QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was SO excited to read that Purdy is going through all the drills with a towel instead of a football. That's really good news. I had been preparing myself for Purdy starting sometime after the start of the season at the earliest. It is legit starting to look like maybe he can get the whole season in, which of course would be fantastic.

Yes! I've been optimistic he will start week 1 and be 100%, because week 1 is exactly 6 months from his surgery date. It just left no room for error. He has the benefit of a healthy UCL tissue (per the surgeon) and is young, so I've been much more optimistic than guys like big Ben who was like 14 years deep into his career when he had the surgery.

im just really curious if his ability to throw a towel at this point means he's right on schedule or a little ahead. I'm hoping a little ahead.

I missed this piece of news from Matt Barrows. (Sorry if its a repost). This piece of news really makes me optimistic that Brock will be ready for the start of the season. In fact, his arm could conceivably get better. Sports science is advancing every year.

Thorson's arm strength is newsworthy considering he suffered an elbow injury nearly a year ago while playing for the USFL's Houston Gamblers — in a game against the Philadelphia Stars — and had the same 'internal brace' procedure that Brock Purdy had in March. Thorson did not appear to be hindered in Friday's session." This is excellent news for Purdy and the 49ers, especially if Purdy can recover as Thorson has. Same injury. Same surgery. Same city (ironically). And Thorson is throwing the ball well.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169021-biggest-news-49ers-rookie-minicamp/

Thorson's elbow injury was in May of last year, so I'm not sure what it can tell us about Purdy's chances of playing in the opener. There's no information out there on his recovery timeline. He was released from his USFL team in January before the season.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was SO excited to read that Purdy is going through all the drills with a towel instead of a football. That's really good news. I had been preparing myself for Purdy starting sometime after the start of the season at the earliest. It is legit starting to look like maybe he can get the whole season in, which of course would be fantastic.

Yes! I've been optimistic he will start week 1 and be 100%, because week 1 is exactly 6 months from his surgery date. It just left no room for error. He has the benefit of a healthy UCL tissue (per the surgeon) and is young, so I've been much more optimistic than guys like big Ben who was like 14 years deep into his career when he had the surgery.

im just really curious if his ability to throw a towel at this point means he's right on schedule or a little ahead. I'm hoping a little ahead.

I missed this piece of news from Matt Barrows. (Sorry if its a repost). This piece of news really makes me optimistic that Brock will be ready for the start of the season. In fact, his arm could conceivably get better. Sports science is advancing every year.

Thorson's arm strength is newsworthy considering he suffered an elbow injury nearly a year ago while playing for the USFL's Houston Gamblers — in a game against the Philadelphia Stars — and had the same 'internal brace' procedure that Brock Purdy had in March. Thorson did not appear to be hindered in Friday's session." This is excellent news for Purdy and the 49ers, especially if Purdy can recover as Thorson has. Same injury. Same surgery. Same city (ironically). And Thorson is throwing the ball well.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169021-biggest-news-49ers-rookie-minicamp/

Thorson's elbow injury was in May of last year, so I'm not sure what it can tell us about Purdy's chances of playing in the opener. There's no information out there on his recovery timeline. He was released from his USFL team in January before the season.

Yeah, I just like the fact that he had the surgery and recovered well. That's the biggest concern to me. If he has to miss a few games, so be it, it's more important that he heals properly.

Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

ya that is interesting, could be related to age or lack of game experience

I think its more of that lances finger healed, just healed incorrectly. Which impacted his grip and ability to fully bend his finger.

im still trying to figure out when/if he knew that it didn't heal right and what the process was to fix it. My assumption is he knew something was wrong but didn't want to miss any time and thought he could power through it. Which I get that, hindsight is 20/20 but I could understand him doing that.

I believe it didn't heal and that is why he was gripping the ball differently and played thru the pain.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

to me, the biggest difference between Brock and jimmy is that Brock consistently threw his guys open by dropping dimes. Jimmy doesn't do that too often. The pass to kittle for the two point conversion was a beauty

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

ya that is interesting, could be related to age or lack of game experience

I think its more of that lances finger healed, just healed incorrectly. Which impacted his grip and ability to fully bend his finger.

im still trying to figure out when/if he knew that it didn't heal right and what the process was to fix it. My assumption is he knew something was wrong but didn't want to miss any time and thought he could power through it. Which I get that, hindsight is 20/20 but I could understand him doing that.

I believe it didn't heal and that is why he was gripping the ball differently and played thru the pain.

Idk much about bones healing and all that but based on what Kyle said - the bone healed, it just didn't in alignment. Having the bones in your finger heal out of alignment sounds like a nightmare.

Originally posted by tankle104:
inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Redzone TD percentage for the offense would be a stat worth looking at for this comparison.

Purdy's ability to improvise, buy time, and find the checkdown in redzone situations was a clear contrast with Jimmy's play... and I think one of the biggest factors in the difference in scoring between the team with each at QB.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Redzone TD percentage for the offense would be a stat worth looking at for this comparison.

Purdy's ability to improvise, buy time, and find the checkdown in redzone situations was a clear contrast with Jimmy's play... and I think one of the biggest factors in the difference in scoring between the team with each at QB.

I agree. I also think Brock's ability to throw guys open/hit tight window throws was a major factor. When you couple what your said and that, he seemed really impactful.

our offense was a scorin juggernaut. I feel like some folks don't fully realize how dominant we were with Purdy. Not saying others aren't capable of doing it but what he did was special, specifically as a rookie.

i just hope he can continue it. That experience should give him a major boost, if he heals properly

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

I don't know where to find the exact numbers in terms of RZ TD percentage by week, but going into the game against Miami, our RZ TD % was 55.6% (#15th), but by the end of the season it had dropped to 52.8%(#20th), so technically we actually got worse in the percentage of RZ trips resulting in a TD with Purdy. In 2021, we had a RZ TD % of nearly 65% (4th best).

2022 was actually our worst year in terms of scoring TDs in the RZ since 2018.

Now, this doesn't mean that Jimmy was better in the RZ than Brock, but at least statistically the offense scored TDs in the RZ when they did get to the RZ more often with Jimmy than with Brock.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know where to find the exact numbers in terms of RZ TD percentage by week, but going into the game against Miami, our RZ TD % was 55.6% (#15th), but by the end of the season it had dropped to 52.8%(#20th), so technically we actually got worse in the percentage of RZ trips resulting in a TD with Purdy. In 2021, we had a RZ TD % of nearly 65% (4th best).

That definitely could be true, but it's a small enough sample that it wouldn't take a ton of work to look into it situationally. Can at least separate rushing/passing attempts and 3rd down performance.

Originally posted by krizay:
So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

Are you done? SMFH.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

to me, the biggest difference between Brock and jimmy is that Brock consistently threw his guys open by dropping dimes. Jimmy doesn't do that too often. The pass to kittle for the two point conversion was a beauty

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Thanks. Question….Why are you doing inside the 10 though? RZ is inside the 20.

for me the biggest difference was Brock's ability to extend the play and look beyond the play call. One play I remember he scrambled around and found kittle back of the end zone. Great play. Turns out he missed his first read which wide open read on the play lol. Either way we scored, I bet kyle was a little bent out of shape still.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

I don't know where to find the exact numbers in terms of RZ TD percentage by week, but going into the game against Miami, our RZ TD % was 55.6% (#15th), but by the end of the season it had dropped to 52.8%(#20th), so technically we actually got worse in the percentage of RZ trips resulting in a TD with Purdy. In 2021, we had a RZ TD % of nearly 65% (4th best).

2022 was actually our worst year in terms of scoring TDs in the RZ since 2018.

Now, this doesn't mean that Jimmy was better in the RZ than Brock, but at least statistically the offense scored TDs in the RZ when they did get to the RZ more often with Jimmy than with Brock.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

Interesting, I'll have to dive deeper into this. We obviously were scoring a lot more points but maybe they were coming in different ways, like 25+ yards touchdowns.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know where to find the exact numbers in terms of RZ TD percentage by week, but going into the game against Miami, our RZ TD % was 55.6% (#15th), but by the end of the season it had dropped to 52.8%(#20th), so technically we actually got worse in the percentage of RZ trips resulting in a TD with Purdy. In 2021, we had a RZ TD % of nearly 65% (4th best).

That definitely could be true, but it's a small enough sample that it wouldn't take a ton of work to look into it situationally. Can at least separate rushing/passing attempts and 3rd down performance.

I mean, there are a ton of factors, so it isn't easy to come to any definitive conclusions either way. It's not a dramatic enough difference and like you said, it's a small sample size.

Like, we were one of the best teams in the league in terms of RZ scoring in 2021, but that's also the year that Deebo was a cheat code as a runner, so how much of that can be attributed to what he opened up? It's really difficult to separate QB play from the offense as a whole in the RZ.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

to me, the biggest difference between Brock and jimmy is that Brock consistently threw his guys open by dropping dimes. Jimmy doesn't do that too often. The pass to kittle for the two point conversion was a beauty

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Thanks. Question….Why are you doing inside the 10 though? RZ is inside the 20.

for me the biggest difference was Brock's ability to extend the play and look beyond the play call. One play I remember he scrambled around and found kittle back of the end zone. Great play. Turns out he missed his first read which wide open read on the play lol. Either way we scored, I bet kyle was a little bent out of shape still.

It was just the stat it opened up. Lol I just did the 20 and..

jimmy: 12 TDs to 1 INT, 4 sacks, 2 rushing touchdowns on 5 attempts (6 yards). 60.5% completion percentage

Brock: 4 touchdowns to 1 interception, 3 touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown, 67% completion Percentage. Sacked 3 times