold have a great camp, we'll see some QB rotations during the season. It's a great way to keep them sharp and fresh.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Lol but he's not sold on Him. Elite isn't good enough. Or we don't know if he can sustain it - so let's put someone else in there and hope they play at that level, because they can guarantee maintain it. Especially since Brock isn't very tall and doesn't have a cannon :/ it's impossible for him to become elite. He's just going to start throwing the ball at the back of his lineman's heads.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sounds like we need better advanced stats...

In the interim:
QBR with McCaffrey:
Jimmy: 40.5, 76.4, 58.1, 78.0, 82.0. Avg: 67.0
Purdy: 56.5, 93.0, 64.8, 61.6, 67.9, 51.7, 89.5, 53.3. Avg: 67.2.

So I'd say in QBR Purdy was slightly better, had better best games, including one elite game and one nearly elite game, no below average games (50 is average IIRC), but had more games closer to a little above average and Jimmy had more games a lot above average. Whereas Jimmy had one below average game and two games far above average, one really very good game.

But the main difference between them is Purdy's TD%, which was a ridiculous 7.6%.

Yeah, it seemed like we scored at will with Brock under center. What was his lowest scoring game? 23 or so?

Idk what it was exactly but I thought it was clear that Brock played, and operated the offense, better than Jimmy. I thought Jimmy was playing his best ball too. Some say it was CMC, and I'm sure that's a core factor, but Jimmy had CMC while he was still getting comfortable with the offense. On the other hand, Brock was an inexperienced rookie with essentially no reps all year.

You'd think Jimmy would of benefited more than Brock because CMC is an all-pro vet and Jimmy is a Vet. But instead a rookie with essentially no team reps got the most out of CMC (and everyone else).

i think Brock's special. Idk why anyone would rather play someone else over him if he's healthy. I really think we lucked out and found very special qb.

Because he didn't seem special to the eye. Yes, He added some escapability we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia but he also had a number of throws that should've been easy picks for the defense, his release and processing is noticeably slower than Jimmy, and that spin and roll left thing he does got extremely predictable at the end.

Not to mention most of the offensive improvement can reasonably be attributed to CMC (and Mitchell).

It wouldn't surprise me if "the book" on him made its way around the league this off-season and his performance dropped off a cliff. Remember how good Kaepernick was in the beginning?

Didn't seem special to the eye? You miss some of those off-platform or side arm throws after scrambling? I'd say he looked pretty special. Not like supreme arm strength special, but special nonetheless.

Compare Purdy's first season to Kaepernick's first season starting. Both got their jobs in similar situations but many people thought Kaep was going to take over the league. Purdy's good but doesn't really give off those vibes.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Not sold on Purdy at this point. Very promising as a potential franchise type QB but has lots still to prove over a full football season. I am struggling to understand the rush to judgement by Shany. Even if he believes it, why tell anyone; promoting QB competition in the QB room should be the priority.

Purdy played at an elite level last year. He had to be the #1.

Elite.....i wouldnt say that. Very solid and encouraging. I am just not ready to hand him the keys just yet and in the process of developing him, we need to maximize the competition level with TL. Lets see who truly is our QB of the future in the next year or so. I dont care who, I just dont want see a rush to judgement.

Statistically, he was elite IMO.

We are in the process of doing that and Brock is leading the pack by a substantial margin.

He knows Lance is behind him chomping at the bit for an opportunity.

Statistically, Jimmy with CMC was elite too.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sounds like we need better advanced stats...

In the interim:
QBR with McCaffrey:
Jimmy: 40.5, 76.4, 58.1, 78.0, 82.0. Avg: 67.0
Purdy: 56.5, 93.0, 64.8, 61.6, 67.9, 51.7, 89.5, 53.3. Avg: 67.2.

So I'd say in QBR Purdy was slightly better, had better best games, including one elite game and one nearly elite game, no below average games (50 is average IIRC), but had more games closer to a little above average and Jimmy had more games a lot above average. Whereas Jimmy had one below average game and two games far above average, one really very good game.

But the main difference between them is Purdy's TD%, which was a ridiculous 7.6%.

Yeah, it seemed like we scored at will with Brock under center. What was his lowest scoring game? 23 or so?

Idk what it was exactly but I thought it was clear that Brock played, and operated the offense, better than Jimmy. I thought Jimmy was playing his best ball too. Some say it was CMC, and I'm sure that's a core factor, but Jimmy had CMC while he was still getting comfortable with the offense. On the other hand, Brock was an inexperienced rookie with essentially no reps all year.

You'd think Jimmy would of benefited more than Brock because CMC is an all-pro vet and Jimmy is a Vet. But instead a rookie with essentially no team reps got the most out of CMC (and everyone else).

i think Brock's special. Idk why anyone would rather play someone else over him if he's healthy. I really think we lucked out and found very special qb.

Because he didn't seem special to the eye. Yes, He added some escapability we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia but he also had a number of throws that should've been easy picks for the defense, his release and processing is noticeably slower than Jimmy, and that spin and roll left thing he does got extremely predictable at the end.

Not to mention most of the offensive improvement can reasonably be attributed to CMC (and Mitchell).

It wouldn't surprise me if "the book" on him made its way around the league this off-season and his performance dropped off a cliff. Remember how good Kaepernick was in the beginning?

Didn't seem special to the eye? You miss some of those off-platform or side arm throws after scrambling? I'd say he looked pretty special. Not like supreme arm strength special, but special nonetheless.

Compare Purdy's first season to Kaepernick's first season starting. Both got their jobs in similar situations but many people thought Kaep was going to take over the league. Purdy's good but doesn't really give off those vibes.

Purdy doesn't give off the vibe that Kap did where he's not close to his team mates and doesn't work hard to improve. Dude didn't work hard enough and the league caught up to his ass, I don't have that feeling about Purdy let alone Lance who works his ass off as well.

I remember constant debates on who would you rather have Wilson or Kap? Wilson worked his ass off constantly, improved and kept up with what defenses started to throw at him while Kap got worse

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sounds like we need better advanced stats...

In the interim:
QBR with McCaffrey:
Jimmy: 40.5, 76.4, 58.1, 78.0, 82.0. Avg: 67.0
Purdy: 56.5, 93.0, 64.8, 61.6, 67.9, 51.7, 89.5, 53.3. Avg: 67.2.

So I'd say in QBR Purdy was slightly better, had better best games, including one elite game and one nearly elite game, no below average games (50 is average IIRC), but had more games closer to a little above average and Jimmy had more games a lot above average. Whereas Jimmy had one below average game and two games far above average, one really very good game.

But the main difference between them is Purdy's TD%, which was a ridiculous 7.6%.

Yeah, it seemed like we scored at will with Brock under center. What was his lowest scoring game? 23 or so?

Idk what it was exactly but I thought it was clear that Brock played, and operated the offense, better than Jimmy. I thought Jimmy was playing his best ball too. Some say it was CMC, and I'm sure that's a core factor, but Jimmy had CMC while he was still getting comfortable with the offense. On the other hand, Brock was an inexperienced rookie with essentially no reps all year.

You'd think Jimmy would of benefited more than Brock because CMC is an all-pro vet and Jimmy is a Vet. But instead a rookie with essentially no team reps got the most out of CMC (and everyone else).

i think Brock's special. Idk why anyone would rather play someone else over him if he's healthy. I really think we lucked out and found very special qb.

Because he didn't seem special to the eye. Yes, He added some escapability we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia but he also had a number of throws that should've been easy picks for the defense, his release and processing is noticeably slower than Jimmy, and that spin and roll left thing he does got extremely predictable at the end.

Not to mention most of the offensive improvement can reasonably be attributed to CMC (and Mitchell).

It wouldn't surprise me if "the book" on him made its way around the league this off-season and his performance dropped off a cliff. Remember how good Kaepernick was in the beginning?

Didn't seem special to the eye? You miss some of those off-platform or side arm throws after scrambling? I'd say he looked pretty special. Not like supreme arm strength special, but special nonetheless.

Compare Purdy's first season to Kaepernick's first season starting. Both got their jobs in similar situations but many people thought Kaep was going to take over the league. Purdy's good but doesn't really give off those vibes.

Purdy doesn't give off the vibe that Kap did where he's not close to his team mates and doesn't work hard to improve. Dude didn't work hard enough and the league caught up to his ass, I don't have that feeling about Purdy let alone Lance who works his ass off as well.

I remember constant debates on who would you rather have Wilson or Kap? Wilson worked his ass off constantly, improved and kept up with what defenses started to throw at him while Kap got worse

But you weren't thinking that after Kaep's first season starting (i.e. the Superbowl run).