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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

People have really taken sides for zero reason other than human tribalism as usual. For the same reason I wanted Jimmy gone (saw multiple seasons of mediocrity) is why I can't bash or glorify Purdy or Lance. We need more data. I just hope Purdy comes back 100% because he looked fantastic.

if I had to guess he missed the first few games. With this team it should t be a season killer.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

Anybody else needs to see Brock prove it to them. Kyle needs to see Brock prove he Can't do it at this point to even Think of letting him go. The gulf between the two in huge. There can't be any trade.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

We are getting ahead of ourselves. Brock has to return from the injury first and foremost. Will he be the same (physically and mentally)? No one can be sure (although he is young which gives him better odds for the physical part.

The other question is that, he played less than half the season. Will defenses adjust and find a hitch in his game.

Is he a one hit wonder (Foles, Kap)?

Will Lance or or Sam Carpe diem? Will the niners draft a QB?

Brock did increase arm strength and velocity after the college off season and before the draft when he went to this training that helped with that with special exercises. Still he is far from that. He has to get his arm rehabbed then conditioned before working on strengthening his arm. Not to mention getting his reps with the WRs
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

Anybody else needs to see Brock prove it to them. Kyle needs to see Brock prove he Can't do it at this point to even Think of letting him go. The gulf between the two in huge. There can't be any trade.

Agreed. They have there 3 qb. Maybe even draft another one. I can't see them trading anyone unless they get a huge offer for Lance which I can't see happening.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

Anybody else needs to see Brock prove it to them. Kyle needs to see Brock prove he Can't do it at this point to even Think of letting him go. The gulf between the two in huge. There can't be any trade.

Agreed. They have there 3 qb. Maybe even draft another one. I can't see them trading anyone unless they get a huge offer for Lance which I can't see happening.

That's the great thing about Brock, we KNOW he can do it, now it's just a matter of sustaining it. The problem with Lance/Darnold is we don't know if they're capable of playing at a high level in the nfl.

i think if Brock looks good approx june 2 and can get into camp before the season starts, then I think it's likely Lance gets traded before the season (depending on an offer). Having all three would be good too. We all know injuries can't be a B.

any updates yet on the off season program starting?
SIX Brock Purdy headlines on the home page alone. Gotta be some kind of record.

Seventh Headline: "Brock Purdy Passes Gas" trending in 3-2-1...
[ Edited by billbird2111 on Apr 17, 2023 at 3:39 PM ]
Originally posted by billbird2111:
SIX Brock Purdy headlines on the home page alone. Gotta be some kind of record.

Seventh Headline: "Brock Purdy Passes Gas" trending in 3-2-1...

Well he has been doing sponsorship for Buffalo Wild Wings 😶😶 hahahah
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

The 49ers gave up 3 for a guy with zero games played.
Originally posted by WildBill:
We are getting ahead of ourselves. Brock has to return from the injury first and foremost. Will he be the same (physically and mentally)? No one can be sure (although he is young which gives him better odds for the physical part.

The other question is that, he played less than half the season. Will defenses adjust and find a hitch in his game.

Is he a one hit wonder (Foles, Kap)?

Will Lance or or Sam Carpe diem? Will the niners draft a QB?

Brock did increase arm strength and velocity after the college off season and before the draft when he went to this training that helped with that with special exercises. Still he is far from that. He has to get his arm rehabbed then conditioned before working on strengthening his arm. Not to mention getting his reps with the WRs

Nick Foles went 1-6 with a 79 passer rating as a rookie.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It isn't the wishful thinking that's the problem. It's a the LUDICROUS notion that Brock isn't worth MULTIPLE first round picks, let alone not even one.

I don't think that's a ludicrous notion. Every team scouted him as a udfa a year ago. He played at an extreme high level for short duration, on a loaded team. His throw arm is now jacked. I think many teams wouldn't even touch, thanks to the injury question, let alone part with a first, let alone part with multiple ones. The injury needs clarity.

Honestly, other than the injury, that same attitude is why people thought Mahomes would be a third round project: people don't trust their eyes. It's not like his success was because no one had ever seen the zone-read before. He had success playing standard QB. Worst case scenario he'll be an average starter, and a starting QB who has played at least half a season is worth at least a one. Let alone a guy who played at a very high level for basically half a season.

He had the same team as Jimmy and outplayed him. Jimmy, who we got for a second after two games of play. And Brock does not have the weakness Jimmy does (mediocre vision and improvisation).

Not to mention, his value to the 49ers. He is why Jimmy was let go. There is not a chance the 49ers will embrace uncertainty at the position without at least two firsts.

Brock is at minimum worth a one, and given the 49ers situation without him (uncertainty as t the QB position), he's going nowhere without two firsts round picks at minimum.

BROCK has only played 7 games? as much as he played very well, there is no way you can say he's better than Grappy already..

I knew Mahomes was better than Jimmy before he was drafted, so yeah, I can. Brock stepped into the same team and that same team produced ten more points per game. Moreover, one of the main reasons why the team scored more points is because Purdy repeatedly saw people open that Jimmy never would have even looked at.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

The 49ers are not trading Brock for anything less than two first round picks. What the 49ers are willing to accept is what the market value is. They are NOT accepting two second round picks for Purdy, and everyone knows it, therefore the article is stupid.

As for how Brock was scouted, first of all, as I said before, scouts make mistakes. Most notably, in college it is very hard to be certain about a QB with the exception of his physical tools. The other stuff is harder to see because the college game is so spread out.

Second, Brock may have simply gotten better. Remember, after his first year starting in college, there was buzz that he might be im the discussion for the first round when he became eligible. Then he regressed somewhat—especially after his second year. A lot of that was bad decision making. Trying to do too much. Things coaching can actually fix.

He fell off the raidar due to that stagnation. And while he at times showed everything he's done so far in the NFL, none of that changes the fact that he is not particularly physically gifted. And, as I pointed out, he didn't show much improvement after the early part of his college career, so scouts wrote him off.

Hence, the scouts were simply wrong. To this very day they undervalue the wrong things, like how quickly a QB makes a decision and throws while under durress, and dramatically overvalue things that don't matter much, like how pretty the QB is standing strong in a clean pocket and throwing a nicely timed deep pass, with a nice overhanded throw with picturesque mechanics. They get mesmerized by a guy with two feet on the ground looking like a "How to throw" tutorial and neglect the fact that in the real NFL speed of processing and being able to accurately fire off-plattorm from the hip—and more importantly, knowing WHEN to do so—is significantly more important.

The guy with weird mechanics who can VARY his release point and speed, who can tighten up and remain accurate when he needs to, is a lot better than the guy with a beautiful throwing motion who can throw dimes but takes a sack instead of being like water and making the right play in compressed chaos.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

People have really taken sides for zero reason other than human tribalism as usual. For the same reason I wanted Jimmy gone (saw multiple seasons of mediocrity) is why I can't bash or glorify Purdy or Lance. We need more data. I just hope Purdy comes back 100% because he looked fantastic.

if I had to guess he missed the first few games. With this team it should t be a season killer.

There is a third camp. You can join us if you want. It's the "No matter what happens we're going to have a good QB camp." If neither Trey or Sam steps up, well, we still have Brock. If either Trey or Sam become the guy, then they have dramatically improved and we're set at QB. It's the win-win camp.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Apr 17, 2023 at 5:15 PM ]
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then those GMs are dumb, because the team scored ten more points a game with him than they did with Jimmy. Sometimes scouts are just wrong. It happens frequently. Every single year everyone misses on at least one QB. Because what makes a great QB outside of arm talent so far has not been quantized very well (these new cognitive tests maybe changing that).

Dude it's 7 games. You're talking about giving up 1st rd picks for that. GMs aren't gonna magically change all their scouting on how they evaluated a guy over that…I think Brock is for sure better than where he went. Do I think he's a multiple 1st rd QB worth trading for? No. Not yet.

The 49ers are not trading Brock for anything less than two first round picks. What the 49ers are willing to accept is what the market value is. They are NOT accepting two second round picks for Purdy, and everyone knows it, therefore the article is stupid.

As for how Brock was scouted, first of all, as I said before, scouts make mistakes. Most notably, in college it is very hard to be certain about a QB with the exception of his physical tools. The other stuff is harder to see because the college game is so spread out.

Second, Brock may have simply gotten better. Remember, after his first year starting in college, there was buzz that he might be im the discussion for the first round when he became eligible. Then he regressed somewhat—especially after his second year. A lot of that was bad decision making. Trying to do too much. Things coaching can actually fix.

He fell off the raidar due to that stagnation. And while he at times showed everything he's done so far in the NFL, none of that changes the fact that he is not particularly physically gifted. And, as I pointed out, he didn't show much improvement after the early part of his college career, so scouts wrote him off.

Hence, the scouts were simply wrong. To this very day they undervalue the wrong things, like how quickly a QB makes a decision and throws while under durress, and dramatically overvalue things that don't matter much, like how pretty the QB is standing strong in a clean pocket and throwing a nicely timed deep pass, with a nice overhanded throw with picturesque mechanics. They get mesmerized by a guy with two feet on the ground looking like a "How to throw" tutorial and neglect the fact that in the real NFL speed of processing and being able to accurately fire off-plattorm from the hip—and more importantly, knowing WHEN to do so—is significantly more important.

The guy with weird mechanics who can VARY his release point and speed, who can tighten up and remain accurate when he needs to, is a lot better than the guy with a beautiful throwing motion who can throw dimes but takes a sack instead of being like water and making the right play in compressed chaos.

Scouts are wrong sometimes, like with Brady and now Brock.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
SIX Brock Purdy headlines on the home page alone. Gotta be some kind of record.

Seventh Headline: "Brock Purdy Passes Gas" trending in 3-2-1...

BCB is smokin now, roll with it and be happy for the next 10 years
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