QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Because (1) he's entertaining, and (2) he may not know much, but he sometimes gets people on his channel who do. Including sometimes former NFL coaches. THAT, of course, is the thing I'm most intrigued by: HOW does he every now and then get competent people on his YouTube channel? How did he get former NFL coaches, former NFL Europe players, QB gurus, and so on, to talk with him, when he's such a needling, annoying individual? Is it all his dad's connections?

Are you Cohn!? Lmao I'm onto you!

i will give him that. He does get some decent people on his channel from time to time. I don't think it's very difficult to get people on though when you have a decent sized following - just find people who agree with you or pay them, I have a lot of friends with channels who do that. His dad being who he is does give him juice though. If his dad was a no body or a different field, he wouldn't have nearly the following he does, IMO.

i just don't think he's a very informative personality. I wouldn't put him in nearly the same category as someone like David Lombardi - who's very informative and isn't all about his own preference or opinion. Lombardi educates more often than not and usually provides just the information, without a twist on it.

i think Cohn feeds off of controversy or pushing narratives on certain players. Some people like it, good for him/them. I just don't view him as someone you go to for information or to learn something - I see him as someone you go to him when he agrees with you to make people feel right, whether it's right or not. If I'm not mistaken, most players hate him. Lol

Like I said, it's the entertaining aspect that keeps me going back. Like these videos. Completely stupid and predictable, but I always chuckle. (about 30 seconds on these)

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
For all the folks posting things saying you can learn anything or develop anything at the QB position - Kyle himself said "either you have it or you don't" when it comes to certain mental aspects of playing qb. Lol I've been saying this for a while, there are aspects of playing qb at an elite level that can't be learned. I'm not saying Lance doesn't have it, but the argument that anytbing can be learned is false. A lot of things can be learned/developed but not everything, especially the mental side.

https://youtu.be/4hPRtJtEjds
start at 7:20 mark

I agree. Some mental things are talents. Like dynamic field vision (the ability to see the whole picture and anticipate). But where I think you're wrong is that Trey ISN'T without the mental tools needed to succeed at QB. He doesn't predetermine where he's going with the ball, and he can both process and anticipate. The issue for the 49ers is that while Trey has a competent level of talent there, Brock seems to have elite talent there.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Trey is better than Jimmy in some of those mental talents.

Same play, two different QB's. #49ers pic.twitter.com/IQIY8vfk7w

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) November 8, 2021

But Brock appears to be better at some of these things, and elite in some others, such as reflexes (which is both mental and physical). Brock's reaction time is off the charts. Trey's reaction time seems to not be the best.

I didn't say anything about Lance having or not having anything. I've posted numerous times that this post wasn't about Trey or Brock having/not having something. It's the argument that anyone can learn anything or if they work hard enough at it, they can be great at it.

I don't think that's true. Not everyone is created equal and everyone is wired different. There are somethings that either you have or you don't. This isn't a fairy world where everyone's built equally. Lol I'm not 6'10 260lbs of raw muscle like lebron. Most players don't have lebrons basketball IQ. It's just the reality of life and nothing wrong with it. Doesn't mean someone's dumb cause they don't have lebrons basketball IQ, just lebron is better.

No, I'm agreeing with your main thesis. Somethings really cannot be taught, or I guess, cannot be improved upon much. Where I disagree is the claim that Trey doesn't have the specific things related to playing QB. I think he does have at least average mental abilities related to the QB position, or at least a good junk of them. I just don't think he has elite mental traits.

It's already been leaked that his cognitive test (the one that Brock Purdy dominated on) was NOT actually bad, just not at Purdy's level.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167451-49ers-lance-scored-closer-brock-cognitive-suggested-co-founder/

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Because (1) he's entertaining, and (2) he may not know much, but he sometimes gets people on his channel who do. Including sometimes former NFL coaches. THAT, of course, is the thing I'm most intrigued by: HOW does he every now and then get competent people on his YouTube channel? How did he get former NFL coaches, former NFL Europe players, QB gurus, and so on, to talk with him, when he's such a needling, annoying individual? Is it all his dad's connections?

Are you Cohn!? Lmao I'm onto you!

i will give him that. He does get some decent people on his channel from time to time. I don't think it's very difficult to get people on though when you have a decent sized following - just find people who agree with you or pay them, I have a lot of friends with channels who do that. His dad being who he is does give him juice though. If his dad was a no body or a different field, he wouldn't have nearly the following he does, IMO.

i just don't think he's a very informative personality. I wouldn't put him in nearly the same category as someone like David Lombardi - who's very informative and isn't all about his own preference or opinion. Lombardi educates more often than not and usually provides just the information, without a twist on it.

i think Cohn feeds off of controversy or pushing narratives on certain players. Some people like it, good for him/them. I just don't view him as someone you go to for information or to learn something - I see him as someone you go to him when he agrees with you to make people feel right, whether it's right or not. If I'm not mistaken, most players hate him. Lol

Like I said, it's the entertaining aspect that keeps me going back. Like these videos. Completely stupid and predictable, but I always chuckle. (about 30 seconds on these)

No judgement, my man! You like what you like. I personally don't care for him but watch him from time to time.

im not one of those folks that thinks everyone has to agree with me or like what I like. As long as someone Isn't hurting anyone, idc what you do.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
No, I'm agreeing with your main thesis. Somethings really cannot be taught, or I guess, cannot be improved upon much. Where I disagree is the claim that Trey doesn't have the specific things related to playing QB. I think he does have at least average mental abilities related to the QB position, or at least a good junk of them. I just don't think he has elite mental traits.

It's already been leaked that his cognitive test (the one that Brock Purdy dominated on) was NOT actually bad, just not at Purdy's level.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167451-49ers-lance-scored-closer-brock-cognitive-suggested-co-founder/

Ah I see. Yeah, I wouldn't say he "doesn't" have certain things. I'd just argue that I don't feel like I have seen certain things that I believe makes a great qb, yet. I think the best way to measure what a player has or doesn't have, can be seen through film and not just tests. Since Trey hasn't played much, barely at all, he could have "it" but it hasn't come out yet. Lances finger injury has changed a lot for me when it comes to how I view his body of work and potential.

I'm critical of Trey but I do give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he has a lot to offer and just hasn't developed enough or played enough. I absolutely believe he should be in the league and will carve himself out a nice career out, I think the obstacles he's faced already in the nfl will just make him better and make him more mentally tough.

the reason I prefer Brock over Lance is more of a credit to Brock than it is a knock on lance - I actually don't look at it as a knock on lance at all, I just think what Purdy displayed was special and I'd like to see if it was real or not.

im pretty critical of all QBs until I see certain things, since lance hasn't played much, It just opens my mind up to more questions than answers. That's all.

im not one of those guys that looks for any mistakes Lance Makes when he plays so I can jump all over him. I genuinely root for him and hope he plays well. I think some of my criticism stems from the high expectations I had for him. When it comes to Brock, I had no expectations for him and he played well - which probably shifts some of my views.

18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

Im super curious what his arm strengthing program looks like and they time line overall on when he can do what.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

It's gonna be a progressive work up before he's "spinning it". tossing a football 3-5 yards is massively different then throwing with velocity on a 20 yard out route. I hope people realize this. His rehab/PT is very important and pushing anything so you can be ready by a certain day is a horrible way to tackle this type of injury.

I won't be shocked if he has days where he throws and days where he's not throwing at all (rest the UCL) they don't need flareups because he's overworking it. That will just push things back and all that work you did to get to that point is wasted. It's May not August. Baby steps and making sure it's done the right way is what is best for him and this team long-term.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

Originally posted by krizay:
So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

According to who? How long was Trey out before he could throw a football a couple feet? Nothing has changed in the timeline of Brock's recovery. Unless there was a setback, he was gonna "throw" after 3 months. How he actually throws a ball in 11 on 11, make those higher end velocity throws, and with pressure in his face is what we should be keeping an eye on.

bad attempt to s**t on Lance my dude.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

Lol

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Lol

Really is amazing there are actual people so married to the idea of a young 9ers player failing that they troll every thread.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

ya that is interesting, could be related to age or lack of game experience

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was SO excited to read that Purdy is going through all the drills with a towel instead of a football. That's really good news. I had been preparing myself for Purdy starting sometime after the start of the season at the earliest. It is legit starting to look like maybe he can get the whole season in, which of course would be fantastic.

Yes! I've been optimistic he will start week 1 and be 100%, because week 1 is exactly 6 months from his surgery date. It just left no room for error. He has the benefit of a healthy UCL tissue (per the surgeon) and is young, so I've been much more optimistic than guys like big Ben who was like 14 years deep into his career when he had the surgery.

im just really curious if his ability to throw a towel at this point means he's right on schedule or a little ahead. I'm hoping a little ahead.

I missed this piece of news from Matt Barrows. (Sorry if its a repost). This piece of news really makes me optimistic that Brock will be ready for the start of the season. In fact, his arm could conceivably get better. Sports science is advancing every year.

Thorson's arm strength is newsworthy considering he suffered an elbow injury nearly a year ago while playing for the USFL's Houston Gamblers — in a game against the Philadelphia Stars — and had the same 'internal brace' procedure that Brock Purdy had in March. Thorson did not appear to be hindered in Friday's session." This is excellent news for Purdy and the 49ers, especially if Purdy can recover as Thorson has. Same injury. Same surgery. Same city (ironically). And Thorson is throwing the ball well.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169021-biggest-news-49ers-rookie-minicamp/

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
18 days until he starts spinning the ball again

So it will take less time for his UCL injury than it took Trey's finger to heal? interesting.

ya that is interesting, could be related to age or lack of game experience

I think its more of that lances finger healed, just healed incorrectly. Which impacted his grip and ability to fully bend his finger.

im still trying to figure out when/if he knew that it didn't heal right and what the process was to fix it. My assumption is he knew something was wrong but didn't want to miss any time and thought he could power through it. Which I get that, hindsight is 20/20 but I could understand him doing that.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was SO excited to read that Purdy is going through all the drills with a towel instead of a football. That's really good news. I had been preparing myself for Purdy starting sometime after the start of the season at the earliest. It is legit starting to look like maybe he can get the whole season in, which of course would be fantastic.

Yes! I've been optimistic he will start week 1 and be 100%, because week 1 is exactly 6 months from his surgery date. It just left no room for error. He has the benefit of a healthy UCL tissue (per the surgeon) and is young, so I've been much more optimistic than guys like big Ben who was like 14 years deep into his career when he had the surgery.

im just really curious if his ability to throw a towel at this point means he's right on schedule or a little ahead. I'm hoping a little ahead.

I missed this piece of news from Matt Barrows. (Sorry if its a repost). This piece of news really makes me optimistic that Brock will be ready for the start of the season. In fact, his arm could conceivably get better. Sports science is advancing every year.

Thorson's arm strength is newsworthy considering he suffered an elbow injury nearly a year ago while playing for the USFL's Houston Gamblers — in a game against the Philadelphia Stars — and had the same 'internal brace' procedure that Brock Purdy had in March. Thorson did not appear to be hindered in Friday's session." This is excellent news for Purdy and the 49ers, especially if Purdy can recover as Thorson has. Same injury. Same surgery. Same city (ironically). And Thorson is throwing the ball well.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169021-biggest-news-49ers-rookie-minicamp/

That's awesome. I didn't know that. Very exciting!

i just want him to be ready for the season and to be able to compete with Trey. So we can get an idea of who's improving and all that. It would be a better analysis if both Lance and Purdy are out there taking reps and hopefully can figure out who's improving.