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Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

0% chance he stays
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

It wouldn't be the first time it has been done. Anyway, none of us know exactly how good Lance looks right now. If he is developing well then it won't matter what happened this year. I like Garoppolo as a player but it really is not as though the team has ridden on his back thus far.

As regards to the cap, I also disagree. We parted company with Buckner because of the cap. We have a number of excellent young players coming up towards being paid. Your comment is just wishful thinking.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

It wouldn't be the first time it has been done. Anyway, none of us know exactly how good Lance looks right now. If he is developing well then it won't matter what happened this year. I like Garoppolo as a player but it really is not as though the team has ridden on his back thus far.

As regards to the cap, I also disagree. We parted company with Buckner because of the cap. We have a number of excellent young players coming up towards being paid. Your comment is just wishful thinking.

Correct, we parted ways with Buckner to re-sign Kittle, Armstead, & Ward to multi-year deals, at the time it looked like a bad call, now it looks like a great one, with Armstead & Ward stepping up, and Kittle doing what he does, Kittle things lol. Plus we got the 13th pick, ended up with Kinlaw, jury is out, but we got what a 4th from TB to move back 1 spot or a 5th? We used that to move from 31 to 25 I think to get Aiyuk, so really it was Buckner for Kittle, Armstead, Ward, Kinlaw, & Aiyuk, I'll take that haul any & every day of the week, and I love Buck, and miss him.
Also need to note that without moving on from Buckner, we wouldn't have been able to afford Trent Williams, especially long term.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Nick Foles. With his track record backing up ND State QBs

I'd be okay with Foles, or even Dalton or Keenum.

When we're talking veteran QB's... Are we talking guys that will know the offense and can help Trey navigate being a starter with their veteran presence?

Or are we talking about guys who play similar to Trey and are an insurance policy?

I mean, ideally, we find a backup who can do both... But there's a difference between Nick Foles and Cam Newton.

Teddy Bridgewater...Tyrod Taylor....Josh Johnson. In that order. You would think Nick Foles is done, but if he's not...then ya bring him in.

We can also add a recently retired QB to the coaching staff, if need be...if we need that kind of QB presence around Trey.
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

0% chance he stays

Yeah I don't know why people are doing this to themselves. I like Jimmy and I'm rockin with him for as long as he's our starter but the writings on the wall. The draft capital that was invested to get Trey is enough by itself to move on and that's not even taking into account the salary cap stuff.
Good thing we don't have a boatload of free agents at the end of this season to try to bring back...
Originally posted by genus49:
Good thing we don't have a boatload of free agents at the end of this season to try to bring back...

Ya. This is why I'm also a bit skeptical if we can go after a top CB in FA. A lot of guys to resign, and who knows what Deebo is gonna get paid.
Originally posted by genus49:
Good thing we don't have a boatload of free agents at the end of this season to try to bring back...

You still can't ever have to much cap space. You never know who is going to get injured early in the season and need to be replaced. What if Bosa or Deebo got hurt in camp and were lost for the season. The Niners would be in the market for a top free agent or try and make a trade. They might need that extra money. Look how many free agents were signed and how many trades were made in mid season around the league. You want to be in position to make those deals if they arise. Plus you can roll over money into the next season.
[ Edited by CatchMaster80 on Jan 28, 2022 at 8:27 AM ]
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

0% chance he stays

Link?

y'all been saying this since November 2020
No way they keep Jimmy, there was too much invested in Trey to keep Jimmy.

It's either Trey or Rodgers.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Good thing we don't have a boatload of free agents at the end of this season to try to bring back...

Ya. This is why I'm also a bit skeptical if we can go after a top CB in FA. A lot of guys to resign, and who knows what Deebo is gonna get paid.

And not the 2022 season BUT the 2023 season the cap is sure to rock the foundation. This is when the new TV, streaming and betting revenue comes into play. As much as we might think we are in pretty good shape this next season it's really 2023 we should be sitting pretty.

Last weeks playoff games saw an increase of 21 percent year over year in viewership. Trey is coming at the most opportune time. Not only do we get a reprieve on the large Jimmy cap but money will start flowing in like gold at the end of the rainbow over the next two years.

Hopefully an Elite QB in Trey for that 2023 season, signed Bosa and D man and WAY more than enough to buy a revamped secondary and another elite WR.

I think it won't be until the 2023 season we are going to say crap, this is why we made a change at the position. I do not think this offense will be what it is now as much as everyone says Kyle is locked in his play calling and style. The NFC is massively missing a touch of the AFC on offense. I think it's coming here within two years.
[ Edited by 9erson3 on Jan 28, 2022 at 8:39 AM ]
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

It wouldn't be the first time it has been done. Anyway, none of us know exactly how good Lance looks right now. If he is developing well then it won't matter what happened this year. I like Garoppolo as a player but it really is not as though the team has ridden on his back thus far.

As regards to the cap, I also disagree. We parted company with Buckner because of the cap. We have a number of excellent young players coming up towards being paid. Your comment is just wishful thinking.
With respect to your comment, I disagree to your disagreement lol. Jimmy G is a HUGE part of the equation as to why the Niners are where they are. Does Jimmy throw bad interceptions, yes. Have they cost us a game or two, also yes. BUT, when our backs have been against the wall, particularly this year, he has come through with clutch throws and conversions to win games. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking of the Bengals game, Rams season ender, Packers regular season game (even though we lost, that wasn't on Jimmy cause he did his part), Packers playoff game.

Also, look at all the players coming to Jimmy's defense. People talk about how Jimmy needs to go so we can resign these good players to new contracts. Signing players is a two way street. They have to want to come back in order to resign. If Jimmy wins the Super Bowl this year, and we move off of him, what message does that send to these potential free agents and our locker room?? You just led us to the ultimate trophy in our sport, our ultimate goal WHILE INJURED, but it's time we go our separate ways. Good luck in your future endeavors. That tells me you are replaceable at the drop of a dime despite putting your body on the line every game gutting through injuries. Now why would you resign with a team like that when you can go to another team with more money to offer who could just as easily get to the Super Bowl next year.
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

It wouldn't be the first time it has been done. Anyway, none of us know exactly how good Lance looks right now. If he is developing well then it won't matter what happened this year. I like Garoppolo as a player but it really is not as though the team has ridden on his back thus far.

As regards to the cap, I also disagree. We parted company with Buckner because of the cap. We have a number of excellent young players coming up towards being paid. Your comment is just wishful thinking.
With respect to your comment, I disagree to your disagreement lol. Jimmy G is a HUGE part of the equation as to why the Niners are where they are. Does Jimmy throw bad interceptions, yes. Have they cost us a game or two, also yes. BUT, when our backs have been against the wall, particularly this year, he has come through with clutch throws and conversions to win games. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking of the Bengals game, Rams season ender, Packers regular season game (even though we lost, that wasn't on Jimmy cause he did his part), Packers playoff game.

Also, look at all the players coming to Jimmy's defense. People talk about how Jimmy needs to go so we can resign these good players to new contracts. Signing players is a two way street. They have to want to come back in order to resign. If Jimmy wins the Super Bowl this year, and we move off of him, what message does that send to these potential free agents and our locker room?? You just led us to the ultimate trophy in our sport, our ultimate goal WHILE INJURED, but it's time we go our separate ways. Good luck in your future endeavors. That tells me you are replaceable at the drop of a dime despite putting your body on the line every game gutting through injuries. Now why would you resign with a team like that when you can go to another team with more money to offer who could just as easily get to the Super Bowl next year.

Welcome to the NFL.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
If the Niners win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, there is a 0% chance they move off of him. The ultimate goal is to win Super Bowls. You don't just discard a QB who took your team to 2 Super Bowls in the past 3 years, YOU JUST DON'T. Look how long it took the 49ers to find a good quarterback after they moved off of Jeff Garcia…

If this offseason proved anything, it's that the salary cap is essentially non existent. The fact that the Chiefs nearly signed Trent Williams in spite of all their big money players, confirms this.

It wouldn't be the first time it has been done. Anyway, none of us know exactly how good Lance looks right now. If he is developing well then it won't matter what happened this year. I like Garoppolo as a player but it really is not as though the team has ridden on his back thus far.

As regards to the cap, I also disagree. We parted company with Buckner because of the cap. We have a number of excellent young players coming up towards being paid. Your comment is just wishful thinking.
With respect to your comment, I disagree to your disagreement lol. Jimmy G is a HUGE part of the equation as to why the Niners are where they are. Does Jimmy throw bad interceptions, yes. Have they cost us a game or two, also yes. BUT, when our backs have been against the wall, particularly this year, he has come through with clutch throws and conversions to win games. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking of the Bengals game, Rams season ender, Packers regular season game (even though we lost, that wasn't on Jimmy cause he did his part), Packers playoff game.

Also, look at all the players coming to Jimmy's defense. People talk about how Jimmy needs to go so we can resign these good players to new contracts. Signing players is a two way street. They have to want to come back in order to resign. If Jimmy wins the Super Bowl this year, and we move off of him, what message does that send to these potential free agents and our locker room?? You just led us to the ultimate trophy in our sport, our ultimate goal WHILE INJURED, but it's time we go our separate ways. Good luck in your future endeavors. That tells me you are replaceable at the drop of a dime despite putting your body on the line every game gutting through injuries. Now why would you resign with a team like that when you can go to another team with more money to offer who could just as easily get to the Super Bowl next year.

Welcome to the NFL.

Only once has a team moved on from a QB after winning the super bowl. It's not a cut & dry situation as some would like it to be
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